Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 12:18:41PM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > I found that starting a new line, like > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, > Probabilistic Characterisation of Microseismicity} > > worked with texi2any, but not with TeX. Works with TeX now with commit 73f61c705. > As usual with macro handling in Texinfo, this is not easy to fix, and > any fix risks breaking something else. There is an @xeatspaces macro > being used around macro arguments that is not being expanded until > quite late on, which might be better expanded earlier with a given > value of active newline, but it would be very complicated if not > impossible to expand this earlier without fully expanding the macro > arguments at the same time (probably some complex arrangement of > \expandafter's which would differ depending on the number of macro > arguments, or repeatedly reading the argument text as a macro argument > and moving expanded arguments one by one to the end). Even if it's > possible it's probably better not to try as it would be error-prone > and hard to understand after the fact. I didn't follow this approach but I think it is possible. The definition of \parsemargdef could build up a definition like \eatspaces{#1},\eatspaces{#2}... as it builds up \paramlist. This would have to be completely expanded though at some point before \scantokens runs... so this idea would need more work. The code for @macro's with 10 or more arguments also looked interesting, although I've never understood how that code worked (never tested it either).
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
> @section{Strong amplitude asymmetries between the Retarded Causal Branch@ > and the Advanced Anti-Causal contribution to the Coherence Function} Aside from anything else ... supporting braces seems like the cleanest way to support multiline section names, if that's something you want to work on :). This could be detected as different from the existing "rest of the line" argument in both tex and makeinfo, though presumably not without plenty of pain. --best, karl.
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 10:05:58PM +0200, Patrice Dumas wrote: > On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 01:47:54PM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > > @chapter Amplitude Asymmetry in the Empirical Green Function Amplitude@ > > Asymmetry > > > > However, the line continuation with the @NL command doesn't work with > > texi2any, producing output like: > > > > --- > > 1 Amplitude Asymmetry in the Empirical Green Function Amplitude > > > > > > Asymmetry > > --- > > In texi2any, and probably to be compatible with makeinfo, @NL is only a > continuation character in @def*. Yes, that is what is documented as well - if it works in TeX, it is only by accident.
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 01:47:54PM +0100, Gavin Smith wrote: > @chapter Amplitude Asymmetry in the Empirical Green Function Amplitude@ > Asymmetry > > However, the line continuation with the @NL command doesn't work with > texi2any, producing output like: > > --- > 1 Amplitude Asymmetry in the Empirical Green Function Amplitude > > > Asymmetry > --- In texi2any, and probably to be compatible with makeinfo, @NL is only a continuation character in @def*. I am not 100% sure, but it is possible that it simply suppresses the NL in @def* but does not insert a space. -- Pat
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 08:27:33PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote: > Have done some more tests and the \par problem extends also to multiline > titles for @chapter, @section, @subsection, and @subsubsec. > > For users, using @ at the end of each line is acceptable. It also gets > the correct title alignments. Using DEL character is not a good strategy > for users. > > @chapter{Amplitude Asymmetry in the Empirical Green Function Amplitude@ > Asymmetry} > > @section{Strong amplitude asymmetries between the Retarded Causal Branch@ > and the Advanced Anti-Causal contribution to the Coherence Function} The braces here are incorrect, it should just be @chapter Amplitude Asymmetry in the Empirical Green Function Amplitude@ Asymmetry However, the line continuation with the @NL command doesn't work with texi2any, producing output like: --- 1 Amplitude Asymmetry in the Empirical Green Function Amplitude Asymmetry ---
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
Have done some more tests and the \par problem extends also to multiline titles for @chapter, @section, @subsection, and @subsubsec. For users, using @ at the end of each line is acceptable. It also gets the correct title alignments. Using DEL character is not a good strategy for users. @chapter{Amplitude Asymmetry in the Empirical Green Function Amplitude@ Asymmetry} @section{Strong amplitude asymmetries between the Retarded Causal Branch@ and the Advanced Anti-Causal contribution to the Coherence Function} Allowing Multiline titles would be a good improvement to Texinfo, especially for users to write on complicated topics, books, etc. One possible solution could include the addition of a Title Construction Function one can call, which would allow multiline titles to be properly passed to sections and subsections, including the unnumbered versions. I have previously constructed macros with several arguments. My experience has been that parameter values are being passed correctly even if they continue for several lines. Might need to write some small examples and send them, to see that works and what does not. Regards Christopher > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2020 at 6:02 PM > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-texinfo gnu" > Subject: Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 2:32 PM Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > > > > With the following code it worked > > > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of@ > > Microseismicity} > > Yes, that would look like it would work, as there is a single letter > control sequence "@NL" where NL is a newline character (see info node > "(texinfo)Multiple Spaces"). > > > But you are saying that it code breaks using a macro > > inside an environment like @example. > > > > However, relating to sections and subsections, @uSubSec > > won't be called in side an example. > > Yes, but other macros may be. > > > Can one do multiline titles using @unnumberedsec? > > This is not supported and if it works, it works by accident. > > > Does the multiline thing fail when using macros, or is the problem > > only related to defining sections? > > It is because the @unnumberedsec command takes its argument on a single line. >
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 2:32 PM Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > With the following code it worked > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of@ > Microseismicity} Yes, that would look like it would work, as there is a single letter control sequence "@NL" where NL is a newline character (see info node "(texinfo)Multiple Spaces"). > But you are saying that it code breaks using a macro > inside an environment like @example. > > However, relating to sections and subsections, @uSubSec > won't be called in side an example. Yes, but other macros may be. > Can one do multiline titles using @unnumberedsec? This is not supported and if it works, it works by accident. > Does the multiline thing fail when using macros, or is the problem > only related to defining sections? It is because the @unnumberedsec command takes its argument on a single line.
