Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

2012-11-05 Thread Kim Donadio
Hi Histonetters. 
 
I was curious as to what measures or thoughts anyone had regarding the news 
from CAP about CMS cutting the 88305 TC by 52%. 
 
This is a devastating thought and from the news letter it is supposed to start 
1/1/13 and I dont see anywhere in here where it says specifically POL's. This 
loks to effect all of us. 
 
Here’s the news letter. Your thoughts are appreciated. 
 
Thanks
 
Kim D
 
 
CMS Cuts 88305 TC by 52%, Molecular Codes Go On CLFS
November 1—Advancing its commitment to contain health care delivery costs, CMS 
announced a series of physician pay cuts impacting pathologists in the final 
2013 Physician Fee Schedule (PFS) released today. Most notably, the agency 
lowered the technical component (TC) of the surgical pathology code 88305 by 
52%, although it raised the professional component (PC) by 2%, beginning Jan. 
1. This change alters the global payment for this code, which will decrease by 
33% as a result of this revaluation. The agency also announced that the newly 
developed molecular pathology CPT codes would be placed on the Medicare 
Clinical Laboratory Fee Schedule (CLFS). A new CMS HCPCS II G-code was created 
for situations requiring physician interpretation and reporting of these tests 
for Medicare beneficiaries.
The revaluation of the 88305 code—as well as other codes in this surgical 
pathology family—is not surprising. As directed by the health care reform law, 
CMS has been focused on scrutinizing high volume codes from all specialties as 
potentially overvalued services. Indeed, the 88305 code is not only high 
volume, but its TC has not been reviewed since valued in 2000
http://www.cap.org/apps/cap.portal?_nfpb=truecntvwrPtlt_actionOverride=%2Fportlets%2FcontentViewer%2Fshow_windowLabel=cntvwrPtltcntvwrPtlt%7BactionForm.contentReference%7D=statline%2Fspecial_report_final_2013_physician_fee_schedule.html_state=maximized_pageLabel=cntvwr
 
 





From: Kienitz, Kari kkien...@orclinic.com
To: Nails, Felton flna...@texaschildrens.org; 'Jesus Ellin' 
jel...@yumaregional.org; 'Cristi Rigazio' cls71...@gmail.com; Brendal 
Finlay brendal.fin...@medicalcenterclinic.com 
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
Webster, Thomas S. twebs...@crh.org 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Actually, the global payment for this code is being reduced by 33% according to 
the announcement. Regardless of the establishment, small lab; large volume lab; 
POL lab everyone will be taking a hit on this.  Even if the POL labs all dried 
up and went away, the remaining labs may get the work but they will be doing it 
for a lot less reimbursement. 


Kari Kienitz HT, (ASCP)
Histology Laboratory
Portland Gastroenterology
The Oregon Clinic
 NE 99th Ave
Portland, OR  97220
503.935.8311
kkien...@orclinic.com

From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Nails, Felton 
[flna...@texaschildrens.org]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:01 AM
To: 'Jesus Ellin'; 'Cristi Rigazio'; Brendal Finlay
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S.
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Before you holler political and blame the candidates, ask yourself who was hurt 
most by POL's?
Large reference labs.
With this change they will get back the business because it will not be 
profitable to establish a POL.
Also they lobbied for and increase on the PC, reference have pathologist, most 
POL's don't.
Just my thought

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'Cristi Rigazio'; Brendal Finlay
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S.
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

AMEN

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Cristi Rigazio
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:32 AM
To: Brendal Finlay
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S.
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Political yet?!  Seriously!  52%, while the PC is increased 2%... But in case 
anyone wondered both candidates for President are looking for the middle 
class!  Unbelievable!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Brendal Finlay 
brendal.fin...@medicalcenterclinic.com wrote:

 http://www.cap.org/apps/cap.portal?_nfpb=truecntvwrPtlt_actionOverrid
 e=%2Fportlets%2FcontentViewer%2Fshow_windowLabel=cntvwrPtltcntvwrPtl
 t%7BactionForm.contentReference%7D=statline%2Fspecial_report_final_201
 3_physician_fee_schedule.html_state=maximized_pageLabel=cntvwr


 Brendal Finlay, HT (ASCP)
 Medical Center Clinic
 brendal.fin...@medicalcenterclinic.com
 

Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

2012-11-05 Thread Rene J Buesa
Yes, it is a general reeduction.
René J.



