Re: [Haskell-cafe] Linux version of ghc-6.8.3 won't intall or run for me: "Floating point exception".

2008-09-04 Thread Bryan O'Sullivan
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Don Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I've downloaded the ghc-6.8.3-i386-unknown-linux.tar.bz2 tarball, which
>> I expected to work on my GNU/Linux box (1.2 GHz Athlon, Debian Sarge).
>
> Was there a problem installing GHC from the Debian package system with apt?

Sarge is extremely old in Linux years, and support for it was EOLed
earlier this year. It ships with a particularly buggy version of
glibc. I would recommend upgrading.
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Linux version of ghc-6.8.3 won't intall or run for me: "Floating point exception".

2008-09-04 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Don!

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 02:24:20PM -0700, Don Stewart wrote:
> acm:
> > Hi, Haskell!

> > I've downloaded the ghc-6.8.3-i386-unknown-linux.tar.bz2 tarball,
> > which I expected to work on my GNU/Linux box (1.2 GHz Athlon, Debian
> > Sarge).

> Was there a problem installing GHC from the Debian package system with
> apt?

Yes, my apt setup is broken.  Because of a (now fixed) configuration
error I made, aptitude (a frontend to apt) has decided it needs to
delete ~400 packages from my system, some of them vital.  It's an
"intelligent", "helpful" system, and maintaining consistency between
packages is of utmost importance to it, more important, by far, than
leaving my system in a working state.  I haven't found a convenient,
safe, way of resetting this "deletion cache" (which has been hanging
around for ~1 year).  Sadly its only "go button" is "do everything
pending", so I've effectively blocked myself from using it.  Sorting the
mess out, or even discovering whether I could safely use apt directly,
is just too much drudgery; I'll be installing a new system sometime soon
anyway.

I hate package managers almost as much as binary packages.  There are
quite a lot of things I don't hate, though.  ;-)

That's kind of drifting off topic, though.

> -- Don

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Linux version of ghc-6.8.3 won't intall or run for me: "Floating point exception".

2008-09-04 Thread Alan Mackenzie
HI THERE, JOHANNES, what a surprise, how are you doing?

Remember teaching me the 7-ring 1-count?  Might've been at Erlangen,
possibly Augsburg, even Berlin, but it was quite a while ago.  :-)

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 11:20:35PM +0200, Johannes Waldmann wrote:
> Hi, Alan -

> >./configure fails with "checking for path to top of build tree...
> >configure: error: cannot determine current directory". 

> Yeah, I got the exact same error yesterday when trying to install
> a ghc-6.8.3 binary dist on some older machine.

Ah, so it's not just me.

> Well, since I had 6.8.2 working there, I just used it to compile 6.8.3
> from sources, which worked without any problems.

> I guess the 6.8.3 binary does not work because it expects a newer
> version of libc or whatever. I can provide the binaries I built if you 
> need them.

Hey, thanks, yes please!  Whether by email, or you giving me an ftp
address, whatever is most convenient.  That would be most appreciated.

> Best regards, J.W.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Linux version of ghc-6.8.3 won't intall or run for me: "Floating point exception".

2008-09-04 Thread Johannes Waldmann



Was there a problem installing GHC from the Debian package system with apt?


He said Sarge. I guess the current ghc packages are for Etch only? - J.W.



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Linux version of ghc-6.8.3 won't intall or run for me: "Floating point exception".

2008-09-04 Thread Ian Lynagh
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 11:20:35PM +0200, Johannes Waldmann wrote:
> 
> >./configure fails with "checking for path to top of build tree...
> >configure: error: cannot determine current directory". 
> 
> I guess the 6.8.3 binary does not work because it expects a newer
> version of libc or whatever.

That's right.


Thanks
Ian

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Linux version of ghc-6.8.3 won't intall or run for me: "Floating point exception".

2008-09-04 Thread Don Stewart
acm:
> Hi, Haskell!
> 
> I've downloaded the ghc-6.8.3-i386-unknown-linux.tar.bz2 tarball, which
> I expected to work on my GNU/Linux box (1.2 GHz Athlon, Debian Sarge).

Was there a problem installing GHC from the Debian package system with apt?

-- Don
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Linux version of ghc-6.8.3 won't intall or run for me: "Floating point exception".

2008-09-04 Thread Johannes Waldmann

Hi, Alan -


./configure fails with "checking for path to top of build tree...
configure: error: cannot determine current directory". 


