Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
LOL, I was waiting for this thread to turn into a fist fight. I knew it would. A Fl Licensed HTL is someone who oviously had to take more test than a ASCP certified tech if they got it from 19 years ago. How do I know, I'm one of those who had to take all those test way back then. Florida is pretty stringent who can do what with what. Not as much as they used to be, because now the only route is through ASCP. You will not work in a hospital as a histologist without a Fl License. Maybe in a exclusive provider private office, but that is the only exception. As far as Monkeys. Whew! I think that's whats wrong with our profession, one thing anyway. Too many people veiw it that way. Personally I wish the Histo programs would go back to teaching on campus with using the MLT course comparison. Not to bash anyone who is either involved or has been involved with the internet programs that have popped up everywhere, but I'm not seeing the same level of technical skill or knowledge come out of these programs. I'm sure there are many super students who do get it, but many times they are pushed through on thier short rotations and used as gophers etc and dont have the skills even sometimes to cut a block. And forget about knowing what a good control for a GMS is. I'd like to see our profession go back to min AS degrees in Histology. The certification only have hurt us and the pay scale is changing I feel because of it. Also, if you really want to promote our field and improve it, be supportive of your state going to a license for our practice. ASCP supports states requiring license. Thats my 2cents for the day. Happy Friday! :) Kim D From: William Chappell cha...@yahoo.com To: Davide Costanzo pathloc...@gmail.com Cc: histonet histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs I have respected Jay's input in the past, but I too must say something. Without realizing it, and by stating his opinion in a horribly crass way, Jay has touched upon an important truism. There are two types of histologists, those that have a job that pays the bills, and those who have a career in which they thrive. Neither are better than the other, both are needed. I suspect, however, that the majority of Histonetters -- especially avid contributors are in the latter group. I know I am. Histotechs who approach histology as a job, go into work, embed, cut, stain and go home. they are excellent techs, but are just not committed to expanding the field or doing more than is needed to provide the pathologist with a perfect slide. Jay refers to these people as no better than trained monkeys. That is a horrible insult with a small (very small) grain of truth. One day those histologists will be replaced by a mechanical/robotic process. The march of progress is unstoppable. The career histologist has a much longer life span however. We analyze and troubleshoot problems. We understand or endeavor to learn the organic chemistry of stains. We know EXACTLY how a Rabbit Monoclonal antibody is made. We know more about the practice of histology than ANY pathologist. We invent and develop antibodies and special stains. And we conceptualize and perfect the instruments that will replace the first group in the future. Jay, that is why so many are offended. We don't do this simply because it is a good paycheck. We are histologists because we are professionals who choose this career. You may be going to a job cutting slides (which is great and necessary), but we are enjoying our life. Will Chappell, HTL (ASCP), QIHC, MBA and histologist by choice, not accident On May 24, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Davide Costanzo wrote: I'm sorry - I cannot let this rest. The comment: we are just as much needed as pathologists, blah, blah, blah... is so upsetting I cannot sit back and listen to that without saying something! Everyone, regardless of their lot in life, is a very worthwhile part of the whole. Let me ask you a question, since you highly undervalue humans that are not MD's - let's say that you are a patient at Hospital X, and you go in to have your toenail removed. Who plays a more important role in your survival - the Podiatrist or the hospital janitor? I would argue that the janitor is more crucial in this instance, for if he/she fails to clean up the MRSA from the last patient you could conceivably die. The doctor solved your fungal problem, but the janitor prevented you from getting a potentially life-threatening infection. Think before you speak like that - everyone involved in your care is critical - and, yes, sometimes the doctor is not the most important person when it comes to keeping you alive and well! On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Jay Lundgren jaylundg...@gmail.com wrote: Scott Lyons sln...@yahoo.com Give me a break, HTs and HTLs do not make
[Histonet] certification of histotechnologists
Just curious if any consideration has been given to including Histotechnology in your medical laboratory programs as we do in Canada? our graduates are certified for 5 different careers and shortages in one particular laboratory does not seem to be a problem. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists
Same in UK, I have never understood why the separation in the Land of the Free. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Janet Keeping Sent: 25 May 2012 12:38 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Just curious if any consideration has been given to including Histotechnology in your medical laboratory programs as we do in Canada? our graduates are certified for 5 different careers and shortages in one particular laboratory does not seem to be a problem. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
Than you Jackie. That was the point I was trying to make. I like my job and I hate it when researchers think anyone can do histology, yet even though the MD has to have us tell him or his Post-docs what they need or do not need. Bernce Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP) Senior Research Tech Pathology Core Facility ECOGPCO-RL Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center Northwestern University 710 N Fairbanks Court Olson 8-421 Chicago,IL 60611 312-503-3723 b-freder...@northwestern.edu -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jackie O'Connor Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:09 PM To: cha...@yahoo.com; pathloc...