Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Boost equivalent
On 2/1/07, Slavomir Kaslev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: would be sweet. Even sweeter is easily accessing .Net Framework from ghc, especially for Windows users. .Net Framework is huge. It is de-facto _the_ windows framework. Are there any projects going in this direction? I would so love to see this happen. I'm actually surprised it hasn't, considering the GHC "guy" works for MS! If for nothing else, .NET has an excellent GUI in Windows Forms. Manipulating that from Haskell would be a dream come true! ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Boost equivalent
On 01/02/07, Slavomir Kaslev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Even sweeter is easily accessing .Net Framework from ghc, especially for Windows users. .Net Framework is huge. It is de-facto _the_ windows framework. Are there any projects going in this direction? That would indeed be nice - it would make a good replacement for the old H/Direct COM interface, which sadly no longer seems to be maintained... You might also be interested in a couple of "Haskell for .NET" projects: http://galois.com/~sof/hugs98.net/ (Hugs.NET) http://kahu.zoot.net.nz/ (Mondrian, includes Haskell.NET) http://php.cin.ufpe.br/~haskell/haskelldotnet/ (Haskell.NET) None seem maintained, unfortunately - the last URL is dead, which may be temporary... Paul. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Boost equivalent
On 2/1/07, Al Falloon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Boost.Python is for extending Python with C++, or embedding Python in C++. This is especially useful because it allows you to use Python as an extension language for a C++ program. Presumably Boost.Haskell would be for integrating Haskell code with C++, which would of course be useful, but the main use case (an embedded extension language) that draws people to Boost.Python isn't as much of a draw for Haskell because of the compilation phase. On the other hand, I suppose you could always integrate a Haskell interpreter like Hugs, or even go the HsPlugins route and dynamically load a compiled module, but the fit doesn't seem as natural as it does with a latently typed scripting language. There are also technical problems that are hard to overcome. Extending Python is mostly done in C, so a C++ library to add some nice sugar is a good fit. Haskell, OTOH, embeds C programs via its FFI. There doesn't seem to be any way to export functions and value from C++ to Haskell, but instead the C++ code must import from Haskell. All the heavy lifting is done on the Haskell side, so there isn't as much opportunity to write a slick C++ library. This could change if someone made a version of Hugs that can be linked in as a library with a documented C API for evaluating Haskell code and mucking with Haskell values. But I don't think its much of a priority right now :) -- Alan Falloon I think a more common scenario would be using C++ legacy code in Haskell project. I would imagine Boost.Haskell as collection of code generation templates for exposing C++ APIs to be used in Haskell. That would be sweet. Even sweeter is easily accessing .Net Framework from ghc, especially for Windows users. .Net Framework is huge. It is de-facto _the_ windows framework. Are there any projects going in this direction? -- Slavomir Kaslev ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Boost equivalent
Boost.Python is for extending Python with C++, or embedding Python in C++. This is especially useful because it allows you to use Python as an extension language for a C++ program. Presumably Boost.Haskell would be for integrating Haskell code with C++, which would of course be useful, but the main use case (an embedded extension language) that draws people to Boost.Python isn't as much of a draw for Haskell because of the compilation phase. On the other hand, I suppose you could always integrate a Haskell interpreter like Hugs, or even go the HsPlugins route and dynamically load a compiled module, but the fit doesn't seem as natural as it does with a latently typed scripting language. There are also technical problems that are hard to overcome. Extending Python is mostly done in C, so a C++ library to add some nice sugar is a good fit. Haskell, OTOH, embeds C programs via its FFI. There doesn't seem to be any way to export functions and value from C++ to Haskell, but instead the C++ code must import from Haskell. All the heavy lifting is done on the Haskell side, so there isn't as much opportunity to write a slick C++ library. This could change if someone made a version of Hugs that can be linked in as a library with a documented C API for evaluating Haskell code and mucking with Haskell values. But I don't think its much of a priority right now :) -- Alan Falloon Alexy Khrabrov wrote: One of the great strengths of Python is Boost.Python. Practitioners say it's a major advantage of Python over Ruby, for example. So the question is not whether there's a Boost in Haskell -- C++ and Haskell are too different for it to have much meaning -- but whether there's or going to be a Boost.Haskell? Cheers, Alexy On Feb 1, 2007, at 5:03 AM, John Ky wrote: Does the Haskell community have an equivalent to C++ community's Boost project with the aim of writing libraries for the eventual inclusion into Haskell? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