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:28 PM Christopher Dimech wrote: > > I have now tried > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of^? > Microseismicity} > > But this is giving me the following output in my pdf file. > As seen, the ^? is being printed It is not the two characters "^?"; it is just one character. I am sending a file attachment. snippet Description: Binary data
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
I have now tried @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of^? Microseismicity} But this is giving me the following output in my pdf file. As seen, the ^? is being printed B Probabilistic Characterisation of^? Microseismicity And the Table of Contents is showing B Probabilistic Characterisation of^?\par Microseismicity . . . . . . . . 5 > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2020 at 12:18 PM > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-texinfo gnu" > Subject: Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > > > > I have written the macro uSubSec > > > > However I have found that a \par is introduced in the Table of Contents > > when the title continues on the next line. How can this problem be solved? > > > > Example: > > > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of > > Microseismicity} > > > > @macro uSubSec{label, titl} > > > > @set lb \label\ > > @ifclear USubSec--No--Label > > @unnumberedsubsec @value{lb} @ \titl\ > > @end ifclear > > > > @ifset USubSec--No--Label > > @unnumberedsubsec \titl\ > > @end ifset > > > > @end macro > > Your input does not work with texi2any either, although in that case > the part of the argument on the next line is not even included in the > argument to @unnumberedsubsec. Hence, I do not think that this should > be made to work with TeX. > > The best solution I've come up with is to use DEL as a comment > character. (I've never seen a use for this before!) > > \input texinfo > > @macro uSubSec{label, titl} > > @set lb \label\ > @unnumberedsubsec @value{lb} @ \titl\ > > @end macro > > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic ^? > Characterisation of Microseismicity} > > > where ^? is the DEL character (byte value 0x7f). This appears to work > perfectly with both texinfo.tex and texi2any. > > I found that starting a new line, like > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, > Probabilistic Characterisation of Microseismicity} > > worked with texi2any, but not with TeX. > > As usual with macro handling in Texinfo, this is not easy to fix, and > any fix risks breaking something else. There is an @xeatspaces macro > being used around macro arguments that is not being expanded until > quite late on, which might be better expanded earlier with a given > value of active newline, but it would be very complicated if not > impossible to expand this earlier without fully expanding the macro > arguments at the same time (probably some complex arrangement of > \expandafter's which would differ depending on the number of macro > arguments, or repeatedly reading the argument text as a macro argument > and moving expanded arguments one by one to the end). Even if it's > possible it's probably better not to try as it would be error-prone > and hard to understand after the fact. > > Another option was changing the definition of active newline away from > @par to a space or an empty string, but this broke using a macro > inside an environment like @example. >
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
I have also implemented the following macro @macro InlRmk{a} @ifset Margi @b{\a\} @end ifset @end macro And I was able to call the macro with multiline information, including commas (no need to use @comma{}) and everything is being written @InlRmk{@bullet{} [1] This Work - Waveforms from Sicilian Stations [2] Hidden Signals - Revealed by Hilbert, Stockwell & Wavelet Tfm [3] Improve Subsurface Estimn - Irregular Distribution of Earthqk, Low Tectonic Movements.} > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2020 at 12:18 PM > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-texinfo gnu" > Subject: Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > > > > I have written the macro uSubSec > > > > However I have found that a \par is introduced in the Table of Contents > > when the title continues on the next line. How can this problem be solved? > > > > Example: > > > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of > > Microseismicity} > > > > @macro uSubSec{label, titl} > > > > @set lb \label\ > > @ifclear USubSec--No--Label > > @unnumberedsubsec @value{lb} @ \titl\ > > @end ifclear > > > > @ifset USubSec--No--Label > > @unnumberedsubsec \titl\ > > @end ifset > > > > @end macro > > Your input does not work with texi2any either, although in that case > the part of the argument on the next line is not even included in the > argument to @unnumberedsubsec. Hence, I do not think that this should > be made to work with TeX. > > The best solution I've come up with is to use DEL as a comment > character. (I've never seen a use for this before!) > > \input texinfo > > @macro uSubSec{label, titl} > > @set lb \label\ > @unnumberedsubsec @value{lb} @ \titl\ > > @end macro > > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic ^? > Characterisation of Microseismicity} > > > where ^? is the DEL character (byte value 0x7f). This appears to work > perfectly with both texinfo.tex and texi2any. > > I found that starting a new line, like > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, > Probabilistic Characterisation of Microseismicity} > > worked with texi2any, but not with TeX. > > As usual with macro handling in Texinfo, this is not easy to fix, and > any fix risks breaking something else. There is an @xeatspaces macro > being used around macro arguments that is not being expanded until > quite late on, which might be better expanded earlier with a given > value of active newline, but it would be very complicated if not > impossible to expand this earlier without fully expanding the macro > arguments at the same time (probably some complex arrangement of > \expandafter's which would differ depending on the number of macro > arguments, or repeatedly reading the argument text as a macro argument > and moving expanded arguments one by one to the end). Even if it's > possible it's probably better not to try as it would be error-prone > and hard to understand after the fact. > > Another option was changing the definition of active newline away from > @par to a space or an empty string, but this broke using a macro > inside an environment like @example. >
