Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
Hello, On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Niklas Broberg wrote: But the problem at hand here is auto-generated AST code, where we cannot rely on the parser to do the right thing. There's help in the AST such that it's possible to explicitly insert brackets where needed, but I agree with Dominic that it shouldn't really be necessary in his case. Neil's point is well taken though - to do it correctly (or rather, minimally) for infix application, the pretty printer would need to be aware of the respective fixities involved. If I was planning to write a Haskell program that generates Haskell code, should I use HSE? Or is it more for generating nice looking code than correct code? Is there an alternative package that is more suitable for generating code that is meant to be executed rather than being looked at? However, that doesn't mean we can't do better than what it is now, but be conservative about it. Only insert brackets where it's clear that brackets must be inserted, which would be the case for Dominic's example. If the argument to an application is non-atomic, it needs brackets, there's nothing ambiguous about that. Nothing can be said so categorically for infix applications, so there we should assume that the fixities are already done in the correct way, or that brackets are inserted manually where needed. Does that sound reasonable? Personnaly, I would prefer Duncans approach to produce correct output by default and require additional fixity information if the output should contain fewer parens. (The reason for my preference is that I think it is quite annoying to insert parens manually into auto generated infix applications only to get correct output.) In order to help reducing the amount of annoying parentheses in printed code, would it be sufficient - at least for the common case - to do something along the lines of prettyPrint = prettyPrintWithFixities preludeFixities and provide make `prettyPrint`, `prettyPrintWithFixities`, and `preludeFixities` public? Cheers, Sebastian -- Underestimating the novelty of the future is a time-honored tradition. (D.G.) ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
Hi Daniel, > Funny, I did the opposite approach the other day (not saying either is better > :)); that is: parenthesize everything while building the AST (with a wrapper > for App) and then: I have utilities in HLint for that too - but I don't want to remove users brackets automatically :-) Btw, if you use uniplate you might find your code goes faster, and is simpler: deparenthesize :: (Data a) => a -> a deparenthesize = transformBi goT . transformBi goT where (the rest exactly as before, but skipping isString) I always use Uniplate when working with HSE - they go great together (do import Data.Generics.PlateData, and you don't need any extra instances or anything) Thanks, Neil ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
Hi, On Friday 13 November 2009 21:08:42 Neil Mitchell wrote: > In HLint I have a bracketing module, which has served me well. Please > take any ideas you need from it - > http://community.haskell.org/~ndm/darcs/hlint/src/HSE/Bracket.hs . In > particular, given a fully bracketed expression, I can call > transformBracket to transform the expression, not caring about > brackets, in a way that guarantees the right brackets are put back. > There is also needBracket and isAtom which are very useful. If you > call descendBi (transformBracket Just) it will automatically bracket > your term as much as is necessary. > Funny, I did the opposite approach the other day (not saying either is better :)); that is: parenthesize everything while building the AST (with a wrapper for App) and then: deparenthesize :: (Data a) => a -> a deparenthesize = everywhereBut isString (mkT goE `extT` goT) where isString x = typeOf x == typeOf (undefined :: String) goE (App (Paren (App e1 e2)) e3) = (App (App e1 e2) e3) goE (Paren (Paren e)) = Paren e goE (InfixApp e1 op'' (Paren (InfixApp e2 op' e3))) | op'' == op' , knownAssociative op'' = InfixApp e1 op'' (InfixApp e2 op' e3) goE (InfixApp (Paren (InfixApp e1 op'' e2)) op' e3) | op'' == op' , knownAssociative op'' = InfixApp (InfixApp e1 op'' e2) op' e3 goE x = x goT (TyApp (TyParen (TyApp t1 t2)) t3) = (TyApp (TyApp t1 t2) t3) -- add rule for function types too goT (TyParen (TyParen t)) = TyParen t goT x = x knownAssociative x = x `elem` [QVarOp (UnQual (Symbol "."))] Though the infix thing doesn't quite work; apparently they still get printed with parens even if there are no parens in the AST? Or the rule just didn't match for some reason... -- Greetings, Daniel ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
