Re: [ha-Safran] ALA resolution boycotting companies working with IDF
I agree with Evelyn's suggestion of supporting Oren Weinberg's letter. And with her statement that the draft document does not represent my views, nor at least some other members of AJL. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Evelyn Ehrlich evelyn.ehrl...@nyu.edu wrote: Colleagues, I respectfully would like to propose that AJL go on record in support of Oren Weinberg's letter of opposition to the proposed ALA resolutions. The line of argument expressed therein presumably can be supported by every AJL member without reservations, while the draft document in its current form is too divisive and does not represent the collective opinions of the AJL membership. Evelyn On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Sara Lesley Arnold sara.arnol...@gmail.com wrote: Although I think this fact sheet has many well-crafted points that I agree with, I hope that elements of it are de-politicized if it will be submitted on our behalf. I will be writing myself, but do think the element regarding the two-state solution is not only superfluous to our argument but detracts from the positive points otherwise set forth. Is this document to be submitted from AJL on its members behalf in addition to our individual emails? Sara Lesley Arnold Library Director Nancy Mae Shaines Memorial Library Temple Israel 200 State St. Portsmouth, NH 03801 LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/profile/public-profile-settings?trk=prof-edit-edit-public_profile On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Elliot Gertel eger...@umich.edu wrote: As long as you can include space in your honest discussion for those who do not agree that there is an occupation when no agreement between the parties on boundaries has ever been reached. The technical term in this case, and Israel is far from the only place in the world--there are dozens, maybe over a hundred--that has border disputes. I also don't think this is the issue here: it is the constant singling out of Israel for sanctions and opprobrium while much greater offenses and oppression are totally ignored by the same people that draft such resolutions. And, these same folks would love to see those who oppose them arguing, an example of divide and conquer. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:51 PM, HM Elnathan d...@elnathan.me wrote: Yaffa, I understand your need to have your text approved but may I suggest that it is inaccurate, ineffective, and inelegant. Moreover, I don't think the AJL should submit anything to the ALA council that has the misused signaling in its text. In this case, as in many others, less will be more -- calling out others' misdeeds, short of those committed by the ALA or indeed the USA, is a descent to the realm of unreasonableness and does not constitute good debate. All that is truly pertinent is that the ALA has no mandate to politicize its resolutions, especially when those fly in the face of the ALA's own Code of Ethics and otherwise accepted guidelines on intellectual freedom. I would also like to second Clare Kinberg's call to have an honest discussion regarding the occupation of another people which is an ongoing and unacceptable violation of human rights. Respectfully, Dasi das...@alumni.usc.edu On Wednesday28Jan2015, at 9:29, Weisman, Yaffa yweis...@huc.edu wrote: Hi all, First, I am encouraged by the outpour of support from AJL members, mostly unfamiliar to me, who stepped out of the shadows and made helpful suggestions. This is incredible, and I only regret having to spend so much energy on responding to bullies and detractors, instead of investing in programs. Second, I think it's time to stop perfecting the document - I put it together in a short time, incorporated some earlier amendments, and now I say, Dayeinu. Let's focus on reaching out to our allies at ALA and to its officers, as well as to friends outside ALA who can give us some good points. So to all of you who plan to attend the ALA Council meeting - thanks for putting yourselves in the line of fire. Sometimes just showing up is enough, sometimes pushing back is necessary. And finally, to all of you who responded with support and suggestions - I hope you plan to attend our conference in DC this year. If you do, please grab my proverbial buttohole and introduce yourselves. I can't wait to meet you thank you Dr. Yaffa Weisman, President AJL -- *From:* Elliot Gertel [eger...@umich.edu] *Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:00 AM *To:* Beth Dwoskin *Cc:* Weisman, Yaffa; Emily Bergman; sseid...@northwestern.edu; hasaf...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu *Subject:* Re: [ha-Safran] FW: ALA resolution boycotting companies working with IDF Yaffa, Do you approve of Beth's suggested edits. They seem reasonable to me. Thanks, Beth, Yaffa, and all who have made constructive suggestions in thsi discussion. Elliot Elliot H. Gertel Irving M. Hermelin Curator of Judaica Curator (Interim), Jewish Heritage Collection
