Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell on llvm?
I could see it as a useful abstraction instead of directly generating assembly. To me the idea behind llvm seems nice and clean and academic to a certain degree. It can see it as something to look out for in the future. On 9/13/07, brad clawsie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > has anyone ever considered using llvm as a infrastructure for haskell > compilation? it wold seem people are looking at building frontends for > scheme, ocaml, etc. i don't know if an alternate backend is > appropriate, but it would seem to be an interesting way to aggregate > the best thinking for various optimizations over a more diverse group > of developers. > ___ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell on llvm?
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 15:58 -0700, Don Stewart wrote: > clawsie: > > has anyone ever considered using llvm as a infrastructure for haskell > > compilation? it wold seem people are looking at building frontends for > > scheme, ocaml, etc. i don't know if an alternate backend is > > appropriate, but it would seem to be an interesting way to aggregate > > the best thinking for various optimizations over a more diverse group > > of developers. > > People are definitely interested in it. Needs some people with compiler > experience and GHC experience to tackle it seriously, I suspect. Reading and writing llvm files could also be useful to prototype/implement compiler passes using Haskell. / Thomas ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell on llvm?
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 15:55 -0700, brad clawsie wrote: > has anyone ever considered using llvm as a infrastructure for haskell > compilation? it wold seem people are looking at building frontends for > scheme, ocaml, etc. i don't know if an alternate backend is > appropriate, but it would seem to be an interesting way to aggregate > the best thinking for various optimizations over a more diverse group > of developers. I applied for Google Summer of Code with the suggestion to write a library to generate (and compile) LLVM code (not my idea in the first place, but I liked it), but it didn't get into the top 9 (i.e., funded) projects. It's certainly not a bad idea, but the immediate use to the community would admittedly not be too great. Targeting an existing Haskell compiler would probably be doable, but I am unsure what the big advantages would be. Many optimizations implemented for llvm are more high-level in nature and wouldn't make much sense for Haskell compilers, since translating to llvm would lose some information, and Haskell, being a lazy language, requires/enables non-standard transformations. Haskell-compilers currently require better low-level optimizations (instruction scheduling, register allocation, maybe memory locality optimazitions). I'm not up to date with how well llvm scores in these areas, but last time I checked it was slower than ghc, and ghc already isn't too great at this kind of stuff (compared to icc). I could however see some applications of an llvm-generation library for DSLs that require high performance, and currently have to invoke gcc at runtime. / Thomas ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell on llvm?
clawsie: > has anyone ever considered using llvm as a infrastructure for haskell > compilation? it wold seem people are looking at building frontends for > scheme, ocaml, etc. i don't know if an alternate backend is > appropriate, but it would seem to be an interesting way to aggregate > the best thinking for various optimizations over a more diverse group > of developers. People are definitely interested in it. Needs some people with compiler experience and GHC experience to tackle it seriously, I suspect. -- Don ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] haskell on llvm?
has anyone ever considered using llvm as a infrastructure for haskell compilation? it wold seem people are looking at building frontends for scheme, ocaml, etc. i don't know if an alternate backend is appropriate, but it would seem to be an interesting way to aggregate the best thinking for various optimizations over a more diverse group of developers. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