Hi Adding brackets that MUST have been there, by default, sounds like a great idea. The alternative is getting it wrong, so I think that's very safe. Adding brackets that MIGHT have been there is a lot less clear cut. One important consideration is that the fixities you parse/pretty-print with might be wrong, so it has to be sensitive to that. You have the options: * Always do it (but then you get way too many brackets, and in the case where you mis-guess the fixities, you break the code) * Do it based on a table of fixities (might work if the parser fixities match the pretty-printer fixities, but could go wrong) * Annotate operators with fixities (this seems really wrong, and suffers from incorrect guessed fixities very badly) * Never do it My preference would be: -- put in enough brackets based on a fixities ensureEnoughBrackets :: [Fixities] -> a -> a prettyPrint = show . ensureEnoughBrackets [] Always do the safe brackets, if people want to do a table-of-fixities approach they can easily do so. Also by putting this code in the pretty printer it's harder to reuse if you want to write a custom pretty print or similar - ensureEnoughBrackets may be independently useful. Thanks Neil > To do it minimally yes, but correctly? In the AST you've got > > InfixApp Exp QOp Exp > > so we know the tree structure, we just can't insert minimal brackets > without knowing the fixity. > >> However, that doesn't mean we can't do better than what it is now, but >> be conservative about it. Only insert brackets where it's clear that >> brackets must be inserted, which would be the case for Dominic's >> example. If the argument to an application is non-atomic, it needs >> brackets, there's nothing ambiguous about that. Nothing can be said so >> categorically for infix applications, so there we should assume that >> the fixities are already done in the correct way, or that brackets are >> inserted manually where needed. >> >> Does that sound reasonable? Yes - that seems perfectly sensible. > The suggestion is to move to a "safe/correct by default" where brackets > are inserted to preserve the tree structure of infix expressions. The > problem then becomes, what if we want to have the minimal (or pleasing > not-quite-minimal) number of brackets. > > Right? > > If I've understood right, then yes I think making the pretty printing > right by default is a good idea, and then for the users/applications > where optimising for fewer brackets is important, it should be a little > extra work to supply the necessary information. > > Perhaps like the ParseMode has fixities :: [Fixity], give the PPHsMode > the same (partial) fixities environment. For operators not in the > environment we fall back to using brackets all the time, but for known > operators we can the use minimal bracketing. > > Another option I suppose would be to annotate the QOp used in InfixApp > with a Maybe fixity. The parser would annotate these when it knows them > from its fixities env in the ParseMode. For ASTs constructed manually > the user would add them if they know or care. If not, they just get > slightly more brackets than might strictly be necessary if the fixity > were known. > > Duncan > > ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 23:54 +0100, Niklas Broberg wrote: > > Surely you do want this. It's the biggest problem with the original > > haskell-src package, that it cannot print out any useful Haskell code > > obtained from the parser, because it forgets all the brackets. > > I should point out that haskell-src-exts already fixes this for code > obtained from the parser, by making the parser and AST remember the > brackets. Or as you put it: > > > It probably wants to be a combination of the parser, AST and pretty > > printer. > > Yes indeed. Ok, I misunderstood. > But the problem at hand here is auto-generated AST code, where we > cannot rely on the parser to do the right thing. There's help in the > AST such that it's possible to explicitly insert brackets where > needed, but I agree with Dominic that it shouldn't really be necessary > in his case. > Neil's point is well taken though - to do it correctly (or rather, > minimally) for infix application, the pretty printer would need to be > aware of the respective fixities involved. To do it minimally yes, but correctly? In the AST you've got InfixApp Exp QOp Exp so we know the tree structure, we just can't insert minimal brackets without knowing the fixity. > However, that doesn't mean we can't do better than what it is now, but > be conservative about it. Only insert brackets where it's clear that > brackets must be inserted, which would be the case for Dominic's > example. If the argument to an application is non-atomic, it needs > brackets, there's nothing ambiguous about that. Nothing can be said so > categorically for infix applications, so