Re: Shall the Haskell Report remain in LaTeX?

[Doug McIlroy]

> The good thing about laTeX is that out of all the candidates it is the
> most likely one to still work 40 years from now,

If past results are any measure of future performance, the only
candidate with demonstrated 40-year longevity is troff/groff :)

Doug McIlroy
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Re: Shall the Haskell Report remain in LaTeX?

[Henrik Nilsson]

Yes, I see no benefits moving from LaTeX. So remain LaTeX.

/Henrik




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Re: Shall the Haskell Report remain in LaTeX?

[Carter Schonwald]

agreed

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:37 AM, John Wiegley 
wrote:

> > "DS" == Doaitse Swierstra  writes:
>
> SD> The good thing about laTeX is that out of all the candidates it is the
> SD> most likely one to still work 40 years from now,
>
> +1 from me for LaTeX as well.
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Re: Shall the Haskell Report remain in LaTeX?

[John Wiegley]

> "DS" == Doaitse Swierstra  writes:

SD> The good thing about laTeX is that out of all the candidates it is the
SD> most likely one to still work 40 years from now,

+1 from me for LaTeX as well.

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Re: Shall the Haskell Report remain in LaTeX?

[Doaitse Swierstra]

The good thing about laTeX is that out of all the candidates it is the most 
likely one to still work 40 years from now,

Doaitse



> Op 9 sep. 2017, om 15:40  heeft Herbert Valerio Riedel  
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hello *,
> 
> On 2017-09-08 at 00:46:52 +0200, Mario Blazevic wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> If the report was written in reStructuredText we could simply use
>>> something like the readthedocs.org service. But since it's LaTeX, we
>>> have to do a little bit more work to publishes ("deploys" in newspeak)
>>> .pdf drafts somewhere else, but it's doable.
>>> 
>>> I can take care to set it up, if it's clear what kind of CI/CD we want.
> 
>> Is the current publishing system really that difficult?
> 
> No, it's not that bad, it's just that there likely won't be a service
> that'll work out of the box with GitHub integration like readthedocs...
> 
>> To my grizzled ears, this sounds like you're fishing for a volunteer
>> to translate LaTeX to ReST. I'd actually be willing to do that, as I
>> have plenty of experience with text transformations, but I'd need a
>> buy-in from everybody.
> 
> ...but I wouldn't go as far as to suggest this is reason enough to
> translate the report into .rst
> 
> I guess I was rather trying to fish for some commitment that we want in
> fact to stay with LaTeX; I was planning to pick up where I left things
> in 2015 and clean up/refactor the TeX text and also investigate what our
> current options are to generate state-of-the-art .pdf, .html and .epub
> output. And I'd like to avoid this resulting a waste of effort in case
> we decide to move away from LaTeX in the foreseeable future...
> 
> Long story short, is everyone ok to stay with (La)TeX, or is there some
> compelling reason that would justify migrating to a different
> documentation system?
> 
> -- hvr
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Re: Shall the Haskell Report remain in LaTeX?

[Mario Blažević]

On 2017-10-31 05:28 AM, Nicolas Wu wrote:

It’s a yes from me for us to be using LaTeX, but I think it might be useful to 
use lhs2TeX to generate the LaTeX.

lhs2TeX makes it possible for us to write literate Haskell files as the source 
to the Report, which in turn allows us to type-check much of the code we write, 
which is nice.



	If we agree to use lhs2TeX, we can migrate the Haskell code fragments 
incrementally, after we check in the existing report. I suppose that 
would be just another RFC pull request, so feel free to submit it.




Best wishes,

Nick




On 30 Oct 2017, at 15:39, Mario Blažević  wrote:

On 2017-09-09 09:40 AM, Herbert Valerio Riedel wrote:

Long story short, is everyone ok to stay with (La)TeX, or is there some
compelling reason that would justify migrating to a different
documentation system?



Since nobody said no in the 7 weeks since, I think it's safe to assume yes. Can 
we proceed with this now?

Once the report is a part of the RFCs repository, I assume it will become the 
proper home that pull requests https://github.com/haskell/haskell-report/pull/3 
(if also accompanied by an RFC).


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Re: Shall the Haskell Report remain in LaTeX?

[Nicolas Wu]

It’s a yes from me for us to be using LaTeX, but I think it might be useful to 
use lhs2TeX to generate the LaTeX.

lhs2TeX makes it possible for us to write literate Haskell files as the source 
to the Report, which in turn allows us to type-check much of the code we write, 
which is nice.

Best wishes,

Nick



> On 30 Oct 2017, at 15:39, Mario Blažević  wrote:
> 
> On 2017-09-09 09:40 AM, Herbert Valerio Riedel wrote:
>> Long story short, is everyone ok to stay with (La)TeX, or is there some
>> compelling reason that would justify migrating to a different
>> documentation system?
> 
> 
> Since nobody said no in the 7 weeks since, I think it's safe to assume yes. 
> Can we proceed with this now?
> 
> Once the report is a part of the RFCs repository, I assume it will become the 
> proper home that pull requests 
> https://github.com/haskell/haskell-report/pull/3 (if also accompanied by an 
> RFC).
> 
> 
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Re: Shall the Haskell Report remain in LaTeX?

[Mario Blažević]

On 2017-09-09 09:40 AM, Herbert Valerio Riedel wrote:

Long story short, is everyone ok to stay with (La)TeX, or is there some
compelling reason that would justify migrating to a different
documentation system?



Since nobody said no in the 7 weeks since, I think it's safe to assume 
yes. Can we proceed with this now?


Once the report is a part of the RFCs repository, I assume it will 
become the proper home that pull requests 
https://github.com/haskell/haskell-report/pull/3 (if also accompanied by 
an RFC).



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Re: Shall the Haskell Report remain in LaTeX?

[Carter Schonwald]

I personally kinda enjoy latex.  Granted that's assuming it's well written
:)

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:41 PM Herbert Valerio Riedel 
wrote:

> Hello *,
>
> On 2017-09-08 at 00:46:52 +0200, Mario Blazevic wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> If the report was written in reStructuredText we could simply use
> >> something like the readthedocs.org service. But since it's LaTeX, we
> >> have to do a little bit more work to publishes ("deploys" in newspeak)
> >> .pdf drafts somewhere else, but it's doable.
> >>
> >> I can take care to set it up, if it's clear what kind of CI/CD we want.
>
> > Is the current publishing system really that difficult?
>
> No, it's not that bad, it's just that there likely won't be a service
> that'll work out of the box with GitHub integration like readthedocs...
>
> > To my grizzled ears, this sounds like you're fishing for a volunteer
> > to translate LaTeX to ReST. I'd actually be willing to do that, as I
> > have plenty of experience with text transformations, but I'd need a
> > buy-in from everybody.
>
> ...but I wouldn't go as far as to suggest this is reason enough to
> translate the report into .rst
>
> I guess I was rather trying to fish for some commitment that we want in
> fact to stay with LaTeX; I was planning to pick up where I left things
> in 2015 and clean up/refactor the TeX text and also investigate what our
> current options are to generate state-of-the-art .pdf, .html and .epub
> output. And I'd like to avoid this resulting a waste of effort in case
> we decide to move away from LaTeX in the foreseeable future...
>
> Long story short, is everyone ok to stay with (La)TeX, or is there some
> compelling reason that would justify migrating to a different
> documentation system?
>
> -- hvr
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