Yeah, I got the exact same error yesterday when trying to install
a ghc-6.8.3 binary dist on some older machine.

Well, since I had 6.8.2 working there, I just used it to compile 6.8.3 
from sources,

which worked without any problems.

I guess the 6.8.3 binary does not work because it expects a newer
version of libc or whatever. I can provide the binaries I built if you 
need them.


Best regards, J.W.



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[Haskell-cafe] Linux version of ghc-6.8.3 won't intall or run for me: "Floating point exception".

2008-09-04 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Haskell!

I've downloaded the ghc-6.8.3-i386-unknown-linux.tar.bz2 tarball, which
I expected to work on my GNU/Linux box (1.2 GHz Athlon, Debian Sarge).

I'm new at this game, though I'm thoroughly experienced with (and bear
deep battle scars from) GNU software in general.

./configure fails with "checking for path to top of build tree...
configure: error: cannot determine current directory".  This has been
reported before in this list, but I don't think anybody ever explained
the fault.

Further delving finds that the following statement in the configure
script triggers it:

hardtop=`utils/pwd/pwd forwardslash`

.  utils/pwd/pwd, no matter how I call it, always crashes with "Floating
point exception".  Surely real numbers aren't involved in determining a
configuration - probably some floating point library or other is
missing from my system.

What is utils/pwd/pwd?  What's its purpose?  It's 460kB large (compared
with 14kb for /bin/pwd).  Is it a haskell implementation of Unix's pwd,
primarily intented for non-unixy OSs?

configure is supposed to ascertain my machine's config, so it's
particularly disappointing that it crashes because my config isn't what
it expects.  Should I report this as a bug?

#

Anyhow, I hacked the configure script by replacing the above line by a
hard-coded value, thusly:

hardtop=/home/acm/haskell/ghc-6.8.3

, and the configure script finished.  ;-)

So I did "make install", and the turgid messages rolled up my screen
until it crashed, the last few lines being:

nstall/lib/ghc-6.8.3"' 
-DPKG_DATADIR='"/home/acm/haskell/ghc-install/share/ghc-6.8.3"' package.conf.in 
\
| grep -v '^#pragma GCC' \
| sed -e 's/""//g' -e 's/:[   ]*,/: /g' \
| /home/acm/haskell/ghc-6.8.3/utils/ghc-pkg/ghc-pkg.bin --global-conf 
/home/acm/haskell/ghc-install/lib/ghc-6.8.3/package.conf update - --force
make[1]: *** [install] Error 136
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/acm/haskell/ghc-6.8.3/rts'
make: *** [install] Error 2

Ah yes!  Error 136.  ;-)  Don't we just love GNU bread and butter
software?  It's not documented on the install man page either - or the
info page.  Neither is Error 8.

Hey, you've all been through this too: enthusiasm -> 0 as t -> infinity.
:-(

#

So, I thought, who needs to install?  It's a binary package, so somewhere
there's going to be a top-level callable program, probably called
something like "ghc".  Hey, yes, compile/Stage3/ghc-6.8.3.  Guess what:
"Floating point exception".  :-(

I hate binary packages - I utterly loathe them.  They never work.  At
least they never work for me.  Or the distro package manager stuffs your
cron config with resource hoggers you really don't want, and forgets to
ask you first.  I suppose they might work if your OS has been installed
or updated within the last few months; otherwise, forget it.  Source
distributions are so much faster and easier to install because the
cranial clutter you have to cope with is that much less.

Trouble is, to build haskell from source, you need a working haskell to
build it with.  Presumably, sometime in the recent past (as measured on
archaeological time scales), ghc was bootstrapped from C (or some other
lowest common denomiator language).  Is this route still available?  Some
proto-proto haskell written in C, sufficiently powerful to build a
proto-haskell, sufficiently powerful to build the compiler?

#

I'd really love to play with haskell.  But the time I've wasted so far,
trying to get it working, is almost at the stage where I just can't be
bothered any more.  I've been here before, and I can see that I've got 1
- 3 days x 8 hours of grinding drudgery before I finally get ghc-6.8.3
working.  I suppose that's just the way GNU systems are.

If anybody could give me some tips as to getting a decent haskell running
on my system in a reasonable, predictable amount of time, in a way which
doesn't involve diagnosing and fixing problems, I'd be very grateful
indeed.

Thanks!

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