there we should assume that > the fixities are already done in the correct way, or that brackets are > inserted manually where needed. > > Does that sound reasonable? So to be clear, currently the printing behaviour is that no brackets are inserted for infix expressions which means the results are "wrong by default" (for ASTs constructed manually, not via the parser) but on the other hand this lets you insert the minimal (or pleasing) number of brackets. The suggestion is to move to a "safe/correct by default" where brackets are inserted to preserve the tree structure of infix expressions. The problem then becomes, what if we want to have the minimal (or pleasing not-quite-minimal) number of brackets. Right? If I've understood right, then yes I think making the pretty printing right by default is a good idea, and then for the users/applications where optimising for fewer brackets is important, it should be a little extra work to supply the necessary information. Perhaps like the ParseMode has fixities :: [Fixity], give the PPHsMode the same (partial) fixities environment. For operators not in the environment we fall back to using brackets all the time, but for known operators we can the use minimal bracketing. Another option I suppose would be to annotate the QOp used in InfixApp with a Maybe fixity. The parser would annotate these when it knows them from its fixities env in the ParseMode. For ASTs constructed manually the user would add them if they know or care. If not, they just get slightly more brackets than might strictly be necessary if the fixity were known. Duncan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
> Surely you do want this. It's the biggest problem with the original > haskell-src package, that it cannot print out any useful Haskell code > obtained from the parser, because it forgets all the brackets. I should point out that haskell-src-exts already fixes this for code obtained from the parser, by making the parser and AST remember the brackets. Or as you put it: > It probably wants to be a combination of the parser, AST and pretty > printer. Yes indeed. But the problem at hand here is auto-generated AST code, where we cannot rely on the parser to do the right thing. There's help in the AST such that it's possible to explicitly insert brackets where needed, but I agree with Dominic that it shouldn't really be necessary in his case. Neil's point is well taken though - to do it correctly (or rather, minimally) for infix application, the pretty printer would need to be aware of the respective fixities involved. However, that doesn't mean we can't do better than what it is now, but be conservative about it. Only insert brackets where it's clear that brackets must be inserted, which would be the case for Dominic's example. If the argument to an application is non-atomic, it needs brackets, there's nothing ambiguous about that. Nothing can be said so categorically for infix applications, so there we should assume that the fixities are already done in the correct way, or that brackets are inserted manually where needed. Does that sound reasonable? Cheers, /Niklas ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 20:08 +, Neil Mitchell wrote: > Hi Niklas, > > >> Do I have to write my own prettyprinter? Do I have to put in explicit > >> parentheses? The latter seems unsatisfactory as my generated AST is > >> unambiguous > >> and bracketing ought to be part of the prettyprinter. The former would be > >> quite > >> a lot of code as there are many cases to consider. > > > > Looking at your example, what you want is brackets to be inserted > > whenever the right subexpression in an application is non-atomic. That > > certainly seems reasonable to me. Would you file a ticket for it > > please? http://trac.haskell.org/haskell-src-exts :-) > > I wanted that once, then I realised I was wrong :-) Surely you do want this. It's the biggest problem with the original haskell-src package, that it cannot print out any useful Haskell code obtained from the parser, because it forgets all the brackets. > Should you insert brackets everywhere it's ambiguous? The minimal number that are necessary. The Show class manages to do this ok. > What about operators - you don't know the fixities, so can't tell if > you should insert a bracket or not. You can at least remember enough in the parser to print it out the same way. If we do not have fixity info available (eg because it's from some other module) we just keep the operators and expressions together in a list (such that they could be fully resolved if we applied fixity info) eg e1 %% e2 ?? e3 as (using made up AST names) (e1, [(Op "%%", e2), (Op "??", e3)]) We can then print it out the same way. We could also resolve the bracketing if we had fixity info and in that case we could print out the expression again with the minimal number of brackets necessary. I did it like this for an undergrad compiler, the round trip parsing and pretty printing works fine, as does getting from the plain syntax level to the fully resolved level by using fixity info. > I can't see any way for HSE to implement this feature correctly, and > as such, it's really not a good feature to push down in to the pretty > printer. It probably wants to be a combination of the parser, AST and pretty printer. Duncan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
