[Histonet] tumour, lymph node and prostate preservation for histology

2010-06-22 Thread Carolina Soekmadji

Hi,

I am new to histology and have some very basic questions. I hope somebody out 
there willing to help me.. I want to isolate tumours from mice and preserve it 
for histology . I heard that there is different method on how best preserving 
different organs/ tissue. Could any of you please advise me a  method on how to 
best preserve tumour ? Also if there a method  to preserve lymph node and 
prostate? Thank you very much.

Best regards,
Carolina

Carolina Soekmadji
Postdoctoral Research Fellow
Australian Prostate Cancer Research Centre - Queensland | Institute of Health 
and Biomedical Innovation |
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RE: [Histonet] tumour,lymph node and prostate preservation for histology

2010-06-22 Thread Tony Henwood
Carolina,

It will depend on what you want to do to the tissue after removal. For
Histology, placing the tissue in 10% phosphate buffered formalin is good
for morphology, special staains, immunohistochemistry and in situ
hybridisation. I have been able to extract RNA and DNA from formalin
fixed, paraffin embedded tissues that have been stored at room
temperature for 40 years! (and others have also shown this).

Contact me for further details.

Regards

Tony Henwood JP, MSc, BAppSc, GradDipSysAnalys, CT(ASC)
Laboratory Manager  Senior Scientist
Tel: 612 9845 3306
Fax: 612 9845 3318
the children's hospital at westmead 
Cnr Hawkesbury Road and Hainsworth Street, Westmead 
Locked Bag 4001, Westmead NSW 2145, AUSTRALIA 




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Subject: [Histonet] tumour,lymph node and prostate preservation for
histology



Hi,

I am new to histology and have some very basic questions. I hope
somebody out there willing to help me.. I want to isolate tumours from
mice and preserve it for histology . I heard that there is different
method on how best preserving different organs/ tissue. Could any of you
please advise me a  method on how to best preserve tumour ? Also if
there a method  to preserve lymph node and prostate? Thank you very
much.

Best regards,
Carolina

Carolina Soekmadji
Postdoctoral Research Fellow
Australian Prostate Cancer Research Centre - Queensland | Institute of
Health and Biomedical Innovation |
t: 07 3176 7428 (APCRC - Princess Alexandra Hospital)
t: 07 3138 6286 (IHBI - QUT Kelvin Grove)
mobile: +61 423 111 807
f: 07 3176 7440
e: carolina.soekma...@qut.edu.aumailto:carolina.soekma...@qut.edu.au


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[Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!

2010-06-22 Thread Josie Britton
We have been having trouble with big breeze blowing our precious ribbons
out of our hands while cutting.  We would like a door on the Histology
lab to cut down on the breeze of people walking by through the hall.
Our facilities want to find out what other people are doing to stop this
problem.  We also have air ducts blowing down from above, which is not
helping the problem.  We would like as many labs solutions as possible.
Our facilities have come up with all these crazy barriers that we would
have to move to walk around when we need to put our racks on the
stainer, answer timers, print more slides, use the oven, etc... 

 

Any input would be appreciated!

 

Breezy girls,

 

Josie Britton and Chris Braaten

Cheshire Medical Center

Keene, NH 03431


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[Histonet] Histotechs needed in Long Island

2010-06-22 Thread godsgalnow
We have several openings for our fast growing lab. We need Registrations 
Associates as well. The open positions are: 1 Full time tech with EM 
experience, 1 full time tech with IHC experience, 2 full time day shift 
positions and 1 full time overnight position.  Excellent opportunity for NYS 
licensed techs. 
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Re: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!

2010-06-22 Thread Paula Sicurello
Hi Josie and Chris,

I've worked in labs with similar problems.  Breezes are nice outdoors but
cause havoc with ribbons.  If you can't get them to put in a door (which
you'll probably have to lock since folks will walk in, shut the door and
cause a breeze that way) then how about those fuzzy cubicle walls?  The ones
that are used in prairie dog farms (I mean open office situations  ;-)  ).
Also, you'll need to install some type of baffle or other item that hangs
from the air ducts and deflects the air across the ceiling instead of
straight down.