From: Kim Donadio one_angel_sec...@yahoo.com
To: Kienitz, Kari kkien...@orclinic.com; Nails, Felton 
flna...@texaschildrens.org; 'Jesus Ellin' jel...@yumaregional.org; 'Cristi 
Rigazio' cls71...@gmail.com; Brendal Finlay 
brendal.fin...@medicalcenterclinic.com 
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
Webster, Thomas S. twebs...@crh.org 
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Hi Histonetters. 
 
I was curious as to what measures or thoughts anyone had regarding the news 
from CAP about CMS cutting the 88305 TC by 52%. 
 
This is a devastating thought and from the news letter it is supposed to start 
1/1/13 and I dont see anywhere in here where it says specifically POL's. This 
loks to effect all of us. 
 
Here’s the news letter. Your thoughts are appreciated. 
 
Thanks
 
Kim D
 
 
CMS Cuts 88305 TC by 52%, Molecular Codes Go On CLFS
November 1—Advancing its commitment to contain health care delivery costs, CMS 
announced a series of physician pay cuts impacting pathologists in the final 
2013 Physician Fee Schedule (PFS) released today. Most notably, the agency 
lowered the technical component (TC) of the surgical pathology code 88305 by 
52%, although it raised the professional component (PC) by 2%, beginning Jan. 
1. This change alters the global payment for this code, which will decrease by 
33% as a result of this revaluation. The agency also announced that the newly 
developed molecular pathology CPT codes would be placed on the Medicare 
Clinical Laboratory Fee Schedule (CLFS). A new CMS HCPCS II G-code was created 
for situations requiring physician interpretation and reporting of these tests 
for Medicare beneficiaries.
The revaluation of the 88305 code—as well as other codes in this surgical 
pathology family—is not surprising. As directed by the health care reform law, 
CMS has been focused on scrutinizing high volume codes from all specialties as 
potentially overvalued services. Indeed, the 88305 code is not only high 
volume, but its TC has not been reviewed since valued in 2000
http://www.cap.org/apps/cap.portal?_nfpb=truecntvwrPtlt_actionOverride=%2Fportlets%2FcontentViewer%2Fshow_windowLabel=cntvwrPtltcntvwrPtlt%7BactionForm.contentReference%7D=statline%2Fspecial_report_final_2013_physician_fee_schedule.html_state=maximized_pageLabel=cntvwr
 
 





From: Kienitz, Kari kkien...@orclinic.com
To: Nails, Felton flna...@texaschildrens.org; 'Jesus Ellin' 
jel...@yumaregional.org; 'Cristi Rigazio' cls71...@gmail.com; Brendal 
Finlay brendal.fin...@medicalcenterclinic.com 
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
Webster, Thomas S. twebs...@crh.org 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Actually, the global payment for this code is being reduced by 33% according to 
the announcement. Regardless of the establishment, small lab; large volume lab; 
POL lab everyone will be taking a hit on this.  Even if the POL labs all dried 
up and went away, the remaining labs may get the work but they will be doing it 
for a lot less reimbursement. 