Re: [ha-Safran] ALA resolution boycotting companies working with IDF
As long as you can include space in your honest discussion for those who do not agree that there is an occupation when no agreement between the parties on boundaries has ever been reached. The technical term in this case, and Israel is far from the only place in the world--there are dozens, maybe over a hundred--that has border disputes. I also don't think this is the issue here: it is the constant singling out of Israel for sanctions and opprobrium while much greater offenses and oppression are totally ignored by the same people that draft such resolutions. And, these same folks would love to see those who oppose them arguing, an example of divide and conquer. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:51 PM, HM Elnathan d...@elnathan.me wrote: Yaffa, I understand your need to have your text approved but may I suggest that it is inaccurate, ineffective, and inelegant. Moreover, I don't think the AJL should submit anything to the ALA council that has the misused signaling in its text. In this case, as in many others, less will be more -- calling out others' misdeeds, short of those committed by the ALA or indeed the USA, is a descent to the realm of unreasonableness and does not constitute good debate. All that is truly pertinent is that the ALA has no mandate to politicize its resolutions, especially when those fly in the face of the ALA's own Code of Ethics and otherwise accepted guidelines on intellectual freedom. I would also like to second Clare Kinberg's call to have an honest discussion regarding the occupation of another people which is an ongoing and unacceptable violation of human rights. Respectfully, Dasi das...@alumni.usc.edu On Wednesday28Jan2015, at 9:29, Weisman, Yaffa yweis...@huc.edu wrote: Hi all, First, I am encouraged by the outpour of support from AJL members, mostly unfamiliar to me, who stepped out of the shadows and made helpful suggestions. This is incredible, and I only regret having to spend so much energy on responding to bullies and detractors, instead of investing in programs. Second, I think it's time to stop perfecting the document - I put it together in a short time, incorporated some earlier amendments, and now I say, Dayeinu. Let's focus on reaching out to our allies at ALA and to its officers, as well as to friends outside ALA who can give us some good points. So to all of you who plan to attend the ALA Council meeting - thanks for putting yourselves in the line of fire. Sometimes just showing up is enough, sometimes pushing back is necessary. And finally, to all of you who responded with support and suggestions - I hope you plan to attend our conference in DC this year. If you do, please grab my proverbial buttohole and introduce yourselves. I can't wait to meet you thank you Dr. Yaffa Weisman, President AJL -- *From:* Elliot Gertel [eger...@umich.edu] *Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:00 AM *To:* Beth Dwoskin *Cc:* Weisman, Yaffa; Emily Bergman; sseid...@northwestern.edu; hasaf...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu *Subject:* Re: [ha-Safran] FW: ALA resolution boycotting companies working with IDF Yaffa, Do you approve of Beth's suggested edits. They seem reasonable to me. Thanks, Beth, Yaffa, and all who have made constructive suggestions in thsi discussion. Elliot Elliot H. Gertel Irving M. Hermelin Curator of Judaica Curator (Interim), Jewish Heritage Collection The University of Michigan Area Programs 111-C Hatcher Graduate Library North Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1190 Phone: 734-936-2367 eger...@umich.edu On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Beth Dwoskin bdwos...@yahoo.com wrote: *I respectfully submit the following slight edits (in red):* The Association of Jewish Libraries is an international professional organization that fosters access to information and research in all forms of media relating to all things Jewish. The Association promotes Jewish literacy and scholarship and provides a community for peer support and professional development. The AJL is an affiliate of ALA and stands firm in its opposition to any attempt to politicize the ALA through bigoted and hateful targeting of the State of Israel and its citizens, as well as opposing veiled threats against any American company doing business in Israel. The AJL also condemns the blatant censorship exercised by the Council by scheduling this meeting on the Jewish Sabbath, thus effectively denying the rights of observant Jewish members of ALA to participate in this discussion. The AJL believes that the mantle of broad social responsibilities, is crucial to the spirit of ALA, and therefore should be applied responsibly and equally to address issues such as religious freedom, genocide, terrorism, and denial of equal rights and free speech to women and LGBT citizens. Please note, the latter denial mentioned is the case in many if not most Arab countries, *BUT NOT IN THE DEMOCRATIC STATE OF ISRAEL