Good luck!

Paula  :-)

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:22 AM, Josie Britton
jcbrit...@cheshire-med.comwrote:

 We have been having trouble with big breeze blowing our precious ribbons
 out of our hands while cutting.  We would like a door on the Histology
 lab to cut down on the breeze of people walking by through the hall.
 Our facilities want to find out what other people are doing to stop this
 problem.  We also have air ducts blowing down from above, which is not
 helping the problem.  We would like as many labs solutions as possible.
 Our facilities have come up with all these crazy barriers that we would
 have to move to walk around when we need to put our racks on the
 stainer, answer timers, print more slides, use the oven, etc...



 Any input would be appreciated!



 Breezy girls,



 Josie Britton and Chris Braaten

 Cheshire Medical Center

 Keene, NH 03431


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RE: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!

2010-06-22 Thread Rathborne, Toni
For the ceiling vents, you could ask to have deflectors installed. The ones we 
have are made of stainless, are slightly larger than the vent, and are 
suspended about 6-8 below the opening. 

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]on Behalf Of Josie
Britton
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:23 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!


We have been having trouble with big breeze blowing our precious ribbons

out of our hands while cutting.  We would like a door on the Histology

lab to cut down on the breeze of people walking by through the hall.

Our facilities want to find out what other people are doing to stop this

problem.  We also have air ducts blowing down from above, which is not

helping the problem.  We would like as many labs solutions as possible.

Our facilities have come up with all these crazy barriers that we would

have to move to walk around when we need to put our racks on the

stainer, answer timers, print more slides, use the oven, etc... 



 



Any input would be appreciated!



 



Breezy girls,



 



Josie Britton and Chris Braaten



Cheshire Medical Center



Keene, NH 03431




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[Histonet] Hpylori/Giemsa

2010-06-22 Thread Senn, Amy R
Histoland,

 

For those of you who order your H-pylori/Giemsa controls: Who do you
use?

 

There were 2 companies that we were using for years, and all of a
sudden, there's no bugs in the tissue-many,  many boxes were without
bugs! And they told my boss that the IHC controls are not 'guaranteed'
to show positive for H-pylori and/or Giemsa.

We are trying to cut our own, but finding that we need to use more as
controls than we actually have-so we're running out frequently.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks so much!

HT Amy in Camp Hill, PA

www.hsh.org



 

 

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RE: [Histonet] Help! In need of positive Gram Control

2010-06-22 Thread Gill, Caula A.
You have got to be kidding!! That's hysterical. So process a slim jim
and you have 
Gram - and + controls. If you're serious I'm trying it. 

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Josie
Britton
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:10 AM
To: dianar...@aol.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Help! In need of positive Gram Control

 



Have you tried a Slim Jim?  They have gram positive and negative rods in

them.  Regardless, I still enjoy eating them once and a while! 



 



Josie Britton Ht



Cheshire Medical Center



Keene, NH 03431



 



 



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Subject: [Histonet] Help! In need of positive Gram Control



 



Help! We are in need of positive Gram Control Blocks if anyone has any  



extra they are willing to part with.  I have lots of Fungus,

Pneumocystis  and 



HPV tissue blocks to trade.



 



Diana Ripley



John Muir Histology



Concord Campus



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Re: [Histonet] Help! In need of positive Gram Control

2010-06-22 Thread Victor Tobias

What a waste of a good Slim Jim.

Victor

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On 6/22/2010 7:16 AM, Gill, Caula A. wrote:

You have got to be kidding!! That's hysterical. So process a slim jim
and you have
Gram - and + controls. If you're serious I'm trying it.

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Josie
Britton
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:10 AM
To: dianar...@aol.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Help! In need of positive Gram Control





Have you tried a Slim Jim?  They have gram positive and negative rods in

them.  Regardless, I still enjoy eating them once and a while!







