Re: [Hibernate] Re: API name changes
On Feb 18, 2005, at 2:14 AM, Lane Sharman wrote: merge has got to be one of the weirdest choices conceived in all my years of writing code to describe a save operation. It doesn't save, it merges state. It's fine, save/update are not really great in this context, but we need them. -- Christian Bauer callto://christian-bauer Hibernate [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hibernate.org JBoss Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jboss.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ hibernate-devel mailing list hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hibernate-devel
Re: [Hibernate] Re: API name changes
Christian Bauer wrote: Christian Bauer wrote: Starting with H3, we recommend the new EJB3-style operations create() and merge(). merge has got to be one of the weirdest choices conceived in all my years of writing code to describe a save operation. -Lane --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ hibernate-devel mailing list hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hibernate-devel
RE: [Hibernate] Re: API name changes
My view is that this is a major version update and we are aligning with a standard so we should change APIs to suite as well as behaviour. +1 Cheers David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Bauer Sent: Monday, 14 February 2005 9:06 PM To: hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hibernate] Re: API name changes Christian Bauer wrote: > Starting with H3, we recommend the new EJB3-style operations create() > and merge(). > > We still have our old methods: save(), update(), saveOrUpdate(), with > slightly different semantics. What do you think about save(), attach(), > saveOrAttach()? It might be too much code to change, but this is really > our last chance to fix it and to help people think in object states, not > SQL statements (something I repeat about 10 times during a Hibernate > training). Again, I repeat this question. It's critical for our docs, training material, etc. Repeat: This is the last chance to make any changes. Even if you don't really have much to say about it, express your opinion please. Also, should we rename create() to persist() to be aligned with EJB3 EDR2? -- Christian Bauer callto://christian-bauer Hibernate [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hibernate.org JBoss Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jboss.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ hibernate-devel mailing list hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hibernate-devel --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ hibernate-devel mailing list hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hibernate-devel
RE: [Hibernate] Re: API name changes
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hibernate-devel- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emmanuel Bernard > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:16 AM > To: hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hibernate] Re: API name changes > > > Christian Bauer wrote: > > > Christian Bauer wrote: > > > >> Starting with H3, we recommend the new EJB3-style operations create() > >> and merge(). > >> > >> We still have our old methods: save(), update(), saveOrUpdate(), with > >> slightly different semantics. What do you think about save(), > >> attach(), saveOrAttach()? It might be too much code to change, but > >> this is really our last chance to fix it and to help people think in > >> object states, not SQL statements (something I repeat about 10 times > >> during a Hibernate training). > > > 'save' and 'attach' seems not coherent with each other, I'm not a big fan. -1 > > > > > Again, I repeat this question. It's critical for our docs, training > > material, etc. Repeat: This is the last chance to make any changes. > > Even if you don't really have much to say about it, express your > > opinion please. > > > > Also, should we rename create() to persist() to be aligned with EJB3 > > EDR2? > > +1 > +1 > > --- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > ___ > hibernate-devel mailing list > hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hibernate-devel --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click ___ hibernate-devel mailing list hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hibernate-devel
Re: [Hibernate] Re: API name changes
Christian Bauer wrote: Christian Bauer wrote: Starting with H3, we recommend the new EJB3-style operations create() and merge(). We still have our old methods: save(), update(), saveOrUpdate(), with slightly different semantics. What do you think about save(), attach(), saveOrAttach()? It might be too much code to change, but this is really our last chance to fix it and to help people think in object states, not SQL statements (something I repeat about 10 times during a Hibernate training). 'save' and 'attach' seems not coherent with each other, I'm not a big fan. Again, I repeat this question. It's critical for our docs, training material, etc. Repeat: This is the last chance to make any changes. Even if you don't really have much to say about it, express your opinion please. Also, should we rename create() to persist() to be aligned with EJB3 EDR2? +1 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ___ hibernate-devel mailing list hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hibernate-devel