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
With the following code it worked @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of@ Microseismicity} But you are saying that it code breaks using a macro inside an environment like @example. However, relating to sections and subsections, @uSubSec won't be called in side an example. Can one do multiline titles using @unnumberedsec? Does the multiline thing fail when using macros, or is the problem only related to defining sections? > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2020 at 12:18 PM > From: "Gavin Smith" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: "help-texinfo gnu" > Subject: Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > > > > I have written the macro uSubSec > > > > However I have found that a \par is introduced in the Table of Contents > > when the title continues on the next line. How can this problem be solved? > > > > Example: > > > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of > > Microseismicity} > > > > @macro uSubSec{label, titl} > > > > @set lb \label\ > > @ifclear USubSec--No--Label > > @unnumberedsubsec @value{lb} @ \titl\ > > @end ifclear > > > > @ifset USubSec--No--Label > > @unnumberedsubsec \titl\ > > @end ifset > > > > @end macro > > Your input does not work with texi2any either, although in that case > the part of the argument on the next line is not even included in the > argument to @unnumberedsubsec. Hence, I do not think that this should > be made to work with TeX. > > The best solution I've come up with is to use DEL as a comment > character. (I've never seen a use for this before!) > > \input texinfo > > @macro uSubSec{label, titl} > > @set lb \label\ > @unnumberedsubsec @value{lb} @ \titl\ > > @end macro > > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic ^? > Characterisation of Microseismicity} > > > where ^? is the DEL character (byte value 0x7f). This appears to work > perfectly with both texinfo.tex and texi2any. > > I found that starting a new line, like > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, > Probabilistic Characterisation of Microseismicity} > > worked with texi2any, but not with TeX. > > As usual with macro handling in Texinfo, this is not easy to fix, and > any fix risks breaking something else. There is an @xeatspaces macro > being used around macro arguments that is not being expanded until > quite late on, which might be better expanded earlier with a given > value of active newline, but it would be very complicated if not > impossible to expand this earlier without fully expanding the macro > arguments at the same time (probably some complex arrangement of > \expandafter's which would differ depending on the number of macro > arguments, or repeatedly reading the argument text as a macro argument > and moving expanded arguments one by one to the end). Even if it's > possible it's probably better not to try as it would be error-prone > and hard to understand after the fact. > > Another option was changing the definition of active newline away from > @par to a space or an empty string, but this broke using a macro > inside an environment like @example. >
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
I'm going to try putting an example with a DEL character in an email to see if it gets through: @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of Microseismicity}
Re: Macro introduces \par in Table of Contents
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:20 AM Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > I have written the macro uSubSec > > However I have found that a \par is introduced in the Table of Contents > when the title continues on the next line. How can this problem be solved? > > Example: > > @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of > Microseismicity} > > @macro uSubSec{label, titl} > > @set lb \label\ > @ifclear USubSec--No--Label > @unnumberedsubsec @value{lb} @ \titl\ > @end ifclear > > @ifset USubSec--No--Label > @unnumberedsubsec \titl\ > @end ifset > > @end macro Your input does not work with texi2any either, although in that case the part of the argument on the next line is not even included in the argument to @unnumberedsubsec. Hence, I do not think that this should be made to work with TeX. The best solution I've come up with is to use DEL as a comment character. (I've never seen a use for this before!) \input texinfo @macro uSubSec{label, titl} @set lb \label\ @unnumberedsubsec @value{lb} @ \titl\ @end macro @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic ^? Characterisation of Microseismicity} where ^? is the DEL character (byte value 0x7f). This appears to work perfectly with both texinfo.tex and texi2any. I found that starting a new line, like @uSubSec{@value{SecLb}, Probabilistic Characterisation of Microseismicity} worked with texi2any, but not with TeX. As usual with macro handling in Texinfo, this is not easy to fix, and any fix risks breaking something else. There is an @xeatspaces macro being used around macro arguments that is not being expanded until quite late on, which might be better expanded earlier with a given value of active newline, but it would be very complicated if not impossible to expand this earlier without fully expanding the macro arguments at the same time (probably some complex arrangement of \expandafter's which would differ depending on the number of macro arguments, or repeatedly reading the argument text as a macro argument and moving expanded arguments one by one to the end). Even if it's possible it's probably better not to try as it would be error-prone and hard to understand after the fact. Another option was changing the definition of active newline away from @par to a space or an empty string, but this broke using a macro inside an environment like @example.