Re: Gregorian date in Hebrew characters
Descriptive notes: 1) I can't think of a rule or RI that requires a note like the one Heidi is proposing to justify the transcription of a date which is not in any way problematic. We seldom see Gregorian dates expressed in Hebrew characters, which may make this one initially confusing, but not ultimately so. 2) There is no reason to put such a date in brackets. Brackets would imply that the date is being supplied from some source other than the title page, and it is not. 3) If the cataloger (Heidi) wants to call attention to the odd formulation of the date, no particular form of words describing the situation is required. Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/12/2005 5:46:26 PM Dear Heidi and dear group, ... It is my understanding, that you need a 500 note to justify the date you are giving in the 260. Whether the Hebrew characters, used by the printer to give the date of printing, lead to a date valid in the Hebrew calendar or the Gregorian calendar is theoretically not relevant here, IMHO. So, one point of view might be that you don't need to put a 500 note at all, just put your date in brackets. Your question itself indicates that you want draw the attention of the future user of your bib record that the civil calendar was used, and not the Jewish one. It is not every day that a Hebrew book, dated 1617, uses the Gregorian calendar. So, I would agree that you should draw the attention of the reader. I would construct my note as following: The date of publication given in Hebrew characters [on t.p. _ if relevant_ ] is for the Gregorian calendar. Requesting again your indulgence, - r. Sources consulted: lccn 90209190, 90208626, 84129293 Dictionary for the term chronogram - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Roger Kohn Cataloger, Hebraica Team Library of Congress LS/CAT/RCCD/HB (4384) LM 537 Washington, D.C. 20540-4384 (202) 707-3997 Opinions expressed are those of the author, and are not official statements by the Library of Congress. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/2005 15:11:17 Dear Group, I would like some help constructing a note. I have the Gregorian date 1617 in Hebrew characters alef,tav,resh,yud,Zayin. Would I say something like title page for Ketuvim has date of printing 1617 in Hebrew characters.? Thanks, Heidi Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford Univ. Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: 650-725-9953 fax:650-725-1120
Re: Gregorian date in Hebrew characters
This is probably not a very elegant solution but consider taking various letter combinations such as: tav-tav-tav-tav -yod-zayin or tav-tav-shin-shin-resh-yod-zayin or any creative alphabet combination that would total to 1617 to formulate a catchy phrase. Your imagination and time is your limit ... Benjamin Fryser Senior Cataloger Specialist Library of Congress Regional Cooperative Cataloging Washington, D.C. 20540 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/2005 15:11:17 Dear Group, I would like some help constructing a note. I have the Gregorian date 1617 in Hebrew characters alef,tav,resh,yud,Zayin. Would I say something like title page for Ketuvim has date of printing 1617 in Hebrew characters.? Thanks, Heidi Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford Univ. Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: 650-725-9953 fax:650-725-1120
Gregorian date in Hebrew characters
*- Dear Heidi and dear group, I am not a descriptive cataloger, so I request your indulgence. My disclaimer, opinions expressed are those of the author, and are not official statements by the Library of Congress, is fully valid here. It is my understanding, that you need a 500 note to justify the date you are giving in the 260. Whether the Hebrew characters, used by the printer to give the date of printing, lead to a date valid in the Hebrew calendar or the Gregorian calendar is theoretically not relevant here, IMHO. So, one point of view might be that you don't need to put a 500 note at all, just put your date in brackets. Your question itself indicates that you want draw the attention of the future user of your bib record that the civil calendar was used, and not the Jewish one. It is not every day that a Hebrew book, dated 1617, uses the Gregorian calendar. So, I would agree that you should draw the attention of the reader. I would construct my note as following: The date of publication given in Hebrew characters [on t.p. _ if relevant_ ] is for the Gregorian calendar. Requesting again your indulgence, - r. Sources consulted: lccn 90209190, 90208626, 84129293 Dictionary for the term chronogram - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Roger Kohn Cataloger, Hebraica Team Library of Congress LS/CAT/RCCD/HB (4384) LM 537 Washington, D.C. 20540-4384 (202) 707-3997 Opinions expressed are those of the author, and are not official statements by the Library of Congress. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/2005 15:11:17 Dear Group, I would like some help constructing a note. I have the Gregorian date 1617 in Hebrew characters alef,tav,resh,yud,Zayin. Would I say something like title page for Ketuvim has date of printing 1617 in Hebrew characters.? Thanks, Heidi Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford Univ. Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: 650-725-9953 fax:650-725-1120
