Re: [Haskell] Re: ANNOUNCE: GHC version 6.10.3
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:05:33PM +0100, Simon Marlow wrote: I think the rest could be solved by adding a note on the Windows section of the download page to the effect that This installer will not overwrite previous installed versions of GHC, with the exception that the default handler for .lhs and .hs files will point to the latest installed version. Ian, would you like to add this to the download page? Done. Thanks Ian ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: [Haskell] Re: ANNOUNCE: GHC version 6.10.3
On 15/05/2009 12:19, Benjamin L.Russell wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:16:13 +0100, Simon Marlowmarlo...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/05/2009 05:52, Benjamin L.Russell wrote: What happened to the Windows installation section in the corresponding User's Guide? The User's Guide for GHC version 6.10.2 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/index.html) had section 2.2: Installing on Windows (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/install-windows.html#winfaq), but this section seems to be missing in the corresponding document for version 6.10.3 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/index.html). Not only that, but the entire chapter 2: Installing GHC seems to be missing. The Installing GHC section was mostly out-of-date and wrong, so I removed it. Some of the material, such as the section on the layout of the tree, has been updated and moved to the GHC Building Guide, here http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building We also have lots of information on the GHC web site about obtaining and installing GHC, so if we need anything else I think that would be the best place to put it. Ah, I see. I just checked out that section, but although it includes information about building GHC, it doesn't seem to include information about simply installing GHC using a binary. This could become an issue if a new user unfamiliar with the installation suddenly decides to upgrade; it is unclear without that documentation whether it is necessary to uninstall the previous version first. More specifically, section 2.2.2 Moving GHC Around indicates that the entire GHC tree can be freely moved around just by copying the c:/ghc/ghc-version directory (although it is necessary to fix up the links in 'Start/All Programs/GHC/ghc-version' if this is done); however, this information is not evident from the information provided by the Windows installer. This information initially led me to conclude that uninstalling the previous version wasn't necessary to upgrade; without this information, a new user may not be able to determine whether uninstalling a previous version is necessary to upgrade, and could make upgrading more confusing. I've added a section Relocating a GHC installation to the wiki: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building/Installing#RelocatingaGHCinstallation I think the rest could be solved by adding a note on the Windows section of the download page to the effect that This installer will not overwrite previous installed versions of GHC, with the exception that the default handler for .lhs and .hs files will point to the latest installed version. Ian, would you like to add this to the download page? Cheers, Simon ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: [Haskell] Re: ANNOUNCE: GHC version 6.10.3
More specifically, section 2.2.2 Moving GHC Around indicates that the entire GHC tree can be freely moved around just by copying the c:/ghc/ghc-version directory (although it is necessary to fix up the links in 'Start/All Programs/GHC/ghc-version' if this is done); however, this information is not evident from the information provided by the Windows installer. This information initially led me to conclude that uninstalling the previous version wasn't necessary to upgrade; without this information, a new user may not be able to determine whether uninstalling a previous version is necessary to upgrade, and could make upgrading more confusing. I've added a section Relocating a GHC installation to the wiki: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building/Installing#RelocatingaGHCinstallation Relocation on Windows is currently slightly impeded if you're using the Haskell Platform's GHC http://trac.haskell.org/haskell-platform/ticket/19 I think the rest could be solved by adding a note on the Windows section of the download page to the effect that This installer will not overwrite previous installed versions of GHC, with the exception that the default handler for .lhs and .hs files will point to the latest installed version. Ian, would you like to add this to the download page? For quite some time now, http://darcs.haskell.org/ghc/distrib/ghc.iss has had this comment (in line with #916): ; this does _not_ follow the play nice proposal ; future version should The current version will needlessly assign a different file type, leaving Hugs in the cold (unless you install WinHugs last, which removes the GHCi association..) and overwrite the handlers associated with ghc_haskell (so if you want to use multiple versions of GHCi, you have to add them back in manually). See also: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/916 http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Installers http://trac.haskell.org/haskell-platform/ticket/6#comment:12 The solution could be as simple as all distributors agreeing on a single haskell file type (so that WinHugs won't switch out the Haskell Platform bindings, and vice versa), and then not mangling the default verbs 'open' and 'edit', but to use non-standard verbs like open_with_GHCi-6.10.3, so that Haskell installers add, rather than replace, functionality, as agreed on in that haskellwiki page. Works in Windows XP, and avoids Haskell installer ping-pong http://projects.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-platform/2009-May/000154.html The MSDN docs seem to be in upheaval at the moment, so I can't verify that this [1] was the most useful documentation link - I think that, before Windows XP, there was no support for non-standard verbs, so on older Windows versions, the current bad system might have to be used as a fallback, but that is no reason to use it on current versions, several years after agreement): Claus [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/shellcc/platform/shell/programmersguide/shell_basics/shell_basics_extending/fileassociations/fa_intro.asp [2] http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2007/04/30/2332224.aspx 'The default verb is not necessarily open' ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: [Haskell] Re: ANNOUNCE: GHC version 6.10.3