Hi Niklas, >> Do I have to write my own prettyprinter? Do I have to put in explicit >> parentheses? The latter seems unsatisfactory as my generated AST is >> unambiguous >> and bracketing ought to be part of the prettyprinter. The former would be >> quite >> a lot of code as there are many cases to consider. > > Looking at your example, what you want is brackets to be inserted > whenever the right subexpression in an application is non-atomic. That > certainly seems reasonable to me. Would you file a ticket for it > please? http://trac.haskell.org/haskell-src-exts :-) I wanted that once, then I realised I was wrong :-) Should you insert brackets everywhere it's ambiguous? What about operators - you don't know the fixities, so can't tell if you should insert a bracket or not. I can't see any way for HSE to implement this feature correctly, and as such, it's really not a good feature to push down in to the pretty printer. In HLint I have a bracketing module, which has served me well. Please take any ideas you need from it - http://community.haskell.org/~ndm/darcs/hlint/src/HSE/Bracket.hs . In particular, given a fully bracketed expression, I can call transformBracket to transform the expression, not caring about brackets, in a way that guarantees the right brackets are put back. There is also needBracket and isAtom which are very useful. If you call descendBi (transformBracket Just) it will automatically bracket your term as much as is necessary. If you don't understand any of the ideas in Bracket then look at Uniplate (http://community.haskell.org/~ndm/uniplate) - it's where a lot of the ideas came from. If you're working with a HSE source tree without using Uniplate (or a competitor) then you're doing it wrong. Thanks, Neil ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
Hi Dominic, On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Dominic Steinitz wrote: > I would have expected the prettyprinter to produce this: > > pay tPD (a (length tOD + -1)) > > Do I have to write my own prettyprinter? Do I have to put in explicit > parentheses? The latter seems unsatisfactory as my generated AST is > unambiguous > and bracketing ought to be part of the prettyprinter. The former would be > quite > a lot of code as there are many cases to consider. I will start by admitting that the prettyprinter is something of the black sheep of HSE, simply because it's been completely inherited from haskell-src and I've hardly messed with at all (except for adding new cases of course). I'm not surprised that it doesn't (yet) work satisfactorily in all cases. Looking at your example, what you want is brackets to be inserted whenever the right subexpression in an application is non-atomic. That certainly seems reasonable to me. Would you file a ticket for it please? http://trac.haskell.org/haskell-src-exts :-) Cheers, /Niklas ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] haskell-src-exts Question
I've been generating Haskell using haskell-src-exts but the prettyprinter isn't producing what I would expect. I would expect parse . prettyPrint == id i.e. the AST should be unchanged if you prettyprint it then parse it. Here's an example generated expression: App (App (Var (UnQual (Ident "pay"))) (Var (UnQual (Ident "tPD" (App (Var (UnQual (Ident "a"))) (InfixApp (App (Var (UnQual (Ident "length"))) (Var (UnQual (Ident "tOD" (QVarOp (UnQual (Symbol "+"))) (Lit (Int (-1) Here's what prettyPrint produces: pay tPD a length tOD + -1 Parsing it gives this (i.e. not the expression I first thought of): InfixApp (App (App (App (App (Var (UnQual (Ident "pay"))) (Var (UnQual (Ident "tPD" (Var (UnQual (Ident "a" (Var (UnQual (Ident "length" (Var (UnQual (Ident "tOD" (QVarOp (UnQual (Symbol "+"))) (NegApp (Lit (Int 1))) I would have expected the prettyprinter to produce this: pay tPD (a (length tOD + -1)) Do I have to write my own prettyprinter? Do I have to put in explicit parentheses? The latter seems unsatisfactory as my generated AST is unambiguous and bracketing ought to be part of the prettyprinter. The former would be quite a lot of code as there are many cases to consider. Dominic. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