Josie Britton Ht



Cheshire Medical Center



Keene, NH 03431











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Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:43 PM

To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

Subject: [Histonet] Help! In need of positive Gram Control







Help! We are in need of positive Gram Control Blocks if anyone has any



extra they are willing to part with.  I have lots of Fungus,

Pneumocystis  and



HPV tissue blocks to trade.







Diana Ripley



John Muir Histology



Concord Campus



2540 East Street



Concord, CA 94520



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Re: [Histonet] Help! In need of positive Gram Control

2010-06-22 Thread Jackie M O'Connor
A good ol' hot appendix works great.   Not as good as a Slim Jim, tho.
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RE: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!

2010-06-22 Thread R J VAZQUEZ

When I was doing histology, I would use a flexible end of a brush to roll the 
ribbon end closest to the blade and that would secure it beautifully and no fly 
aways.

Robyn Vazquez
 
 From: histot...@imagesbyhopper.com
 To: trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com; jcbrit...@cheshire-med.com; 
 histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:10:29 -0400
 Subject: RE: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!
 CC: 
 
 We have a similar situation, but I have shown my techs how to 1) wet the
 brush they use to take the ribbon off the knife and 2) to roll/curl the
 ribbon over the damp end of the brush and 3) hover our hand over the top of
 the ribbon while moving it (to reduce the breeze) from the microtome to the
 waterbath.
 
 I learned this technique when I first started in Histology, as we had a
 choice, a HOT room with no AC and no wind, or learn how to deal with the
 breeze and don't sweat! I opted for dealing with the wind. Now, it's
 second nature and it matters not whether there is wind or not, I still use
 the same motion for tranfer of the ribbon!
 
 Good luck with your situation. :o)
 
 Michelle
 
 -Original Message-
 From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rathborne,
 Toni
 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:50 AM
 To: Josie Britton; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Subject: RE: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!
 
 
 For the ceiling vents, you could ask to have deflectors installed. The ones
 we have are made of stainless, are slightly larger than the vent, and are
 suspended about 6-8 below the opening. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]on Behalf Of Josie Britton
 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:23 AM
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Subject: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!
 
 
 We have been having trouble with big breeze blowing our precious ribbons
 
 out of our hands while cutting. We would like a door on the Histology
 
 lab to cut down on the breeze of people walking by through the hall.
 
 Our facilities want to find out what other people are doing to stop this
 
 problem. We also have air ducts blowing down from above, which is not
 
 helping the problem. We would like as many labs solutions as possible.
 
 Our facilities have come up with all these crazy barriers that we would
 
 have to move to walk around when we need to put our racks on the
 
 stainer, answer timers, print more slides, use the oven, etc... 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Any input would be appreciated!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Breezy girls,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Josie Britton and Chris Braaten
 
 
 
 Cheshire Medical Center
 
 
 
 Keene, NH 03431
 
 
 
 
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[Histonet] slim jims

2010-06-22 Thread Perry, Margaret
Do you put the slim jims in formalin and then process them or just put them in 
the processor?
Margaret
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RE: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!

2010-06-22 Thread Gill, Caula A.
Ditto, I use a small brush that I got from the craft store and prior to
picking up the ribbon I wet the brush and slip it under my ribbon end
closest to the blade and presto no flyaways. 

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of R J
VAZQUEZ
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:08 PM
To: histot...@imagesbyhopper.com; trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com;
jcbrit...@cheshire-med.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!


When I was doing histology, I would use a flexible end of a brush to
roll the ribbon end closest to the blade and that would secure it
beautifully and no fly aways.

Robyn Vazquez
 
 From: histot...@imagesbyhopper.com
 To: trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com; jcbrit...@cheshire-med.com; 
 histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:10:29 -0400
 Subject: RE: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!
 CC: 
 
 We have a similar situation, but I have shown my techs how to 1) wet 
 the brush they use to take the ribbon off the knife and 2) to 
 roll/curl the ribbon over the damp end of the brush and 3) hover our 
 hand over the top of the ribbon while moving it (to reduce the breeze)

 from the microtome to the waterbath.
 
