RE: Hebrew equivalent for et al.
I think, though I may be wrong, that ve-khu. is more like et cetera, meaning and other things, than like et al. meaning and other people. Anyway, the list in AACR2 is The List, as far as LC is concerned. For what that's worth to any other library. Joan Cliff Miller clmil...@jtsa.edu 02/01/10 1:17 PM The abbreviation appendix in Even Shoshan dictionary Explains vav khaf vav yod With the Aramaic ve-khule And the Hebrew phrase Ve-khen ha-she'ar. Sounds exactly like et al. to me. Clifford B Miller -Original Message- From: owner-heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu [mailto:owner-heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:42 PM To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I think that the best to use would be [.va-a.herim] Heidi - Original Message - From: Sharon Benamou bena...@library.ucla.edu To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:21:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I am having a hard time finding Hebrew abbreviations. If I have a work of mixed responsibility and need to use an [et al.] in the 245, what is the equivalent to be used in the Hebrew script field? AACR2 has the abbreviation for un andere, but not for the Hebrew. Thanks, Sharon Sharon Benamou Hebraica/Judaica and Music Catalog Librarian Email: bena...@library.ucla.edu Phone: (310) 825-8642 Fax: (310) 794-9357 -- Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Metadata Development Unit Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120
Re: Hebrew equivalent for et al.
I agree: ve-khule וכולי means (or is used as): etc. For et al. the Israeli libraries are using ואחרים va-aherim (I know that American Judaica librarians will not accept what their Israeli colleagues are doing but Israeli librarians have more experience with Hebraica bibliographic records then others) Yossi Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschlaeger Head, Hebraica Jewish Studies Library 355A Thompson Memorial Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Ave. Mall Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu or jgal...@gmail.com Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 URL: http://library.osu.edu/about/departments/jewish-studies/ Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://hebrewlit.notlong.com On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Joan C Biella j...@loc.gov wrote: I think, though I may be wrong, that ve-khu. is more like et cetera, meaning and other things, than like et al. meaning and other people. Anyway, the list in AACR2 is The List, as far as LC is concerned. For what that's worth to any other library. Joan Cliff Miller clmil...@jtsa.edu 02/01/10 1:17 PM The abbreviation appendix in Even Shoshan dictionary Explains vav khaf vav yod With the Aramaic ve-khule And the Hebrew phrase Ve-khen ha-she'ar. Sounds exactly like et al. to me. Clifford B Miller -Original Message- From: owner-heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu [mailto:owner-heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:42 PM To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I think that the best to use would be [.va-a.herim] Heidi - Original Message - From: Sharon Benamou bena...@library.ucla.edu To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:21:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I am having a hard time finding Hebrew abbreviations. If I have a work of mixed responsibility and need to use an [et al.] in the 245, what is the equivalent to be used in the Hebrew script field? AACR2 has the abbreviation for un andere, but not for the Hebrew. Thanks, Sharon Sharon Benamou Hebraica/Judaica and Music Catalog Librarian Email: bena...@library.ucla.edu Phone: (310) 825-8642 Fax: (310) 794-9357 -- Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Metadata Development Unit Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120
Re: Hebrew equivalent for et al.