@gmail.com Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs I've personally tried to train monkeys to do this - they suck at it. I've trained a lot of histotechs, and learned early on that not just any Joe Schmo can do this job (my apologies to any real Joe Schmo's out there). There is a certain skill level and intelligence needed to perform good microtomy, optimize and antibody, or troubleshoot a special stain. I've been in labs where people were just told 'this is a block, put it in the holder on that machine, crank the handle as fast as you can, and pick up what comes off. LITERALLY. This is a skill, and it requires talent. To be good at it requires intelligence and good training. To be great at it requires desire. You're really lucky if you love your job, and I do love this work.I can clicker train monkeys and dogs, but not histotechs. Jackie O' -Original Message- From: William Chappell cha...@yahoo.com To: Davide Costanzo pathloc...@gmail.com Cc: histonet histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Thu, May 24, 2012 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs I have respected Jay's input in the past, but I too must say something. Without realizing it, and by stating his opinion in a horribly crass way, Jay has touched upon an important truism. There are two types of histologists, those that have a job that pays the bills, and those who have a career in which they thrive. Neither are better than the other, both are needed. I suspect, however, that the majority of Histonetters -- especially avid contributors are in the latter group. I know I am. Histotechs who approach histology as a job, go into work, embed, cut, stain and go home. they are excellent techs, but are just not committed to expanding the field or doing more than is needed to provide the pathologist with a perfect slide. Jay refers to these people as no better than trained monkeys. That is a horrible insult with a small (very small) grain of truth. One day those histologists will be replaced by a mechanical/robotic process. The march of progress is unstoppable. The career histologist has a much longer life span however. We analyze and troubleshoot problems. We understand or endeavor to learn the organic chemistry of stains. We know EXACTLY how a Rabbit Monoclonal antibody is made. We know more about the practice of histology than ANY pathologist. We invent and develop antibodies and special stains. And we conceptualize and perfect the instruments that will replace the first group in the future. Jay, that is why so many are offended. We don't do this simply because it is a good paycheck. We are histologists because we are professionals who choose this career. You may be going to a job cutting slides (which is great and necessary), but we are enjoying our life. Will Chappell, HTL (ASCP), QIHC, MBA and histologist by choice, not accident On May 24, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Davide Costanzo wrote: I'm sorry - I cannot let this rest. The comment: we are just as much needed as pathologists, blah, blah, blah... is so upsetting I cannot sit back and listen to that without saying something! Everyone, regardless of their lot in life, is a very worthwhile part of the whole. Let me ask you a question, since you highly undervalue humans that are not MD's - let's say that you are a patient at Hospital X, and you go in to have your toenail removed. Who plays a more important role in your survival - the Podiatrist or the hospital janitor? I would argue that the janitor is more crucial in this instance, for if he/she fails to clean up the MRSA from the last patient you could conceivably die. The doctor solved your fungal problem, but the janitor prevented you from getting a potentially life-threatening infection. Think before you speak like that - everyone involved in your care is critical - and, yes, sometimes the doctor is not the most important person when it comes to keeping you alive and well! On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Jay Lundgren jaylundg...@gmail.com wrote: Scott Lyons sln...@yahoo.com Give me a break, HTs and HTLs do not make diagnoses or treat patients. I am a registered HT and a Florida
[Histonet] RE: Not requiring HT Certification)
Like everyone else, I was going to keep quiet, but I can't. I am sensitive to those downgrading us who took the OJT route. I did the OJT route, had a BS in Biology, tried for Veterinary School, but that wasn't so. What do I do with all of this Science? As part of my Pre-Med curricula had to take histology, loved it. Had no idea that it was a paying field and such. Had I known, I would have applied to a school as a backup. It took me a while, but when I was hired as a tech, I did not excel quickly (Cheryl remember my mistakes), but I learned and had patient coworkers. Move on down the line several years and another coworker questioned my knowledge of the chemistry behind a stain, and all of a sudden all of my organic and biochem can running out of my mouth. I didn't realize that I really knew all of that. I had always felt a little disadvantaged because I did not get formal training through a school, just studied and passed the HT with the help of my coworkers (shout out to LSU VetPath). There is nothing wrong with OJT for Biology majors. They should have the basic background to understand the chemistries and processes behind why we do what we do. With the modernization of technologies and procedures in the histo lab some formal education is needed. There are many ways to receive this education, it can be online, or in person. It all depends on the learner. To overcome the stigma we should continue with some of the things that are now in place to stabilize the training of our successors (yes we all are going to have to retire one day). A continued push for formal training, promotion of the field, professionalism by our colleagues, and respect from the customers (pathologists, patients, and gen lab personnel). In order to facilitate change for respect, we must first present a unified front. I know good techs with no certification, I know bad techs with certification. We all do. Last year I celebrated my 20th year in histo and never thought I would be where I am. I never wanted to do research, and didn't like management (don't like telling grown folks what to do), but I love teaching. It helps me to learn the theory behind what I do and apply it better. There are so many people who can do histo whether it is routine, special procedures, or management. We shouldn't look down on those who took the OJT route, sometimes they just don't know about a formal program (like me). You never know where the next great manager, director or tech is coming from, so don't count them out. Toysha N. Mayer, MBA, HT (ASCP) Instructor, Education Coordinator Program in Histotechnology School of Health Professions MD Anderson Cancer Center (713) 563-3481 tnma...@mdanderson.org -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:41 + From: joelle weaver joellewea...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification) To: jkr...@deltacollege.edu Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Message-ID: snt135-w63f3ac88ed033046fe696ad8...