Kari Kienitz HT, (ASCP)
Histology Laboratory
Portland Gastroenterology
The Oregon Clinic
 NE 99th Ave
Portland, OR  97220
503.935.8311
kkien...@orclinic.com

From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Nails, Felton 
[flna...@texaschildrens.org]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:01 AM
To: 'Jesus Ellin'; 'Cristi Rigazio'; Brendal Finlay
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S.
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Before you holler political and blame the candidates, ask yourself who was hurt 
most by POL's?
Large reference labs.
With this change they will get back the business because it will not be 
profitable to establish a POL.
Also they lobbied for and increase on the PC, reference have pathologist, most 
POL's don't.
Just my thought

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'Cristi Rigazio'; Brendal Finlay
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S.
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

AMEN

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Cristi Rigazio
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:32 AM
To: Brendal Finlay
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S.
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Political yet?!  Seriously!  52%, while the PC is increased 2%... But in case 
anyone wondered both 

RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

2012-11-05 Thread Bernice Frederick
Bear in mind it only 88305. 't's not the only CPT code we use for billing. Just 
all those biopsies..Yes, that will mess up those independent labs that just 
do biopsies.
Bernice

Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP)
Senior Research Tech
Pathology Core Facility
ECOGPCO-RL
Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center
Northwestern University
710 N Fairbanks Court
Olson 8-421
Chicago,IL 60611
312-503-3723
b-freder...@northwestern.edu

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Webster, Thomas 
S.
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:11 AM
To: 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu'
Subject: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

It is terrible for anyone that works in an AP lab. There will be job loss from 
this and some labs will close their doors. There is a lot of blame for this to 
go around. I blame client billing the most. The government is tired of being 
the pull through business for labs that are doing the TC so low. Why should 
the government pay so much when some labs are doing the TC for peanuts in these 
client billing schemes? I am sure that played a huge role in why they made such 
a drastic cut.


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Re: [Histonet] overfixation with formalin

2012-11-05 Thread Geoff

I agree with Rene, Barry, etc.

Geoff

On 11/3/2012 2:41 PM, Gudrun Lang wrote:

Hi histonetters!

I'm just attending a histo-course, where the teacher told us his opinion
about overfixation.

For him overfixation takes place in any formaldehyde solution with a
concentration above 5%. This should cause the margin-artefact, that leads to
false-positive IHC at the margins of the tissue and to false-negative
results in the center. The higher concetrated fixative should harden and
shrink the surface, so it cant be penetrated any more by the fixative.

  


I told him about the publication of Cecil Fox, who saw shrinkage only in
solutions with formaldehyde concentration above 30% (I think) and said, that
the methanol-part is responsible for that.

I believe, that these margin-artefacts are due to drying at the time of
biopsy or an effect of the needle-shot itself. (But believing is no
evidence)

  


In our lab we use 8% formaldehyde as standard fixative, buffered with
low-molar phosphatebuffer. There are no complains from the doctors about
margins.

  


Please help me with the histonet-wisdom. What's your opinion?

  


Bye

Gudrun Lang

  


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Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

2012-11-05 Thread Kim Donadio
88305 is the most common code anywhere, hospitals POL. 





From: Bernice Frederick b-freder...@northwestern.edu
To: Webster, Thomas S. twebs...@crh.org; 
'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu' histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Bear in mind it only 88305. 't's not the only CPT code we use for billing. Just 
all those biopsies..Yes, that will mess up those independent labs that just 
do biopsies.
Bernice

Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP)
Senior Research Tech
Pathology Core Facility
ECOGPCO-RL
Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center
Northwestern University
710 N Fairbanks Court
Olson 8-421
Chicago,IL 60611
312-503-3723
b-freder...@northwestern.edu

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Webster, Thomas 
S.
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:11 AM
To: 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu'
Subject: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

It is terrible for anyone that works in an AP lab. There will be job loss from 
this and some labs will close their doors. There is a lot of blame for this to 
go around. I blame client billing the most. The government is tired of being 
the pull through business for labs that are doing the TC so low. Why should 
the government pay so much when some labs are doing the TC for peanuts in these 
client billing schemes? I am sure that played a huge role in why they made such 
a drastic cut.


