Re: [Haskell-cafe] Names for properties of operators
Hi, Thanks for the replies so far. If it helps, after I sent my post, I spotted a couple of arithmetic examples: Neil Brown wrote: 2: (a % b) % c = (a % c) % b Division (on rationals) obeys this property (a / b) / c = (a / c) / b -- which is actually equal to a / (b * c), but that doesn't matter for my property. 4: (a % b) ~ c = (a ~ c) % b Division and multiplication on rationals obey this property: (a / b) * c = (a * c) / b. Thanks, Neil. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Names for properties of operators
This seems related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semigroup_action But I'm not entirely sure. Sjoerd On Nov 7, 2009, at 7:57 PM, Neil Brown wrote: Hi, We have names for properties of operators/functions. For example, if this holds: a % b = b % a for some operator %, we say that % is commutative. Similarly, if this holds: (a % b) % c = a % (b % c) we say that % is associative. Is there a name for this property, which I'm numbering 1, (where (%) :: a - b - b; i.e. the operator is potentially, but not necessarily, asymmetrically typed): 1: a % (b % c) = b % (a % c) For example, `Set.insert` obeys 1 for any values of a, b and c. (Any operator that is both associative and commutative automatically satisfies this property, but this property can be satisfied without the operator being either of those.) Given this property, we could prove useful follow-on results, such as: foldr (%) x ys = foldr (%) x (reverse ys) foldr (%) x ys = foldl (flip (%)) x ys The property 1 effectively states that the far-right hand element in a chain of such operators is special, but the ordering of everything to the left of it doesn't matter. One could conceive of a mirror property (where (%) :: a - b - a): 2: (a % b) % c = (a % c) % b If (%) obeys 1, flip (%) obeys 2 (and vice versa). I think these properties are useful -- I'd like to know if they have names already to describe them by. A similar property of two relations (where ((%), (~)) :: (a - b - b, c - b - b) ) would be: 3: a % (b ~ c) = b ~ (a % c) with mirror version (and adjusted types): 4: (a % b) ~ c = (a ~ c) % b Do these have a name? As an example, `Set.insert` and `Set.union` obey property 3 for all values of a, b and c. There are also symmetrically-typed examples of these operators, but the Set operations are easy and familiar. Thanks, Neil. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Sjoerd Visscher sjo...@w3future.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Names for properties of operators
1. and 2. are called left- and right-commutative. And I think that 3. and 4. are left- and right-commutative rings (please correct me if I'm wrong here). Cheers, Thomas 2009/11/7 Neil Brown nc...@kent.ac.uk: Hi, We have names for properties of operators/functions. For example, if this holds: a % b = b % a for some operator %, we say that % is commutative. Similarly, if this holds: (a % b) % c = a % (b % c) we say that % is associative. Is there a name for this property, which I'm numbering 1, (where (%) :: a - b - b; i.e. the operator is potentially, but not necessarily, asymmetrically typed): 1: a % (b % c) = b % (a % c) For example, `Set.insert` obeys 1 for any values of a, b and c. (Any operator that is both associative and commutative automatically satisfies this property, but this property can be satisfied without the operator being either of those.) Given this property, we could prove useful follow-on results, such as: foldr (%) x ys = foldr (%) x (reverse ys) foldr (%) x ys = foldl (flip (%)) x ys The property 1 effectively states that the far-right hand element in a chain of such operators is special, but the ordering of everything to the left of it doesn't matter. One could conceive of a mirror property (where (%) :: a - b - a): 2: (a % b) % c = (a % c) % b If (%) obeys 1, flip (%) obeys 2 (and vice versa). I think these properties are useful -- I'd like to know if they have names already to describe them by. A similar property of two relations (where ((%), (~)) :: (a - b - b, c - b - b) ) would be: 3: a % (b ~ c) = b ~ (a % c) with mirror version (and adjusted types): 4: (a % b) ~ c = (a ~ c) % b Do these have a name? As an example, `Set.insert` and `Set.union` obey property 3 for all values of a, b and c. There are also symmetrically-typed examples of these operators, but the Set operations are easy and familiar. Thanks, Neil. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Names for properties of operators
No, they aren't rings, because rings are distributive... 2009/11/8 Thomas Danecker tdanec...@gmail.com: 1. and 2. are called left- and right-commutative. And I think that 3. and 4. are left- and right-commutative rings (please correct me if I'm wrong here). Cheers, Thomas 2009/11/7 Neil Brown nc...@kent.ac.uk: Hi, We have names for properties of operators/functions. For example, if this holds: a % b = b % a for some operator %, we say that % is commutative. Similarly, if this holds: (a % b) % c = a % (b % c) we say that % is associative. Is there a name for this property, which I'm numbering 1, (where (%) :: a - b - b; i.e. the operator is potentially, but not necessarily, asymmetrically typed): 1: a % (b % c) = b % (a % c) For example, `Set.insert` obeys 1 for any values of a, b and c. (Any operator that is both associative and commutative automatically satisfies this property, but this property can be satisfied without the operator being either of those.) Given this property, we could prove useful follow-on results, such as: foldr (%) x ys = foldr (%) x (reverse ys) foldr (%) x ys = foldl (flip (%)) x ys The property 1 effectively states that the far-right hand element in a chain of such operators is special, but the ordering of everything to the left of it doesn't matter. One could conceive of a mirror property (where (%) :: a - b - a): 2: (a % b) % c = (a % c) % b If (%) obeys 1, flip (%) obeys 2 (and vice versa). I think these properties are useful -- I'd like to know if they have names already to describe them by. A similar property of two relations (where ((%), (~)) :: (a - b - b, c - b - b) ) would be: 3: a % (b ~ c) = b ~ (a % c) with mirror version (and adjusted types): 4: (a % b) ~ c = (a ~ c) % b Do these have a name? As an example, `Set.insert` and `Set.union` obey property 3 for all values of a, b and c. There are also symmetrically-typed examples of these operators, but the Set operations are easy and familiar. Thanks, Neil. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Names for properties of operators
Hi Neil, You wrote: [...] Is there a name for this property, which I'm numbering 1, (where (%) :: a - b - b; i.e. the operator is potentially, but not necessarily, asymmetrically typed): 1: a % (b % c) = b % (a % c) I don't know any snappy names for this, but the following might help to reveal some structure. Pick some specific (but arbitrary) types: (%) :: A - B - B And some values: x, y :: A z :: B f, g :: B - B f = (x%) g = (y%) Then: x % (y % z) == f (g z) == (f . g) z y % (x % z) == g (f z) == (g . f) z So (%) has property 1 iff the sub-monoid of Endo [1], which is generated by Endo (x%) forall x :: A, is commutative. Property 3 is the same, but with a larger generator set. Note that in your examples, the sub-monoid generated by insert+union is just the same as that generated by insert alone (assuming no infinite sets). This particular sub-monoid also happens to be a bounded join-semilattice (isomorphic to the finite subsets of A), which also makes it idempotent. Regards, Matthew [1]http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/src/Data-Monoid.html#Endo ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