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jon There is a route with associates and training I believe. Of course I can't speak for the BOC, and I am sure that you want to help your employees as much as you can. I do see your point about the similarities in tasks. My thought would be that the exam eligibility states that they have to have recent experience in fixation, embedding, microtomy, and staining (histology) and the associated theory knowledge. EM is on the exam study topics, but also with the theory/experience for all those routine histological techniques, is how I read it. Take a look at the exam outlines, that should give you an idea of the scope. Ascp.org get certified. As I have been told, they want to cover the widest possible scope of roles histologists can perform, which could include EM, but not only that. If they don't have exposure to regular histology I think that it might be hard for to feel prepared for the regular HT or HTL exams. That's just my opinion, based on what I have observed and also the pass rates ( ~ 65%), for people even with training/experience- there could be an exceptional person out there. I can understand not wanting to get buried in doing a whole HT curricula ( believe me, I do). How about the option of having cross training in a histology lab? Do you have routine histology on site or a nearby lab? The best advice I can give is to go to the website and carefully read the requirments to see how your employees might fit in. If you want to provide the theory without having to do the curricula, there are on line programs out there which can supplement OJT and a supportive mentor and organization. I have seen this work successfully with motivated people with the ability to have hands on practice alongside. I suggest the NSH site which lists the accredited programs or the NAACLS
Re: [Histonet] RE: Not requiring HT Certification)
I personally agree with your route. What I am most concerned with is so many want a quick route these days and don't want to put in the hard work to learn the theory. They just want to pass the test, get a job and make a big paycheck and expect the lab that hires them to actually teach them. I enjoy teaching myself to a degree but times are changing and we are expected to do more with less. We need graduating techs to be hit the ground ready day one. If we don't start to expect this you can count on with all the cut backs in health care that our profession will continue to be viewed as just a bunch of monkeys and therefore will be payed as a bunch of monkeys. And personally being refered to as a monkey ticks me off. I'm not a monkey. I'm a frog lol Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Mayer,Toysha N tnma...@mdanderson.org wrote: Like everyone else, I was going to keep quiet, but I can't. I am sensitive to those downgrading us who took the OJT route. I did the OJT route, had a BS in Biology, tried for Veterinary School, but that wasn't so. What do I do with all of this Science? As part of my Pre-Med curricula had to take histology, loved it. Had no idea that it was a paying field and such. Had I known, I would have applied to a school as a backup. It took me a while, but when I was hired as a tech, I did not excel quickly (Cheryl remember my mistakes), but I learned and had patient coworkers. Move on down the line several years and another coworker questioned my knowledge of the chemistry behind a stain, and all of a sudden all of my organic and biochem can running out of my mouth. I didn't realize that I really knew all of that. I had always felt a little disadvantaged because I did not get formal training through a school, just studied and passed the HT with the help of my coworkers (shout out to LSU VetPath). There is nothing wrong with OJT for Biology majors. They should have the basic background to understand the chemistries and processes behind why we do what we do. With the modernization of technologies and procedures in the histo lab some formal education is needed. There are many ways to receive this education, it can be online, or in person. It all depends on the learner. To overcome the stigma we should continue with some of the things that are now in place to stabilize the training of our successors (yes we all are going to have to retire one day). A continued push for formal training, promotion of the field, professionalism by our colleagues, and respect from the customers (pathologists, patients, and gen lab personnel). In order to facilitate change for respect, we must first present a unified front. I know good techs with no certification, I know bad techs with certification. We all do. Last year I celebrated my 20th year in histo and never thought I would be where I am. I never wanted to do research, and didn't like management (don't like telling grown folks what to do), but I love teaching. It helps me to learn the theory behind what I do and apply it better. There are so many people who can do histo whether it is routine, special procedures, or management. We shouldn't look down on those who took the OJT route, sometimes they just don't know about a formal program (like me). You never know where the next great manager, director or tech is coming from, so don't count them out. Toysha N. Mayer, MBA, HT (ASCP) Instructor, Education Coordinator Program in Histotechnology School of Health Professions MD Anderson Cancer Center (713) 563-3481 tnma...@mdanderson.org -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:41 + From: joelle weaver joellewea...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification) To: jkr...@deltacollege.edu Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Message-ID: snt135-w63f3ac88ed033046fe696ad8...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jon There is a route with associates and training I believe. Of course I can't speak for the BOC, and I am sure that you want to help your employees as much as you can. I do see your point about the similarities in tasks. My thought would be that the exam eligibility states that they have to have recent experience in fixation, embedding, microtomy, and staining (histology) and the associated theory knowledge. EM is on the exam study topics, but also with the theory/experience for all those routine histological techniques, is how I read it. Take a look at the exam outlines, that should give you an idea of the scope. Ascp.org get certified. As I have been told, they want to cover the widest possible scope of roles histologists can perform, which could include EM, but not only that. If they don't have exposure to regular histology I think that it might be hard for
[Histonet] RE: Not requiring HT Certification)