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RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

2012-11-05 Thread O'Donnell, Bill
I am not in a POL, nor private lab. 88305 is our bread and butter. Being part 
of a large national organization, some of their labs will weather it out, 
however, I am in a town of 33,000 people and the only local laboratory.. We are 
already in competition with clinicians who choose to send them to a cheaper 
outsource. A number of scenarios come to mind:

Cheap labs will no longer be any cheaper - we get the business back (most 
everyone in town as an alimentary canal and skin exposed to too much Sun) and I 
keep my job :) (Most everyone will retain their alimentary canals and skin so 
histology remains sustainable)

Cheap labs continue to bill less, increasing their volume by draining ours 
away and I lose my job. :(

Corporate starts housing regional laboratories, shutting down the smaller 
ones (like us) and I lose my job or I uproot my family and move to the 
regional. :!

Corporate could continue to subsidize the smaller labs, draining resources 
from other hospitals or services. However, 88305 is only one of many, many, 
many cuts across the health care industry. There may be no monies to redirect 
and a lot of people lose their jobs across the system in all disciplines. :(  :(

We offer something the cheap labs cannot and we weather the storm and hope 
for the best.

As to some of the comments made over the last few days about politics and 
politicians: I know who I support, but this issue is not even a factor. 
Healthcare reform is happening and will happen. Maybe in a different form, 
maybe not - but it is coming and in many ways, it is here. 

Example: Two years ago, the insurance company that covered my company health 
plan just abandoned their health care coverage. They cannot make a profit on 
it. We got another insurance company, and the coverage was less impressive, but 
the good news is I got to pay more for it! Another increase in premiums the 
next year and more slated for the upcoming enrollment. Its just the way it's 
going to be. Private option, public option, business option, but there is 
really no option.

What am I doing? I've kept a bathtub full of water since Y2K and learned to 
cure a ham, bake bread and make cheese, beer and wine. I also have two boxes of 
band-aids, two botttles of hydrogen peroxide and a clean toothbrush. Got a 
NetFlix subscription. Got a bible for guidence and a copy of Atlas Shrugged as 
a warning indicator. Kids are all married off and the wife doesn't eat much. 
Let the apocalypse come!

Have a greaty day! - Bill






-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Kim Donadio
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:33 AM
To: Bernice Frederick; Webster, Thomas S.; 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu'
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

88305 is the most common code anywhere, hospitals POL. 





From: Bernice Frederick b-freder...@northwestern.edu
To: Webster, Thomas S. twebs...@crh.org; 
'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu' histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Bear in mind it only 88305. 't's not the only CPT code we use for billing. Just 
all those biopsies..Yes, that will mess up those independent labs that just 
do biopsies.
Bernice

Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP)
Senior Research Tech
Pathology Core Facility
ECOGPCO-RL
Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center
Northwestern University
710 N Fairbanks Court
Olson 8-421
Chicago,IL 60611
312-503-3723
b-freder...@northwestern.edu

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Webster, Thomas 
S.
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:11 AM
To: 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu'
Subject: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

It is terrible for anyone that works in an AP lab. There will be job loss from 
this and some labs will close their doors. There is a lot of blame for this to 
go around. I blame client billing the most. The government is tired of being 
the pull through business for labs that are doing the TC so low. Why should 
the government pay so much when some labs are doing the TC for peanuts in these 
client billing schemes? I am sure that played a huge role in why they made such 
a drastic cut.


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[Histonet] Snap frozen to FFPE

2012-11-05 Thread Andrea T. Hooper
Hi All, Do you have a protocol for formalin fixation (and processing to FFPE) 
of a previously snap frozen piece of tissue? Or advice as to the best method of 
snap freezing for such a process (assume isopentane slurry)? We have done this 
for several tissues with our standard fixation and processing as we would for 
fresh wet tissue and have noticed an artifact. Advice is welcome.
 
Thank you, Andrea 
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[Histonet] slide and cassette labeler

2012-11-05 Thread Mary Fontaine

   Our  hospital  will be looking into a cassette = and slide labeler. We
   are  a  small  lab  with  a  volume of about 4000 surgicals= . I would
   appreciate  any suggestions on the company and model that has work= ed
   will for others. This may be a stand alone saystem that is not hook up
   t= o the hospital system .Thank you [1]mary.fonta...@vrh.org
   
References

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[Histonet] Histonet] thanks for your cooperation

2012-11-05 Thread C.D.G.