I'm not sure what experience has to do with it? We're following rules, inappropriate though they may be in some situations. Joan Yossi Galron jgal...@gmail.com 02/03/10 11:21 AM I agree: ve-khule וכולי means (or is used as): etc. For et al. the Israeli libraries are using ואחרים va-aherim (I know that American Judaica librarians will not accept what their Israeli colleagues are doing but Israeli librarians have more experience with Hebraica bibliographic records then others) Yossi Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschlaeger Head, Hebraica Jewish Studies Library 355A Thompson Memorial Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Ave. Mall Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu or jgal...@gmail.com Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 URL: http://library.osu.edu/about/departments/jewish-studies/ Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://hebrewlit.notlong.com On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Joan C Biella j...@loc.gov wrote: I think, though I may be wrong, that ve-khu. is more like et cetera, meaning and other things, than like et al. meaning and other people. Anyway, the list in AACR2 is The List, as far as LC is concerned. For what that's worth to any other library. Joan Cliff Miller clmil...@jtsa.edu 02/01/10 1:17 PM The abbreviation appendix in Even Shoshan dictionary Explains vav khaf vav yod With the Aramaic ve-khule And the Hebrew phrase Ve-khen ha-she'ar. Sounds exactly like et al. to me. Clifford B Miller -Original Message- From: owner-heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu [mailto:owner-heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:42 PM To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I think that the best to use would be [.va-a.herim] Heidi - Original Message - From: Sharon Benamou bena...@library.ucla.edu To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:21:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I am having a hard time finding Hebrew abbreviations. If I have a work of mixed responsibility and need to use an [et al.] in the 245, what is the equivalent to be used in the Hebrew script field? AACR2 has the abbreviation for un andere, but not for the Hebrew. Thanks, Sharon Sharon Benamou Hebraica/Judaica and Music Catalog Librarian Email: bena...@library.ucla.edu Phone: (310) 825-8642 Fax: (310) 794-9357 -- Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Metadata Development Unit Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120
Re: Hebrew equivalent for et al.
For what it's worth, LC interprets AACR2 in a very literal way. Because it doesn't list a Hebrew abbreviation for et al. in the Appendix on Abbreviations, we don't use one. We use [et al.], in roman script, in both roman and nonroman fields. Joan Heidi G Lerner ler...@stanford.edu 01/30/10 1:42 AM I think that the best to use would be [.va-a.herim] Heidi - Original Message - From: Sharon Benamou bena...@library.ucla.edu To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:21:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I am having a hard time finding Hebrew abbreviations. If I have a work of mixed responsibility and need to use an [et al.] in the 245, what is the equivalent to be used in the Hebrew script field? AACR2 has the abbreviation for un andere, but not for the Hebrew. Thanks, Sharon Sharon Benamou Hebraica/Judaica and Music Catalog Librarian Email: bena...@library.ucla.edu Phone: (310) 825-8642 Fax: (310) 794-9357 -- Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Metadata Development Unit Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120
RE: Hebrew equivalent for et al.
The abbreviation appendix in Even Shoshan dictionary Explains vav khaf vav yod With the Aramaic ve-khule And the Hebrew phrase Ve-khen ha-she'ar. Sounds exactly like et al. to me. Clifford B Miller -Original Message- From: owner-heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu [mailto:owner-heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:42 PM To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I think that the best to use would be [.va-a.herim] Heidi - Original Message - From: Sharon Benamou bena...@library.ucla.edu To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:21:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I am having a hard time finding Hebrew abbreviations. If I have a work of mixed responsibility and need to use an [et al.] in the 245, what is the equivalent to be used in the Hebrew script field? AACR2 has the abbreviation for un andere, but not for the Hebrew. Thanks, Sharon Sharon Benamou Hebraica/Judaica and Music Catalog Librarian Email: bena...@library.ucla.edu Phone: (310) 825-8642 Fax: (310) 794-9357 -- Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Metadata Development Unit Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120
Re: Hebrew equivalent for et al.
I think that the best to use would be [.va-a.herim] Heidi - Original Message - From: Sharon Benamou bena...@library.ucla.edu To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:21:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Hebrew equivalent for et al. I am having a hard time finding Hebrew abbreviations. If I have a work of mixed responsibility and need to use an [et al.] in the 245, what is the equivalent to be used in the Hebrew script field? AACR2 has the abbreviation for un andere, but not for the Hebrew. Thanks, Sharon Sharon Benamou Hebraica/Judaica and Music Catalog Librarian Email: bena...@library.ucla.edu Phone: (310) 825-8642 Fax: (310) 794-9357 -- Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Metadata Development Unit Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120