I studies at the famed AFIP while in the military and have two degrees and never thought I would stay in histology. 22 years later I am still in the field. I don't think OJT is a bad route it has often generated some of our best techs but I am a firm believer that new techs need to go through a formal program or have a B.S. degree. I feel this way because most facilities require a degree to move up in positions of authority. I have a wonderful tech that went through a formal associates histology program but does not have a B.S. degree, my facility will not allow me to promote her to a assistant manager position. So if you are a young tech out there and you have dreams of moving up into a leadership position, get a B.S. degree in something. That is why med techs are held in higher regards and why most assistant director and director positions come from the clinical lab. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Mayer,Toysha N Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:26 AM To: 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu' Subject: [Histonet] RE: Not requiring HT Certification) Like everyone else, I was going to keep quiet, but I can't. I am sensitive to those downgrading us who took the OJT route. I did the OJT route, had a BS in Biology, tried for Veterinary School, but that wasn't so. What do I do with all of this Science? As part of my Pre-Med curricula had to take histology, loved it. Had no idea that it was a paying field and such. Had I known, I would have applied to a school as a backup. It took me a while, but when I was hired as a tech, I did not excel quickly (Cheryl remember my mistakes), but I learned and had patient coworkers. Move on down the line several years and another coworker questioned my knowledge of the chemistry behind a stain, and all of a sudden all of my organic and biochem can running out of my mouth. I didn't realize that I really knew all of that. I had always felt a little disadvantaged because I did not get formal training through a school, just studied and passed the HT with the help of my coworkers (shout out to LSU VetPath). There is nothing wrong with OJT for Biology majors. They should have the basic background to understand the chemistries and processes behind why we do what we do. With the modernization of technologies and procedures in the histo lab some formal education is needed. There are many ways to receive this education, it can be online, or in person. It all depends on the learner. To overcome the stigma we should continue with some of the things that are now in place to stabilize the training of our successors (yes we all are going to have to retire one day). A continued push for formal training, promotion of the field, professionalism by our colleagues, and respect from the customers (pathologists, patients, and gen lab personnel). In order to facilitate change for respect, we must first present a unified front. I know good techs with no certification, I know bad techs with certification. We all do. Last year I celebrated my 20th year in histo and never thought I would be where I am. I never wanted to do research, and didn't like management (don't like telling grown folks what to do), but I love teaching. It helps me to learn the theory behind what I do and apply it better. There are so many people who can do histo whether it is routine, special procedures, or management. We shouldn't look down on those who took the OJT route, sometimes they just don't know about a formal program (like me). You never know where the next great manager, director or tech is coming from, so don't count them out. Toysha N. Mayer, MBA, HT (ASCP) Instructor, Education Coordinator Program in Histotechnology School of Health Professions MD Anderson Cancer Center (713) 563-3481 tnma...@mdanderson.org -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:41 + From: joelle weaver joellewea...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject) (Not requiring HT Certification) To: jkr...@deltacollege.edu Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Message-ID: snt135-w63f3ac88ed033046fe696ad8...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jon There is a route with associates and training I believe. Of course I can't speak for the BOC, and I am sure that you want to help your employees as much as you can. I do see your point about the similarities in tasks. My thought would be that the exam eligibility states that they have to have recent experience in fixation, embedding, microtomy, and staining (histology) and the associated theory knowledge. EM is on the exam study topics, but also with the theory/experience for all those routine histological techniques, is how I read it. Take a look at the exam outlines, that should give you an idea of the scope. Ascp.org get
[Histonet] Embed-It
Hello all, We are getting ready for a project that uses Embed-It(tm). We are embedding decalcified bones in the plastic to obtain 0.5um sections. Has anyone had any experience with this product? It looks like a fairly simple kit. Much different than the Ostoebed(tm). Any helpful hits would be great. Bobbie Boyce Histology Specialist III duPont Hospital for Children Wilmington, DE 302-651-6771 (Lab) 302-651-5010 (Fax) ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] RE: Embed-It
I've never heard of it. Who sells this product? I tried googling, but could not find the site. Thanks! Peggy Peggy Sherwood Research Specialist, Photopathology Wellman Center for Photomedicine (EDR 214) Massachusetts General Hospital 50 Blossom Street Boston, MA 02114-2696 617-724-4839 (voice mail) 617-726-6983 (lab) 617-726-1206 (fax) msherw...@partners.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Boyce, Bobbie Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:44 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] Embed-It Hello all, We are getting ready for a project that uses Embed-It(tm). We are embedding decalcified bones in the plastic to obtain 0.5um sections. Has anyone had any experience with this product? It looks like a fairly simple kit. Much different than the Ostoebed(tm). Any helpful hits would be great. Bobbie Boyce Histology Specialist III duPont Hospital for Children Wilmington, DE 302-651-6771 (Lab) 302-651-5010 (Fax) ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists
Janet brings up an interesting point. The rest of the world (ie, besides US) has histo as part of the med tech program and then they specialize in their final year. I have worked with techs from many other countries and in general are far more knowledgeable than the majority of even certified techs in the US. The US med tech programs dropped histo decades ago. I'm not sure why. Pathology labs certainly benefitted financially because it allowed them to hire literally anybody to do the work. But even in the US the med tech schools are declining due to lack of enrollment. Probably due to automation in laboratories they just don't need as many people. Tim Morken -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Janet Keeping Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:38 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Just curious if any consideration has been given to including Histotechnology in your medical laboratory programs as we do in Canada? our graduates are certified for 5 different careers and shortages in one particular laboratory does not seem to be a problem. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] certification of Histotechnologists