Rene J Buesa rjbu...@yahoo.com *** REPLY SEPARATOR ***

On 05/11/2012 at 09:44 a.m. Rene J Buesa wrote:
Estimado Carlos:
Adjunto está el trabajo de Fox et al y, como parece que te interesa el tema, te 
he adjuntado también dos trabajos míos sobre fijación con formol.
Saludos
René J.


From: C.D.G. late...@montevideo.com.uy
To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Cc: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: RE: AW: [Histonet] overfixation with formalin C.Fox pdf article





On 04/11/2012 at 07:01 p.m. joelle weaver wrote:

I will be pleased if someone could send to me a pdf copy of C.Fox article.
Thanks in advance,
Carlos Defeo
Histotechnologist
Montevideo,Uruguay




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Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

2012-11-05 Thread Kim Donadio
Yes Jesus, Thats what I was saying in short. This code isnt specific to a 
private lab, so those who think its only going to be private labs hurt by this 
they are wrong. 
 
and while I appreciate your positive spin on this. This is beyond devistating. 
I have worked in labs already where because of cost operational cost alone, 
then add staff, the budget was treading the red. I have spent the last few 
years squeezing blood from turnips. 
 
It seems once again the lab has gotten the shaft. 
 
It is very disapointing that CAP during its battle managed to get the 
Pathologist PC  a 2% increase, but such a huge HUGE decrease for our TC. 
 
Someone please tell me a joke or something. Perferably one where a woman walks 
in a bar.
 
 
 
 




From: Jesus Ellin jel...@yumaregional.org
To: 'Kim Donadio' one_angel_sec...@yahoo.com; Bernice Frederick 
b-freder...@northwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S. twebs...@crh.org; 
'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu' histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

This is for all of not matter if you are a POL, Hospital, and Reference. But 
read the remainder of the other cuts that are coming down.  We just need to do 
things smarter and also look at our process to improve,  I still think we have 
a outlook,, it is not as bright in the past though.

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Kim Donadio
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 9:33 AM
To: Bernice Frederick; Webster, Thomas S.; 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu'
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

88305 is the most common code anywhere, hospitals POL. 





From: Bernice Frederick b-freder...@northwestern.edu
To: Webster, Thomas S. twebs...@crh.org; 
'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu' histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Bear in mind it only 88305. 't's not the only CPT code we use for billing. Just 
all those biopsies..Yes, that will mess up those independent labs that just 
do biopsies.
Bernice

Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP)
Senior Research Tech
Pathology Core Facility
ECOGPCO-RL
Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center
Northwestern University
710 N Fairbanks Court
Olson 8-421
Chicago,IL 60611
312-503-3723
b-freder...@northwestern.edu

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Webster, Thomas 
S.
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 10:11 AM
To: 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu'
Subject: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

It is terrible for anyone that works in an AP lab. There will be job loss from 
this and some labs will close their doors. There is a lot of blame for this to 
go around. I blame client billing the most. The government is tired of being 
the pull through business for labs that are doing the TC so low. Why should 
the government pay so much when some labs are doing the TC for peanuts in these 
client billing schemes? I am sure that played a huge role in why they made such 
a drastic cut.


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RE: [Histonet] slide and cassette labeler

2012-11-05 Thread Blazek, Linda
Mary, 
Look into Primera Technologies.  They have a slide printer that would be ideal 
for your situation.  The distributer for them is Creative Waste Solutions 
http://cwsincorp.com/
Talk to Rex.  
We've had the slide printer for a while now and really like it.  Rumor has it 
that they may be coming out with a cassette printer in the near future too.
http://www.primerahealthcare.com/signature-slide-printer.html


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Subject: [Histonet] slide and cassette labeler


   Our  hospital  will be looking into a cassette =d slide labeler. We
   are  a  small  lab  with  a  volume of about 4000 surgicals= would
   appreciate  any suggestions on the company and model that has workí
   will for others. This may be a stand alone saystem that is not hook up
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RE: [Histonet] IHC negative controls

2012-11-05 Thread Patsy Ruegg
The thing is in my opinion that having the backing of CAP on this issue is a
good argument to make to CLIA for why you are not doing negatives for
polymer based detection IHC work, at least you will have some documentation
to cover your decision.