 I learned this technique when I first started in Histology, as we had 
 a choice, a HOT room with no AC and no wind, or learn how to deal with

 the breeze and don't sweat! I opted for dealing with the wind. Now, 
 it's second nature and it matters not whether there is wind or not, I 
 still use the same motion for tranfer of the ribbon!
 
 Good luck with your situation. :o)
 
 Michelle
 
 -Original Message-
 From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of 
 Rathborne, Toni
 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:50 AM
 To: Josie Britton; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Subject: RE: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!
 
 
 For the ceiling vents, you could ask to have deflectors installed. The

 ones we have are made of stainless, are slightly larger than the vent,

 and are suspended about 6-8 below the opening.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]on Behalf Of Josie 
 Britton
 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:23 AM
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Subject: [Histonet] Breezy lab/flyaway ribbons!
 
 
 We have been having trouble with big breeze blowing our precious 
 ribbons
 
 out of our hands while cutting. We would like a door on the Histology
 
 lab to cut down on the breeze of people walking by through the hall.
 
 Our facilities want to find out what other people are doing to stop 
 this
 
 problem. We also have air ducts blowing down from above, which is not
 
 helping the problem. We would like as many labs solutions as possible.
 
 Our facilities have come up with all these crazy barriers that we 
 would
 
 have to move to walk around when we need to put our racks on the
 
 stainer, answer timers, print more slides, use the oven, etc... 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Any input would be appreciated!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Breezy girls,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Josie Britton and Chris Braaten
 
 
 
 Cheshire Medical Center
 
 
 
 Keene, NH 03431
 
 
 
 
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[Histonet] Re: Autofluorescence in murine white adipose tissue cryosections

2010-06-22 Thread Johnson, Teri
Dear Frank,

Good luck with ridding your samples of autofluorescence. Fat is always very 
brightly fluorescent and I suspect it might even be so without any aldehyde 
fixation. First I wondered how successful you'd be using Sudan Black B, knowing 
it is a fat stain, and knowing that it's been published for this purpose. So 
you might try just that and see how that works. In addition you could try using 
a combination of UV irradiation and the Sudan Black B and see if the 
combination works for you. They use paraffin sections in this reference, but it 
might work as well with cryosections. 
http://www.microscopyu.com/references/pdfs/Viegas_etal_Eur_J_Histochem-51-59-2007.pdf

Good luck, and do report back if you find a solution to this dilemma!

Best wishes,
Teri Johnson, HT(ASCP)QIHC
Managing Director, Histology Facility
Stowers Institute for Medical Research
Kansas City, MO


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Re: [Histonet] slim jims

2010-06-22 Thread V. Neubert
I just found a partially eaten Slim Jim snack picture on wikipedia...

Is it Friday again? :-

 Do you put the slim jims in formalin and then process them or just put them 
 in the processor?
 Margaret
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Re: [Histonet] Oven for paraffin slide drying

2010-06-22 Thread Emily Sours
Do slide warmers cost too much?
I don't know how much they cost, though, maybe an oven is cheaper.

Emily

Towns are like people. Old ones often have character, the new ones are
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On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Mia Woodruff mia.woodr...@qut.edu.au wrote:
 Hello all,

 I need to purchase an oven for drying slides, on a very limited budget. I 
 came across a food dehydrator which looks like an oven and has drawers 
 which are the perfect size for the slide holders to fit into and it can reach 
 a temperature of 60C - and it costs about 1/8 of the price of a normal oven.
 Can anyone foresee any issues in me using this for drying paraffin slides? As 
 far as I can tell there is a low air flow inside and the temp can be set up 
 to 60 degrees so it seems perfect? Any comments?

 Thanks
 Mia









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RE: [Histonet] Help! In need of positive Gram Control

2010-06-22 Thread connie grubaugh

Tried the slim jim and all of my doctors did not like it.  Don't waste your 
time.



Connie G.