The programs were dropped as the pathologist could still hold the training etcetera to suit their needs and not worry about allowing histologist to become part of the professional/complex testing world. In the 1960s when this happened we did few of the tests we are asked to do now and really rarely looked at slides. Microscopes were rarely available to most of us to even review our work. The changes in the field from routine histology to IHC have not been accounted for by ASCP and so far NSH has not made the grade for getting the field recognized as a part of the professional/complex testing world. We now have QIHC however; it does not help those of us in the Histology side in any way. The rest of the world is very different in how they approach this field and why it is needed for patient care. I sometimes feel here we are only servants to the pathologist and what they want. The pay scale has not gotten much better while the automated field in med tech are being paid more and required to do less hands on actual testing the way we do in Histology. Pam Mar -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:56 AM To: Janet Keeping; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Janet brings up an interesting point. The rest of the world (ie, besides US) has histo as part of the med tech program and then they specialize in their final year. I have worked with techs from many other countries and in general are far more knowledgeable than the majority of even certified techs in the US. The US med tech programs dropped histo decades ago. I'm not sure why. Pathology labs certainly benefitted financially because it allowed them to hire literally anybody to do the work. But even in the US the med tech schools are declining due to lack of enrollment. Probably due to automation in laboratories they just don't need as many people. Tim Morken -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Janet Keeping Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:38 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Just curious if any consideration has been given to including Histotechnology in your medical laboratory programs as we do in Canada? our graduates are certified for 5 different careers and shortages in one particular laboratory does not seem to be a problem. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
LOL, I dont have much to say about this one. Like you Kim I have a fl HTL license and an HT ASCP. I have two classes left before I complete my BSH and will be able to sit for my ASCP HTL. I have 12yrs of experience but that is not reconginized in the eyes of licensure for ASCP. I do believe my skill level should determine my licensure status not the degree I hold. Because I promise every class im taking rt now means nothing towards my field. The word histology has not even be written in any of the books im studying. I think OJT techs are just as qualified as any person who completed an online programs, if not more so. I completed an online histology program and learned my skills from other people in the bizz with alot of experience who were willing to train me and be patient. Never one time did I question their, experience, licensure, or training. The OJTs carried Histology through the transisition of licensure and passed the skills and knowlegde on to us young bucks to carry the torch. That is all...lol Nicole Tatum HT ASCP (hahaha soon to be HTL ASCP) :)~~~ LOL, I was waiting for this thread to turn into a fist fight. I knew it would. A Fl Licensed HTL is someone who oviously had to take more test than a ASCP certified tech if they got it from 19 years ago. How do I know, I'm one of those who had to take all those test way back then. Florida is pretty stringent who can do what with what. Not as much as they used to be, because now the only route is through ASCP. You will not work in a hospital as a histologist without a Fl License. Maybe in a exclusive provider private office, but that is the only exception. As far as Monkeys. Whew! I think that's whats wrong with our profession, one thing anyway. Too many people veiw it that way. Personally I wish the Histo programs would go back to teaching on campus with using the MLT course comparison. Not to bash anyone who is either involved or has been involved with the internet programs that have popped up everywhere, but I'm not seeing the same level of technical skill or knowledge come out of these programs. I'm sure there are many super students who do get it, but many times they are pushed through on thier short rotations and used as gophers etc and dont have the skills even sometimes to cut a block. And forget about knowing what a good control for a GMS is. I'd like to see our profession go back to min AS degrees in Histology. The certification only have hurt us and the pay scale is changing I feel because of it. Also, if you really want to promote our field and improve it, be supportive of your state going to a license for our practice. ASCP supports states requiring license. Thats my 2cents for the day. Happy Friday! :) Kim D From: William Chappell cha...@yahoo.com To: Davide Costanzo pathloc...@gmail.com Cc: histonet histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs I have respected Jay's input in the past, but I too must say something. Without realizing it, and by stating his opinion in a horribly crass way, Jay has touched upon an important truism. There are two types of histologists, those that have a job that pays the bills, and those who have a career in which they thrive. Neither are better than the other, both are needed. I suspect, however, that the majority of Histonetters -- especially avid contributors are in the latter group. I know I am. Histotechs who approach histology as a job, go into work, embed, cut, stain and go home. they are excellent techs, but are just not committed to expanding the field or doing more than is needed to provide the pathologist with a perfect slide. Jay refers to these people as no better than trained monkeys. That is a horrible insult with a small (very small) grain of truth. One day those histologists will be replaced by a mechanical/robotic process. The march of progress is unstoppable. The career histologist has a much longer life span however. We analyze and troubleshoot problems. We understand or endeavor to learn the organic chemistry of stains. We know EXACTLY how a Rabbit Monoclonal antibody is made. We know more about the practice of histology than ANY pathologist. We invent and develop antibodies and special stains. And we conceptualize and perfect the instruments that will replace the first group in the future. Jay, that is why so many are offended. We don't do this simply because it is a good paycheck. We are histologists because we are professionals who choose this career. You may be going to a job cutting slides (which is great and necessary), but we are enjoying our life. Will Chappell, HTL (ASCP), QIHC, MBA and histologist by choice, not accident On May 24, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Davide Costanzo wrote: I'm sorry - I cannot let this rest. The comment: we are just as much needed as