On 15/05/2009 05:52, Benjamin L.Russell wrote: What happened to the Windows installation section in the corresponding User's Guide? The User's Guide for GHC version 6.10.2 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/index.html) had section 2.2: Installing on Windows (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/install-windows.html#winfaq), but this section seems to be missing in the corresponding document for version 6.10.3 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/index.html). Not only that, but the entire chapter 2: Installing GHC seems to be missing. The Installing GHC section was mostly out-of-date and wrong, so I removed it. Some of the material, such as the section on the layout of the tree, has been updated and moved to the GHC Building Guide, here http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building We also have lots of information on the GHC web site about obtaining and installing GHC, so if we need anything else I think that would be the best place to put it. Cheers, Simon ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: [Haskell] Re: ANNOUNCE: GHC version 6.10.3
On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:16:13 +0100, Simon Marlow marlo...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/05/2009 05:52, Benjamin L.Russell wrote: What happened to the Windows installation section in the corresponding User's Guide? The User's Guide for GHC version 6.10.2 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/index.html) had section 2.2: Installing on Windows (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/install-windows.html#winfaq), but this section seems to be missing in the corresponding document for version 6.10.3 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/index.html). Not only that, but the entire chapter 2: Installing GHC seems to be missing. The Installing GHC section was mostly out-of-date and wrong, so I removed it. Some of the material, such as the section on the layout of the tree, has been updated and moved to the GHC Building Guide, here http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building We also have lots of information on the GHC web site about obtaining and installing GHC, so if we need anything else I think that would be the best place to put it. Ah, I see. I just checked out that section, but although it includes information about building GHC, it doesn't seem to include information about simply installing GHC using a binary. This could become an issue if a new user unfamiliar with the installation suddenly decides to upgrade; it is unclear without that documentation whether it is necessary to uninstall the previous version first. More specifically, section 2.2.2 Moving GHC Around indicates that the entire GHC tree can be freely moved around just by copying the c:/ghc/ghc-version directory (although it is necessary to fix up the links in 'Start/All Programs/GHC/ghc-version' if this is done); however, this information is not evident from the information provided by the Windows installer. This information initially led me to conclude that uninstalling the previous version wasn't necessary to upgrade; without this information, a new user may not be able to determine whether uninstalling a previous version is necessary to upgrade, and could make upgrading more confusing. -- Benjamin L. Russell -- Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com http://dekudekuplex.wordpress.com/ Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725 Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. -- Matsuo Basho^ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: [Haskell] Re: ANNOUNCE: GHC version 6.10.3
On 15/05/2009 05:52, Benjamin L.Russell wrote: What happened to the Windows installation section in the corresponding User's Guide? The User's Guide for GHC version 6.10.2 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/index.html) had section 2.2: Installing on Windows (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/install-windows.html#winfaq), but this section seems to be missing in the corresponding document for version 6.10.3 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/index.html). Not only that, but the entire chapter 2: Installing GHC seems to be missing. The Installing GHC section was mostly out-of-date and wrong, so I removed it. Some of the material, such as the section on the layout of the tree, has been updated and moved to the GHC Building Guide, here http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building We also have lots of information on the GHC web site about obtaining and installing GHC, so if we need anything else I think that would be the best place to put it. Cheers, Simon ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] Re: ANNOUNCE: GHC version 6.10.3
