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2002-03-01 Thread stanv




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Re: Help Installation

2002-03-01 Thread Oystein Viggen

* [Schmidt Péter] 

> I have read the cross-install method from (Debian) Linux,
> but, if I understand well,
> I can boot from H3_1 CD ROM image,
> and install everything from the CD ROM, can I?

If your BIOS supports booting from CD ROM, this will work very well
indeed.

I personally think installing using a tarball from Linux is the easiest
way, though.  Especially for older computers that either don't have a CD
ROM drive or where the BIOS is too old to boot from CD.

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installation

2002-03-01 Thread Peter McAlpine

hi!

I've tried the HURD a couple of times, and could never get past
this. I've cross-installed, and have run the network config
command. For some reason, though, I can ONLY connect to my nameserv.

For example, if I ping them, I get a reply right away, no
problem... BUT ... if I try to ping, say, www.google.com, I get
google's ip no problem (cuz my nameserv gave me it), but BOOM! 100%
packet loss.

if you could help me out with this, it'd be greatly appreciated. I'm
facinated with the hurd, and am looking forward to adding my newbiness
to it.

h... a lesser problem I have is with emacs(20). For some reason,
only some of the commands work. C-n works fine... but C-u only sets
the mark... so C-u C-n still only moves done one line. Anyone know of
a fix for this aside from remapping all the commands (I think that my
meta button isn't working nicely either).

OH YEA, one more. is there some way to remap the window button to a
CR? I type on dvorak (which I've already figured out in hurd, thank
you) and would like to be able to pull off those quick "ls "s. =)

thanks in advance!
Peter McAlpinetn


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Re: Looking for Debian/Hurd packages

2002-03-01 Thread Ludovic Courtès

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 07:05:44PM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 06:35:06PM +0100, Oystein Viggen wrote:
> > OK.  I thought there would be symlinks in binary-hurd-i386 anyway?
> 
> No.

So we should look only at pool/, right?

I'm actually looking for XFree 4. The pool/main/x/xfree86 contains several
packages that resemble an X server. However, I'm wondering why
the x-window-system* are ending in `_all'? I guess this suffix means that
it can fit any architecture, but I don't quite get how the X server itself
could be architecture independant.

There is also an xfree86-common-..._all as well as an xfs-..._hurd-i386.
Is the last one the actual X server? Are all of them required?

Thanks,
Ludovic.

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Re: Help Installation

2002-03-01 Thread Marco Parrone

> * What is the difference between G1, H1, H2 and H3 CD ROM images
>   at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/hurd/contrib/iso ?

The H3 images are the newer (it is like a version number).

> * What would be more rapide method?:
>   - Installing Debian GNU/Hurd
>   - Installing GNU/Hurd from CD ROM image

The CD images contain Debian GNU/Hurd.
Downloading the images will take much time.

For more informations see
http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/
http://hurd.gnu.org/
http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/

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Re: Help Installation

2002-03-01 Thread Oystein Viggen

* [Schmidt Péter] 

> * What is the difference between G1, H1, H2 and H3 CD ROM images
>   at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/hurd/contrib/iso ?

Basically, letters further out in the alphabet are better, and for
releases with the same number, higher numbers are better.  H3 is the
newest one.

> * What would be more rapide method?:
>   - Installing Debian GNU/Hurd
>   - Installing GNU/Hurd from CD ROM image

The CD ROM images are Debian GNU/Hurd images.  If your computer can boot
from CD, installing from CD is nice.  I _think_ you can boot from a
floppy and still install from CD, but I don't really remember.  You can
find installation instructions at 
http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/install.html >

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2002-03-01 Thread Schmidt Péter


I'm watching ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/
I can make difference between old tarball and floppy image well:
grub-boot-VERSION.tar.gz
grub-boot-VERSION.image

But what is what between the latest versions?:
grub-0.91.tar.gz
grub-0.91-i386-pc.tar.gz
grub-0.91-i386-pc.ext2fs



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Re: first install

2002-03-01 Thread Marcus Brinkmann

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:37:15AM +0100, Jean-Roch Sotty wrote:
>   The gnumach boots and then booting I get a message from serverboot :
> Loading single multiboot module in compat mode : /boot/serverboot.gz
> (this is ok but ...)
> (serverboot) : terminating, not beccoming default pager.
> 
>   So I wandered if it was a normal behavior. Have I missed something in grub 
> (config from sample menu file) ?
>   I suppose someone knows here.

Yes, it is normal behaviour and correct.  I think at some time we might garbage
collect such debug messages, but currently they are helpful for us in case we
made a mistake.

As you might see from the first message ("compat mode"), using serverboot
is the old way of doing things.  In the old days, serverboot was the default
pager of the Hurd system, too (and you can specify a paging device in the
servers.boot config file).  But we wanted to get rid of serverboot, as it is
too monolithic and redundant (contains filesystem parsing code etc, eg what
grub already can do much better).  So Roland wrote a new default pager,
mach-pager, which is started in /libexec/rc as the first thing we do.
This default pager is more powerful, too (you can add and remove paging
devices and files on the fly).  But to actually be able to use it,
serverboot must not become the default pager, so we configure it in
servers.boot to not do so but to terminate.  What it does, as you noticed :)

(You can get rid of serverboot completely by changing your grub configuration).

If you have more questions, feel free to ask!

Thanks,
Marcus
 

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first install

2002-03-01 Thread Jean-Roch Sotty

Hello help-hurd list,

So I've installed the hurd with iso cd's from 
ftp.gnu.org/gnu/hurd/contrib/iso/hurd-H3/ (I just had to untar the baseHurd.tgz 
from linux but it's not a matter).
The gnumach boots and then booting I get a message from serverboot :
Loading single multiboot module in compat mode : /boot/serverboot.gz
(this is ok but ...)
(serverboot) : terminating, not beccoming default pager.

So I wandered if it was a normal behavior. Have I missed something in grub 
(config from sample menu file) ?
I suppose someone knows here.

Thanks for help.

PS: for info - I've used Debian (linux) for a year now and I just wanted to 
learn more about micro-kernels. So I'm not a newbie but on hurd I am :o) I can 
deal with the distro but I don't know much about the hurd.


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Université de Savoie
Secrétaire d'Alpinux
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Help Installation

2002-03-01 Thread Schmidt Péter


I have i486, 800+800+200 MB HDD developing platform.
(Mono monitor, ethernet-card, CD, floppy)

I want to install a stand-alone GNU/Hurd system on it.

My questions are:

* What is the difference between G1, H1, H2 and H3 CD ROM images
  at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/hurd/contrib/iso ?

* What would be more rapide method?:
  - Installing Debian GNU/Hurd
  - Installing GNU/Hurd from CD ROM image

I need GCC developer platform under GNU/Hurd.


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