[Histonet] Embedding
We are having a problem with floaters in our blocks which occur during embedding. We have multiple forceps which are placed in heated wells and each cassette is embedded with a new forcep. We also wipe with a gauze, but we are still getting floaters embedded in the cassette from time to time. Does anyone do anything else to prevent this? Thank you, Ann ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] certification of Histotechnologists
Well said Pam. Sent from the iPhone of Kim Tournear. On May 25, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu wrote: The programs were dropped as the pathologist could still hold the training etcetera to suit their needs and not worry about allowing histologist to become part of the professional/complex testing world. In the 1960s when this happened we did few of the tests we are asked to do now and really rarely looked at slides. Microscopes were rarely available to most of us to even review our work. The changes in the field from routine histology to IHC have not been accounted for by ASCP and so far NSH has not made the grade for getting the field recognized as a part of the professional/complex testing world. We now have QIHC however; it does not help those of us in the Histology side in any way. The rest of the world is very different in how they approach this field and why it is needed for patient care. I sometimes feel here we are only servants to the pathologist and what they want. The pay scale has not gotten much better while the automated field in med tech are being paid more and required to do less hands on actual testing the way we do in Histology. Pam Mar -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:56 AM To: Janet Keeping; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Janet brings up an interesting point. The rest of the world (ie, besides US) has histo as part of the med tech program and then they specialize in their final year. I have worked with techs from many other countries and in general are far more knowledgeable than the majority of even certified techs in the US. The US med tech programs dropped histo decades ago. I'm not sure why. Pathology labs certainly benefitted financially because it allowed them to hire literally anybody to do the work. But even in the US the med tech schools are declining due to lack of enrollment. Probably due to automation in laboratories they just don't need as many people. Tim Morken -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Janet Keeping Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:38 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Just curious if any consideration has been given to including Histotechnology in your medical laboratory programs as we do in Canada? our graduates are certified for 5 different careers and shortages in one particular laboratory does not seem to be a problem. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Embedding
We make sure to clean the wells also. Little flecks of tissue are almost always in there after embedding. Sally Norton Seattle Children's -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Ann Specian Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:02 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] Embedding We are having a problem with floaters in our blocks which occur during embedding. We have multiple forceps which are placed in heated wells and each cassette is embedded with a new forcep. We also wipe with a gauze, but we are still getting floaters embedded in the cassette from time to time. Does anyone do anything else to prevent this? Thank you, Ann ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information protected by law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Embedding
we clean them at the start of our shift, but not during embedding. do you clean them during embedding too? -Original Message- From: Norton, Sally sally.nor...@seattlechildrens.org To: 'Ann Specian' thisis...@aol.com; histonet histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Fri, May 25, 2012 1:12 pm Subject: RE: [Histonet] Embedding We make sure to clean the wells also. Little flecks of tissue are almost always n there after embedding. Sally Norton eattle Children's -Original Message- rom: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] n Behalf Of Ann Specian ent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:02 AM o: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ubject: [Histonet] Embedding e are having a problem with floaters in our blocks which occur during mbedding. We have multiple forceps which are placed in heated wells and each assette is embedded with a new forcep. We also wipe with a gauze, but we are till getting floaters embedded in the cassette from time to time. Does anyone do anything else to prevent this? hank you, Ann __ istonet mailing list isto...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ttp://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for he sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and rivileged information protected by law. Any unauthorized review, use, isclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended ecipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of he original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists
These are interesting points. In my experience with the educational wing at least some ( non-histology educators) have about the same monkey assessment of what knowledge and skills are needed for histology as some others. They seemed to feel that an associates was unecessary, and also feel that any med tech, ( or just about anyone) can do histology, with or without training- so why do we need to have programs at all? Plus it's a money issue- based on enrollment. So on campus programs fell away and continue to do so. The alternative was to have the students train in an off site lab and attend class on campus. Finding those labs willing to take students for clinicals was challenging. Then came not even classes on campus, but on line. That seemed to provide something for some people. It is a better alternative than nothing, and some programs seem to be good, and can provide the theory. But based on my first hand experience, I came to the conclusion that for quite a few students, it just doesn't translate well. Before I get a flurry of angry responses, note that some people do quite well- it just depends on the individual and where their clinical site is. I just think that more people deserve to be set up to do well, and I think the education could be more unified and consistent. I am not even blaming educators, they do their best with what resources they are given- I just think that those resources are often not enough. I was lucky to have training in a program on campus, with good instructors, good clinicals, and then go on to work in a great lab with people who wanted me to succeed. I never entertained that this was a substitute for actual experience, but I did feel it gave me good fundamentals to get started, and I continue to learn everyday both on my own, and from others. Whenever I get sucked into this topic, it always gets construed that I am somehow insulting people who followed different paths- I am not! Experience is always valuable.There are good and bad examples in ALL professions, no matter the individual's education, training or experience. Education and experience are both valuable. They are just different ways of learning, and hopefully can work in synergy for each person. Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: timothy.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org To: keeping.ja...@gmail.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 08:55:58 -0700 Subject: RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists CC: Janet brings up an interesting point. The rest of the world (ie, besides US) has histo as part of the med tech program and then they specialize in their final year. I have worked with techs from many other countries and in general are far more knowledgeable than the majority of even certified techs in the US. The US med tech programs dropped histo decades ago. I'm not sure why. Pathology labs certainly benefitted financially because it allowed them to hire literally anybody to do the work. But even in the US the med tech schools are declining due to lack of enrollment. Probably due to automation in laboratories they just don't need as many people. Tim Morken -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Janet Keeping Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:38 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Just curious if any consideration has been given to including Histotechnology in your medical laboratory programs as we do in Canada? our graduates are certified for 5 different careers and shortages in one particular laboratory does not seem to be a problem. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] IHC for p21, p27, and RB
What has been people's experience with immunohistochemical staining for p21, p27, and Retinoblastoma (RB) gene protein on formalin-fixed, paraffin-embedded human tissue? Thank you. Richard Richard W. Cartun, MS, PhD Director, Histology Immunopathology Director, Biospecimen Collection Programs Assistant Director, Anatomic Pathology Hartford Hospital 80 Seymour Street Hartford, CT 06102 (860) 545-1596 Office (860) 545-2204 Fax ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists
1. The military (US Air Force) even followed this approach; maybe in alignment with the civilian sector, with a purpose of cost savings or efficiency (by eliminating the med-lab foundation before histology). However, I would like to think that they viewed histopathology as a stand-alone needed specialty that required more time to focus on skill development. For unlike med-lab, our profession is a truly an art and science. When I received my histopathology training via the military in 1994 at the AFIP at WRAMC, all future histotechnicians had to complete medical-laboratory school. Now there is no requirement to complete med-lab school. Nevertheless, I was grateful for the med-lab foundation. Although my passion is grand scale healthcare administration, I love this field and will always try to improve and maintain my SKA in it. Hence, is the reason why I'm studying for my HTL. This is more than a job, it is a profession and thus a career. In the military (also a profession and career), we learn that for a job to be a profession or career it has to have the following attributes: - High degree of generalized and systematic knowledge- from Fixation, Processing, Specials, Immuno, Ground Histology, etc. - Primary orientation to the community interest rather than to individual self interest- we are key to patient care; i.e. we produce a product that the pathologist relies on to make patient diagnosis. - A high degree of self control of behavior through codes of ethics and voluntary associations: Ours are establish like organization like NSH, ASCP, CLIA, FDA etc. - A system of rewards or a set of symbols of work achievement. Our HT, HTL certifications are part of this. Bottom-line: our profession has a body of theory and specialized knowledge; a service orientation and a distinct subculture. So be encouraged my colleagues, be proud and know that our profession is significant to the field of medicine. I would highly suggest if you ever have the chance at a state or national Histotechnology event to hear the lecture from a pathologistd about our professional culture and the history of our profession. It will instill major professional pride. V/r IRB Ian R. Bernard, MSHA, HT (ASCP) 10th Medical Group- Anatomic Pathology Lab USAF Academy, CO 80840 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:56 AM To: Janet Keeping; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Janet brings up an interesting point. The rest of the world (ie, besides US) has histo as part of the med tech program and then they specialize in their final year. I have worked with techs from many other countries and in general are far more knowledgeable than the majority of even certified techs in the US. The US med tech programs dropped histo decades ago. I'm not sure why. Pathology labs certainly benefitted financially because it allowed them to hire literally anybody to do the work. But even in the US the med tech schools are declining due to lack of enrollment. Probably due to automation in laboratories they just don't need as many people. Tim Morken -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Janet Keeping Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:38 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Just curious if any consideration has been given to including Histotechnology in your medical laboratory programs as we do in Canada? our graduates are certified for 5 different careers and shortages in one particular laboratory does not seem to be a problem. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Re: Elastic Stain
