Re: @smallverbatim
You are correct, it works. Missed the \setnormaldispenv in \envdef\verbatim. > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 3:31 PM > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-texinfo gnu" > Subject: Re: @smallverbatim > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 03:16:44PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > Have tried '@set dispenvsize small' for @quotation, @example, @display, > > @format. > > > > However, @verbatim is still using a large font. > > > > Did you update to the most recent texinfo.tex? Looks ok to me. > > \input texinfo > > normal > @set dispenvsize small > > @verbatim > a a > bb d > f ff > llm dsalk alke > @end verbatim > > normal > > @example > a a > bb d > f ff > llm dsalk alke > @end example > > @bye > >
Re: @smallverbatim
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 03:16:44PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > Have tried '@set dispenvsize small' for @quotation, @example, @display, > @format. > > However, @verbatim is still using a large font. > Did you update to the most recent texinfo.tex? Looks ok to me. \input texinfo normal @set dispenvsize small @verbatim a a bb d f ff llm dsalk alke @end verbatim normal @example a a bb d f ff llm dsalk alke @end example @bye
Re: @smallverbatim
> This would be a good idea if not for the fact that there > are already documents using @smallbook and they may use > an inconsistent mix of @smallexample and @example etc. One solution could be to have @smallbook set @example, etc. with a small size anyway. A warning can be added in the texinfo for people to remove calls to the @small versions and eventually remove their use after a year or so. I tend to find Warnings useful as I can go change my commands at the time I am modifying the files and running the texinfo programs. c* > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 2:58 PM > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-texinfo gnu" > Subject: Re: @smallverbatim > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 02:30:33PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > Yes, I confirm they are good and approve them being set > > by dafault. Do you mean I simply call @quotation > > rather than @smallquotation. It certainly makes things > > easier. Almost always I use @smallbook, and even for > > @smallbook, the small versions are also better. Can > > you see if they can be used by default as well for > > @smallbook. > > This would be a good idea if not for the fact that there > are already documents using @smallbook and they may use > an inconsistent mix of @smallexample and @example etc. > One thing you could do is add an extra line to your source > file, like: > > @smallbook > @set dispenvsize small > > Then you would not have to bother with writing @smallexample, etc. > > > > >
Re: @smallverbatim
Have tried '@set dispenvsize small' for @quotation, @example, @display, @format. However, @verbatim is still using a large font. > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 2:58 PM > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-texinfo gnu" > Subject: Re: @smallverbatim > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 02:30:33PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > Yes, I confirm they are good and approve them being set > > by dafault. Do you mean I simply call @quotation > > rather than @smallquotation. It certainly makes things > > easier. Almost always I use @smallbook, and even for > > @smallbook, the small versions are also better. Can > > you see if they can be used by default as well for > > @smallbook. > > This would be a good idea if not for the fact that there > are already documents using @smallbook and they may use > an inconsistent mix of @smallexample and @example etc. > One thing you could do is add an extra line to your source > file, like: > > @smallbook > @set dispenvsize small > > Then you would not have to bother with writing @smallexample, etc. > > > > >
Re: @smallverbatim
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 02:30:33PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > Yes, I confirm they are good and approve them being set > by dafault. Do you mean I simply call @quotation > rather than @smallquotation. It certainly makes things > easier. Almost always I use @smallbook, and even for > @smallbook, the small versions are also better. Can > you see if they can be used by default as well for > @smallbook. This would be a good idea if not for the fact that there are already documents using @smallbook and they may use an inconsistent mix of @smallexample and @example etc. One thing you could do is add an extra line to your source file, like: @smallbook @set dispenvsize small Then you would not have to bother with writing @smallexample, etc.
Re: @smallverbatim
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 02:45:38PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > Gavin, so what's left is to have @verbatim accept \smallword? No, you just use @verbatim and it will use a smaller font by default.
Re: @smallverbatim
Gavin, so what's left is to have @verbatim accept \smallword? > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 2:17 PM > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-texinfo gnu" > Subject: Re: @smallverbatim > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 01:33:36PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > Was not a request for consistency. I find the @small versions more useful > > because the customary one makes the text too big. For instance, a quotation > > is much better when using @smallquotation. > > > > I needed to use verbatim as it does not expand commands, but needed the > > small version. > > The latest version works quite well with @bsixpaper, IMHO, because > small fonts are on by default for @verbatim, @example, etc. and > the margin is reduced, so most existing uses of it are OK without > overlong lines. > > https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/texinfo/texinfo.tex >
Re: @smallverbatim
Yes, I confirm they are good and approve them being set by dafault. Do you mean I simply call @quotation rather than @smallquotation. It certainly makes things easier. Almost always I use @smallbook, and even for @smallbook, the small versions are also better. Can you see if they can be used by default as well for @smallbook. > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 2:17 PM > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-texinfo gnu" > Subject: Re: @smallverbatim > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 01:33:36PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > Was not a request for consistency. I find the @small versions more useful > > because the customary one makes the text too big. For instance, a quotation > > is much better when using @smallquotation. > > > > I needed to use verbatim as it does not expand commands, but needed the > > small version. > > The latest version works quite well with @bsixpaper, IMHO, because > small fonts are on by default for @verbatim, @example, etc. and > the margin is reduced, so most existing uses of it are OK without > overlong lines. > > https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/texinfo/texinfo.tex >
Re: @smallverbatim
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 01:33:36PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > Was not a request for consistency. I find the @small versions more useful > because the customary one makes the text too big. For instance, a quotation > is much better when using @smallquotation. > > I needed to use verbatim as it does not expand commands, but needed the > small version. The latest version works quite well with @bsixpaper, IMHO, because small fonts are on by default for @verbatim, @example, etc. and the margin is reduced, so most existing uses of it are OK without overlong lines. https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/texinfo/texinfo.tex
Re: @smallverbatim
Was not a request for consistency. I find the @small versions more useful
because the customary one makes the text too big. For instance, a quotation
is much better when using @smallquotation.