Patsy Ruegg, HT(ASCP)QIHC
Ruegg IHC Consulting, LLC
40864 Arkansas Ave
Bennett, CO 80102
Phone: 303-644-4538
Fax: 720-859-4110
pru...@ihctech.net
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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken,
Timothy
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:45 AM
To: Glen Dawson; histonet
Subject: RE: [Histonet] IHC negative controls

 Can anyone tell me if JHACO  CLIA are deferring to CAP's judgment that a
negative control is not needed when utilizing a polymer detection?
 
I assume that this is the case, but I'd like to be sure.


Short answer: 

Don't bet the farm on it. Each enforces CLIA regulations but have different
methods of doing so. There is no reason to think that  JC or CAP will defer
to the other in any particular situation. They really don't have anything to
do with one another. My experience is that CAP is more lab-method oriented
while JC is more total-process (patient admission to final result )
oriented.  

Long answer: 

Let's clarify this. CLIA is the law administered by the Centers for Medicare
and Medicaid Services (CMS). The Joint Commission and CAP are two different,
independent accrediting agencies deemed by CMS to enforce the CLIA
regulations. CMS/ CLIA does not defer to CAP or JC, rather CMS deems JC
and CAP to be their agent to accredit laboratories according to the CLIA
law.  CAP and JC cannot enforce anything without CMS/CLIA approval. The fact
that CAP allows labs to leave out negative controls in certain situations
may be approved by CMS/ CLIA regulators, but it does not follow that CLIA or
JC inspectors will follow the same rational. JC is totally independent and
can make their own interpretation of the CLIA regulations, which CMS can
approve, even if they are different than what CAP allows, as long as it is
within the scope of the CLIA regulations. JC can simply interpret it
differently and require negative controls (I don't know if that is the case;
I haven't yet looked over the new checklist this year).  

Tim Morken
Department of Pathology
UC San Francisco Medical Center


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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Glen Dawson
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:45 AM
To: histonet
Subject: [Histonet] IHC negative controls


All,
 
Can anyone tell me if JHACO  CLIA are deferring to CAP's judgement that a
negative control is not needed when utilizing a polymer detection?
 
I assume that this is the case, but I'd like to be sure.
 
Thank-you in advance,
 
Glen Dawson  BS, HT(ASCP), QIHC
Histology Technical Specialist
Janesville, WI
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RE: [Histonet] cutting bone with metal

2012-11-05 Thread Patsy Ruegg
Bone with metal implants will require ground sections prepared from methyl
methacrylate embedded samples, microtome sections even using tungsten
carbide knives and MMA embedding cannot usually be done in my experience.

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40864 Arkansas Ave
Bennett, CO 80102
Phone: 303-644-4538
Fax: 720-859-4110
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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee  Peggy
Wenk
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:16 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald
Subject: Re: [Histonet] cutting bone with metal 

Talk with Jack Ratliff, Chair of the NSH Hard Tissue Committee.

Jack L. Ratliff
615-236-4901
ratliffj...@gmail.com

The answer is Yes, histologic sections can be made, but need plastic resins 
(methyl methracylate or glycol methacrylate or something similar) and 
special microtomes and knives. If the researcher's lab doesn't do this 
technique, Jack can let him know who does, and the tissue can be sent out to

the specialty lab. Paraffin blocks on regular histology microtomes won't cut

it - literally and figuratively.

Peggy Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, MI 48073

The opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect on Beaumont Hospital.

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From: Jennifer MacDonald
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:38 PM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] cutting bone with metal

I have been asked the following question.  I do not have an answer and was
hoping someone in the Histonet community did.
Thanks.