Hi Jim, You said We tried to use the HE as a counterstain bit it is still not where he wants it to be. What is the HE counterstain lacking that your pathologist wants to see? Teri Johnson, HT(ASCP)QIHC GNF Histology Lab Manager Genomics Institute of the Novartis Research Foundation 858-332-4752 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] IHC for p21, p27, and RB
Richard We just started working on a IHC protocol for p21 we tried the antibody from Dako, we looked at 1:25 and 1:50 at one hour RT incubation with pH9 retreival on some colon CA blocks, stain is specific to the nuclei with no background so far, but that's about all we have done, we were going to try an overnight incubation just to see what happens, overall we are not seeing a large amount of nuclei stain. It cross reacts with rat - that's the species we are working with. The rat samples stained but only a few nuclei. Both samples were formalin fixed. For p27 we have run this antibody just a couple times and it seems to work fine in our hands with FFPE tissues, we use human tonsil as a control. We used the one from Santa Cruz since our target was also rat. It worked well in both the human tonsil sample and the rat ovarian tumor we stained. Liz Elizabeth A. Chlipala, BS, HTL(ASCP)QIHC Manager Premier Laboratory, LLC PO Box 18592 Boulder, CO 80308-1592 (303) 682-3949 office (303) 682-9060 fax (303) 881-0763 cell www.premierlab.com Ship to address: 1567 Skyway Drive, Unit E Longmont, CO 80504 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Cartun Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:25 AM To: Histonet Subject: [Histonet] IHC for p21, p27, and RB What has been people's experience with immunohistochemical staining for p21, p27, and Retinoblastoma (RB) gene protein on formalin-fixed, paraffin-embedded human tissue? Thank you. Richard Richard W. Cartun, MS, PhD Director, Histology Immunopathology Director, Biospecimen Collection Programs Assistant Director, Anatomic Pathology Hartford Hospital 80 Seymour Street Hartford, CT 06102 (860) 545-1596 Office (860) 545-2204 Fax ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] AUTO: I will be out the afternoon of 5/25/2012 and be back 6/4 early Tuesday morning
I will be out of the office starting 05/25/2012 and will not return until 06/04/2012. If this is urgent or you need to speak to me directly you can contact me on my cell phone number 858-472-4266. If it concerns a Mohs to be scheduled you can e-mail me or call on my cell. If this is concerning a block, please call the department at 619-528-6801 or tie line 8-280-6801 Thank you. Note: This is an automated response to your message Histonet Digest, Vol 102, Issue 33 sent on 5/25/2012 9:38:38. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away.___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists
Janet and Richard, To answer your question...to my knowledge this has not been given consideration in the U.S.(I could be wrong). Perhaps you could explain this concept a little bit. I personally have a hard time understanding how an AP discipline (histology) is taught, mastered well enough and certified alongside clinical lab disciplines (microbiology, hematology, blood banking and general lab). To me this seems a daunting task. Am I to understand that in Canada and the UK someone certified in your medical laboratory programs is able to bounce around and work in the clinical labs and then be expected to show up in histology and work at a competent level there as well? I worked in a lab were an MLT came and helped us out now and then because she knew a little about histology. She did not cut sections too well and one day severely filleted her finger. Also, in a previous supervisory position I was asked by the general lab for help in flow cytometry from my tech specialist. He spent time down there helping out and worked in my lab as well (IHC specialist). His mind was about fried after 6 months or so and I felt it was an unfair and unrealistic expectation for him to perform at a high level in both areas. Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly. I believe the standard view in the US is that Histology and Cytology are close relatives in the world of anatomic path. The other medical lab disciplines, microbiology, hematology, BB, etc., have people floating around that understand the instrumentation and objectives of those areas. Seems it's fairly common for histologists here to assist and do testing for cytology (a bit of heme as well). Again maybe I just don't get the concept. Especially as our discipline develops and we find ourselves moving into the world of molecular pathology; not to mention the other areas of histology outside of human clinical applications. Thanks, Tom Jasper Thomas Jasper HT (ASCP) BAS Histology Supervisor Central Oregon Regional Pathology Bend, Oregon 97701 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Edwards, Richard E. Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:36 AM To: 'Janet Keeping'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Same in UK, I have never understood why the separation in the Land of the Free. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Janet Keeping Sent: 25 May 2012 12:38 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] certification of histotechnologists Just curious if any consideration has been given to including Histotechnology in your medical laboratory programs as we do in Canada? our graduates are certified for 5 different careers and shortages in one particular laboratory does not seem to be a problem. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] IHC for p21, p27, and RB
Calbiochem p21 (1:100) and Cell Signaling for the p27 (1:250) We use the Dako Flex Reagents on the autostainer. Low pH retrieval. I have more detailed protocol if you need it. Loralee McMahon, HTL (ASCP) Immunohistochemistry Supervisor Strong Memorial Hospital Department of Surgical Pathology (585) 275-7210 From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Cartun [rcar...@harthosp.org] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:24 PM To: Histonet Subject: [Histonet] IHC for p21, p27, and RB What has been people's experience with immunohistochemical staining for p21, p27, and Retinoblastoma (RB) gene protein on formalin-fixed, paraffin-embedded human tissue? Thank you. Richard Richard W. Cartun, MS, PhD Director, Histology Immunopathology Director, Biospecimen Collection Programs Assistant Director, Anatomic Pathology Hartford Hospital 80 Seymour Street Hartford, CT 06102 (860) 545-1596 Office (860) 545-2204 Fax ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
Jay did not make the monkey comment. Maybe I could have made that more clear. Scott Lyons made the monkey comment, not Jay. Jay does not use the m word to refer to friends and colleagues. Sincerely, Jay A. Lundgren M.S., HTL (ASCP) ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