I needed to use verbatim as it does not expand commands, but needed the
small version.
> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 12:41 PM
> From: "Gavin Smith"
> To: "Christopher Dimech"
> Cc: "help-texinfo gnu"
> Subject: Re: @smallverbatim
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 02:37:01PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote:
> > Have been playing with @quotation, @example, @display, @format, @verbatim
> > and their small versions and found them all useful, particularly the small
> > versions.
> >
> > However, a small version of @verbatim is not present. It would help to also
> > have @smallverbatim.
>
> It could be done (although somebody would have to do the work for it). In
> my opinion, however, the @small... variants should never have been invented,
> and consistency is not a great argument for adding more commands.
>
> My preferred solution would be to use @small... variants unconditionally
> for certain page sizes.
>
> I know it is not very flexible, but texinfo.tex has never been very
> flexible.
>
> For example, for B6:
>
> diff --git a/doc/texinfo.tex b/doc/texinfo.tex
> index 6c5754f3d..fb9b69d58 100644
> --- a/doc/texinfo.tex
> +++ b/doc/texinfo.tex
> @@ -7663,13 +7663,13 @@ might help (with 'rm \jobname.?? \jobname.??s')%
>% without the active space; thus we have to use \xdef and \gobble.
>% The \egroup ends the \verbbox started at the end of the last line in
>% the block.
> \endgroup
> %
> \envdef\verbatim{%
> -\setupverbatim\doverbatim
> +\setnormaldispenv\setupverbatim\doverbatim
> }
> \let\Everbatim = \afterenvbreak
>
>
> % @verbatiminclude FILE - insert text of file in verbatim environment.
> %
> @@ -11489,12 +11489,13 @@ directory should work if nowhere else does.}
> \def\bsixpaper{{\globaldefs = 1
>\afourpaper
>\internalpagesizes{140mm}{100mm}%
> {-6.35mm}{-12.7mm}%
> {\bindingoffset}{14pt}%
> {176mm}{125mm}%
> + \let\SETdispenvsize=\smallword
>\globaldefs = 0
> }}
>
>
> % @pagesizes TEXTHEIGHT[,TEXTWIDTH]
>
>
Re: @smallverbatim
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 02:37:01PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote:
> Have been playing with @quotation, @example, @display, @format, @verbatim
> and their small versions and found them all useful, particularly the small
> versions.
>
> However, a small version of @verbatim is not present. It would help to also
> have @smallverbatim.
It could be done (although somebody would have to do the work for it). In
my opinion, however, the @small... variants should never have been invented,
and consistency is not a great argument for adding more commands.
My preferred solution would be to use @small... variants unconditionally
for certain page sizes.
I know it is not very flexible, but texinfo.tex has never been very
flexible.
For example, for B6:
diff --git a/doc/texinfo.tex b/doc/texinfo.tex
index 6c5754f3d..fb9b69d58 100644
--- a/doc/texinfo.tex
+++ b/doc/texinfo.tex
@@ -7663,13 +7663,13 @@ might help (with 'rm \jobname.?? \jobname.??s')%
% without the active space; thus we have to use \xdef and \gobble.
% The \egroup ends the \verbbox started at the end of the last line in
% the block.
\endgroup
%
\envdef\verbatim{%
-\setupverbatim\doverbatim
+\setnormaldispenv\setupverbatim\doverbatim
}
\let\Everbatim = \afterenvbreak
% @verbatiminclude FILE - insert text of file in verbatim environment.
%
@@ -11489,12 +11489,13 @@ directory should work if nowhere else does.}
\def\bsixpaper{{\globaldefs = 1
\afourpaper
\internalpagesizes{140mm}{100mm}%
{-6.35mm}{-12.7mm}%
{\bindingoffset}{14pt}%
{176mm}{125mm}%
+ \let\SETdispenvsize=\smallword
\globaldefs = 0
}}
% @pagesizes TEXTHEIGHT[,TEXTWIDTH]
@smallverbatim
Have been playing with @quotation, @example, @display, @format, @verbatim and their small versions and found them all useful, particularly the small versions. However, a small version of @verbatim is not present. It would help to also have @smallverbatim. Regards Christopher