There is a researcher who is doing orthopedic procedures on broken rat
tibias. The researcher is repairing the tibias with metal rods or
plates.not sure which (and the doctor isn't sure what kind of metal
either). The researcher wants to know if it is possible to make histologic
sections of the repaired tibias with the metal intact 


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[Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

2012-11-05 Thread Webster, Thomas S.
I wish there was a way to put a positive spin on this but  I can't think of 
any. We can only hope it kills off client billing somehow.

Whomever the stakeholder was that told CMS a typical 88305 costs 18 bucks, 
I'd love to know how he/she came up with that number. It's insultingly low.

http://www.acla.com/sites/default/files/ACLA%20comments%202012%20PFS%20proposed%20rule%208-30-11_3.pdf

I believe whoever it was had the goal to stop the proliferation of POLs. 
Wouldn't surprise me if they worked for a large national lab that had lost a 
lot of business to POLs.



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RE: [Histonet] IHC negative controls

2012-11-05 Thread Morken, Timothy
Could be, but my point, maybe not clear in my answer, is that you should check 
with your accrediting agency before an inspection and not assume that they will 
follow what CAP has said it will do.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Patsy Ruegg
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:56 PM
To: Morken, Timothy; 'Glen Dawson'; 'histonet'
Subject: RE: [Histonet] IHC negative controls

The thing is in my opinion that having the backing of CAP on this issue is a 
good argument to make to CLIA for why you are not doing negatives for polymer 
based detection IHC work, at least you will have some documentation to cover 
your decision.

Patsy Ruegg, HT(ASCP)QIHC
Ruegg IHC Consulting, LLC
40864 Arkansas Ave
Bennett, CO 80102
Phone: 303-644-4538
Fax: 720-859-4110
pru...@ihctech.net
-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:45 AM
To: Glen Dawson; histonet
Subject: RE: [Histonet] IHC negative controls

 Can anyone tell me if JHACO  CLIA are deferring to CAP's judgment that a 
negative control is not needed when utilizing a polymer detection?
 
I assume that this is the case, but I'd like to be sure.


Short answer: 

Don't bet the farm on it. Each enforces CLIA regulations but have different 
methods of doing so. There is no reason to think that  JC or CAP will defer to 
the other in any particular situation. They really don't have anything to do 
with one another. My experience is that CAP is more lab-method oriented while 
JC is more total-process (patient admission to final result ) oriented.  

Long answer: 

Let's clarify this. CLIA is the law administered by the Centers for Medicare 
and Medicaid Services (CMS). The Joint Commission and CAP are two different, 
independent accrediting agencies deemed by CMS to enforce the CLIA regulations. 
CMS/ CLIA does not defer to CAP or JC, rather CMS deems JC and CAP to be 
their agent to accredit laboratories according to the CLIA law.  CAP and JC 
cannot enforce anything without CMS/CLIA approval. The fact that CAP allows 
labs to leave out negative controls in certain situations may be approved by 
CMS/ CLIA regulators, but it does not follow that CLIA or JC inspectors will 
follow the same rational. JC is totally independent and can make their own 
interpretation of the CLIA regulations, which CMS can approve, even if they are 
different than what CAP allows, as long as it is within the scope of the CLIA 
regulations. JC can simply interpret it differently and require negative 
controls (I don't know if that is the case; I haven't yet looked over the new 
checklist this year).  

Tim Morken
Department of Pathology
UC San Francisco Medical Center


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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Glen Dawson
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:45 AM
To: histonet
Subject: [Histonet] IHC negative controls


All,
 
Can anyone tell me if JHACO  CLIA are deferring to CAP's judgement that a 
negative control is not needed when utilizing a polymer detection?
 
I assume that this is the case, but I'd like to be sure.
 
Thank-you in advance,
 
Glen Dawson  BS, HT(ASCP), QIHC
Histology Technical Specialist
Janesville, WI
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RE: [Histonet] IHC negative controls

2012-11-05 Thread Patsy Ruegg
So true!