 

 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:16:14 -0400
 From: cg...@marylandgeneral.org
 To: jcbrit...@cheshire-med.com; dianar...@aol.com; 
 histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Subject: RE: [Histonet] Help! In need of positive Gram Control
 CC: 
 
 You have got to be kidding!! That's hysterical. So process a slim jim
 and you have 
 Gram - and + controls. If you're serious I'm trying it. 
 
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 Have you tried a Slim Jim? They have gram positive and negative rods in
 
 them. Regardless, I still enjoy eating them once and a while! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Josie Britton Ht
 
 
 
 Cheshire Medical Center
 
 
 
 Keene, NH 03431
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Help! We are in need of positive Gram Control Blocks if anyone has any 
 
 
 
 extra they are willing to part with. I have lots of Fungus,
 
 Pneumocystis and 
 
 
 
 HPV tissue blocks to trade.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 John Muir Histology
 
 
 
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RE: [Histonet] New CAP question ANP.22760

2010-06-22 Thread JMyers1
Tom:
 
As much as I agree with your acknowledgment that its seems a bit odd for 
the CAP to have a blood-banker responding to AP-related issue, I'm actually 
not surprised.  The folks in the 'clinical' lab have been performing more 
comprehensive and complex validation procedures for a very long time, and they 
wonder why IHC isn't expected to follow the same requirements as chemistry, 
immunology, etc. -- IHC is, after all, an awful lot like ELISA.  And 
rightfully so, because IHC is, under CLIA (which supersedes CAP), considered 
highly-complex, non-waived testing -- and is, therefore, subject to the same 
Quality Systems regulations (in particular, 42CFR493.1252-1256, 1273, and 1281) 
as 
the testing performed in other areas of the lab.
 
Could it be that, because AP produces qualitative results that are 
interpreted by a pathologist and CP produces quantitative results that are 
interpreted by an analyzer, we somehow think that CLIA rules don't apply to 
IHC?  I 
certainly don't have the answer to that, but it make me wonder what the 
future holds.  As witnessed by some of the newest CAP 'standards' (including 
the 
question in question...no pun intended), e.g. ER/PR, where a minimum of 20 
positive and 20 negative specimens must be tested, and where 10 of the 
positives must be weakly positive -- an acknowledgment that validation 
specimens 
must be carefully selected in order to obtain appropriate results), it 
certainly doesn't appear that the regulation of IHC testing is going to become 
more relaxed.
 
Joe Myers, M.S., CT(ASCP)
 
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:38:07 -0700
From: Thomas Jasper tjas...@copc.net
Subject: RE: [Histonet] New CAP question ANP.22760
To: Mark Tarango marktara...@gmail.com
Cc: _histo...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu_ 
(mailto:histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu) 

Mark,

Did you notice the credentials from this CAP representative? MT with a
Blood Bank specialty I believe.  What I glean from that is...more than
likely this person does not grasp the logistics of contemporaneously
staining identical Abs from separate lots.  She also likely does not
understand the logistical application for detection and automation
either.

I'm not trying to be overly critical of this person.  I'm sure she is
quite intelligent and would not have the MT/SBB if she wasn't
intelligent.  It comes down to a lack of understanding Anatomic
Pathology testing application re: automated IHC.  I believe this is a
common problem in and out of CAP. Many lab directors and other folks in
positions of authority without AP/Histology/Cytology backgrounds seem to
believe that broad clinical lab modalities apply to Anatomic Path
scenarios.  I used to refer to this in my former position as - Trying
to put the yoke of clinical lab onto anatomic path.  We are
laboratorians, but in many instances do not fit the general clinical lab
mold.

It's unfortunate that CAP has put this person in the position to
respond.  It is apparent to me that she's not grasping the particulars
here.  She probably never will unless she decides to go into a working,
automated IHC tissue lab and take the time to ask questions and
understand (learn) what we're all about.

Thanks,
Tom Jasper

Thomas Jasper HT (ASCP) BAS
Histology Supervisor
Central Oregon Regional Pathology Services
Bend, OR 97701 
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