Re: [ha-Safran] ALA resolution boycotting companies working with IDF
Although I think this fact sheet has many well-crafted points that I agree with, I hope that elements of it are de-politicized if it will be submitted on our behalf. I will be writing myself, but do think the element regarding the two-state solution is not only superfluous to our argument but detracts from the positive points otherwise set forth. Is this document to be submitted from AJL on its members behalf in addition to our individual emails? Sara Lesley Arnold Library Director Nancy Mae Shaines Memorial Library Temple Israel 200 State St. Portsmouth, NH 03801 LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/profile/public-profile-settings?trk=prof-edit-edit-public_profile On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Elliot Gertel eger...@umich.edu wrote: As long as you can include space in your honest discussion for those who do not agree that there is an occupation when no agreement between the parties on boundaries has ever been reached. The technical term in this case, and Israel is far from the only place in the world--there are dozens, maybe over a hundred--that has border disputes. I also don't think this is the issue here: it is the constant singling out of Israel for sanctions and opprobrium while much greater offenses and oppression are totally ignored by the same people that draft such resolutions. And, these same folks would love to see those who oppose them arguing, an example of divide and conquer. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:51 PM, HM Elnathan d...@elnathan.me wrote: Yaffa, I understand your need to have your text approved but may I suggest that it is inaccurate, ineffective, and inelegant. Moreover, I don't think the AJL should submit anything to the ALA council that has the misused signaling in its text. In this case, as in many others, less will be more -- calling out others' misdeeds, short of those committed by the ALA or indeed the USA, is a descent to the realm of unreasonableness and does not constitute good debate. All that is truly pertinent is that the ALA has no mandate to politicize its resolutions, especially when those fly in the face of the ALA's own Code of Ethics and otherwise accepted guidelines on intellectual freedom. I would also like to second Clare Kinberg's call to have an honest discussion regarding the occupation of another people which is an ongoing and unacceptable violation of human rights. Respectfully, Dasi das...@alumni.usc.edu On Wednesday28Jan2015, at 9:29, Weisman, Yaffa yweis...@huc.edu wrote: Hi all, First, I am encouraged by the outpour of support from AJL members, mostly unfamiliar to me, who stepped out of the shadows and made helpful suggestions. This is incredible, and I only regret having to spend so much energy on responding to bullies and detractors, instead of investing in programs. Second, I think it's time to stop perfecting the document - I put it together in a short time, incorporated some earlier amendments, and now I say, Dayeinu. Let's focus on reaching out to our allies at ALA and to its officers, as well as to friends outside ALA who can give us some good points. So to all of you who plan to attend the ALA Council meeting - thanks for putting yourselves in the line of fire. Sometimes just showing up is enough, sometimes pushing back is necessary. And finally, to all of you who responded with support and suggestions - I hope you plan to attend our conference in DC this year. If you do, please grab my proverbial buttohole and introduce yourselves. I can't wait to meet you thank you Dr. Yaffa Weisman, President AJL -- *From:* Elliot Gertel [eger...@umich.edu] *Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:00 AM *To:* Beth Dwoskin *Cc:* Weisman, Yaffa; Emily Bergman; sseid...@northwestern.edu; hasaf...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu *Subject:* Re: [ha-Safran] FW: ALA resolution boycotting companies working with IDF Yaffa, Do you approve of Beth's suggested edits. They seem reasonable to me. Thanks, Beth, Yaffa, and all who have made constructive suggestions in thsi discussion. Elliot Elliot H. Gertel Irving M. Hermelin Curator of Judaica Curator (Interim), Jewish Heritage Collection The University of Michigan Area Programs 111-C Hatcher Graduate Library North Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1190 Phone: 734-936-2367 eger...@umich.edu On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Beth Dwoskin bdwos...@yahoo.com wrote: *I respectfully submit the following slight edits (in red):* The Association of Jewish Libraries is an international professional organization that fosters access to information and research in all forms of media relating to all things Jewish. The Association promotes Jewish literacy and scholarship and provides a community for peer support and professional development. The AJL is an affiliate of ALA and stands firm in its opposition to any attempt to politicize the ALA through bigoted and hateful targeting of the State of Israel and its citizens