On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:16:13 +0100, Simon Marlow marlo...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/05/2009 05:52, Benjamin L.Russell wrote: What happened to the Windows installation section in the corresponding User's Guide? The User's Guide for GHC version 6.10.2 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/index.html) had section 2.2: Installing on Windows (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/install-windows.html#winfaq), but this section seems to be missing in the corresponding document for version 6.10.3 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/index.html). Not only that, but the entire chapter 2: Installing GHC seems to be missing. The Installing GHC section was mostly out-of-date and wrong, so I removed it. Some of the material, such as the section on the layout of the tree, has been updated and moved to the GHC Building Guide, here http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building We also have lots of information on the GHC web site about obtaining and installing GHC, so if we need anything else I think that would be the best place to put it. Ah, I see. I just checked out that section, but although it includes information about building GHC, it doesn't seem to include information about simply installing GHC using a binary. This could become an issue if a new user unfamiliar with the installation suddenly decides to upgrade; it is unclear without that documentation whether it is necessary to uninstall the previous version first. More specifically, section 2.2.2 Moving GHC Around indicates that the entire GHC tree can be freely moved around just by copying the c:/ghc/ghc-version directory (although it is necessary to fix up the links in 'Start/All Programs/GHC/ghc-version' if this is done); however, this information is not evident from the information provided by the Windows installer. This information initially led me to conclude that uninstalling the previous version wasn't necessary to upgrade; without this information, a new user may not be able to determine whether uninstalling a previous version is necessary to upgrade, and could make upgrading more confusing. -- Benjamin L. Russell -- Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com http://dekudekuplex.wordpress.com/ Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725 Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. -- Matsuo Basho^ ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
[Haskell] Re: ANNOUNCE: GHC version 6.10.3
What happened to the Windows installation section in the corresponding User's Guide? The User's Guide for GHC version 6.10.2 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/index.html) had section 2.2: Installing on Windows (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.2/html/users_guide/install-windows.html#winfaq), but this section seems to be missing in the corresponding document for version 6.10.3 (see http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/index.html). Not only that, but the entire chapter 2: Installing GHC seems to be missing. -- Benjamin L. Russell On Sat, 9 May 2009 14:59:57 +0100, Ian Lynagh ig...@earth.li wrote: == The (Interactive) Glasgow Haskell Compiler -- version 6.10.3 == The GHC Team is pleased to announce a new patchlevel release of GHC. This release contains a handful of bugfixes relative to 6.10.2 and better line editing support in GHCi, so we recommend upgrading. Release notes are here: http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.3/html/users_guide/release-6-10-3.html How to get it ~ The easy way is to go to the web page, which should be self-explanatory: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/ We supply binary builds in the native package format for many platforms, and the source distribution is available from the same place. Packages will appear as they are built - if the package for your system isn't available yet, please try again later. Background ~~ Haskell is a standard lazy functional programming language; the current language version is Haskell 98, agreed in December 1998 and revised December 2002. GHC is a state-of-the-art programming suite for Haskell. Included is an optimising compiler generating good code for a variety of platforms, together with an interactive system for convenient, quick development. The distribution includes space and time profiling facilities, a large collection of libraries, and support for various language extensions, including concurrency, exceptions, and foreign language interfaces (C, whatever). GHC is distributed under a BSD-style open source license. A wide variety of Haskell related resources (tutorials, libraries, specifications, documentation, compilers, interpreters, references, contact information, links to research groups) are available from the Haskell home page (see below). On-line GHC-related resources ~~ Relevant URLs on the World-Wide Web: GHC home page http://www.haskell.org/ghc/ GHC developers' home page http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ Haskell home page http://www.haskell.org/ Supported Platforms ~~~ The list of platforms we support, and the people responsible for them, is here: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Contributors Ports to other platforms are possible with varying degrees of difficulty. The Building Guide describes how to go about porting to a new platform: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building Developers ~~ We welcome new contributors. Instructions on accessing our source code repository, and getting started with hacking on GHC, are available from the GHC's developer's site run by Trac: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ Mailing lists ~ We run mailing lists for GHC users and bug reports; to subscribe, use the web interfaces at http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-bugs There are several other haskell and ghc-related mailing lists on www.haskell.org; for the full list, see http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/ Some GHC developers hang out on #haskell on IRC, too: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/IRC_channel Please report bugs using our bug tracking system. Instructions on reporting bugs can be found here: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/reportabug -- Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com http://dekudekuplex.wordpress.com/ Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725 Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. -- Matsuo Basho^ ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