Patsy Ruegg, HT(ASCP)QIHC
Ruegg IHC Consulting, LLC
40864 Arkansas Ave
Bennett, CO 80102
Phone: 303-644-4538
Fax: 720-859-4110
pru...@ihctech.net

-Original Message-
From: Morken, Timothy [mailto:timothy.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:10 PM
To: Patsy Ruegg; 'Glen Dawson'; 'histonet'
Subject: RE: [Histonet] IHC negative controls

Could be, but my point, maybe not clear in my answer, is that you should
check with your accrediting agency before an inspection and not assume that
they will follow what CAP has said it will do.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Patsy Ruegg
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:56 PM
To: Morken, Timothy; 'Glen Dawson'; 'histonet'
Subject: RE: [Histonet] IHC negative controls

The thing is in my opinion that having the backing of CAP on this issue is a
good argument to make to CLIA for why you are not doing negatives for
polymer based detection IHC work, at least you will have some documentation
to cover your decision.

Patsy Ruegg, HT(ASCP)QIHC
Ruegg IHC Consulting, LLC
40864 Arkansas Ave
Bennett, CO 80102
Phone: 303-644-4538
Fax: 720-859-4110
pru...@ihctech.net
-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken,
Timothy
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 9:45 AM
To: Glen Dawson; histonet
Subject: RE: [Histonet] IHC negative controls

 Can anyone tell me if JHACO  CLIA are deferring to CAP's judgment that a
negative control is not needed when utilizing a polymer detection?
 
I assume that this is the case, but I'd like to be sure.


Short answer: 

Don't bet the farm on it. Each enforces CLIA regulations but have different
methods of doing so. There is no reason to think that  JC or CAP will defer
to the other in any particular situation. They really don't have anything to
do with one another. My experience is that CAP is more lab-method oriented
while JC is more total-process (patient admission to final result )
oriented.  

Long answer: 

Let's clarify this. CLIA is the law administered by the Centers for Medicare
and Medicaid Services (CMS). The Joint Commission and CAP are two different,
independent accrediting agencies deemed by CMS to enforce the CLIA
regulations. CMS/ CLIA does not defer to CAP or JC, rather CMS deems JC
and CAP to be their agent to accredit laboratories according to the CLIA
law.  CAP and JC cannot enforce anything without CMS/CLIA approval. The fact
that CAP allows labs to leave out negative controls in certain situations
may be approved by CMS/ CLIA regulators, but it does not follow that CLIA or
JC inspectors will follow the same rational. JC is totally independent and
can make their own interpretation of the CLIA regulations, which CMS can
approve, even if they are different than what CAP allows, as long as it is
within the scope of the CLIA regulations. JC can simply interpret it
differently and require negative controls (I don't know if that is the case;
I haven't yet looked over the new checklist this year).  

Tim Morken
Department of Pathology
UC San Francisco Medical Center


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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Glen Dawson
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:45 AM
To: histonet
Subject: [Histonet] IHC negative controls


All,
 
Can anyone tell me if JHACO  CLIA are deferring to CAP's judgement that a
negative control is not needed when utilizing a polymer detection?
 
I assume that this is the case, but I'd like to be sure.
 
Thank-you in advance,
 
Glen Dawson  BS, HT(ASCP), QIHC
Histology Technical Specialist
Janesville, WI
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[Histonet] Background staining on H pylori

2012-11-05 Thread Deloris Carter
Hi,
I'm getting a lot of background staining on my HP's.  We use a Ventana
BenchmarkXT with ultraView DAB.  The problem seems to be escalating of
late, and I'm not sure why.  We use Hollande's on our GI biopsies, and run
them on a shorter run.  Nothing has changed in the processing of the
specimens, or the IHC procedure.  The antibody dispenser is a newer lot,
but not brand new, as we get the larger size due to the high volume of HP's
we run. Any ideas?

Deloris Carter HT(ASCP)
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RE: [Histonet] Background staining on H pylori

2012-11-05 Thread Joe Nocito
It might be the antibody itself. We are seeing the same problem. My doctor
also thinks that our antibody is picking up normal flora also. Now, when I
QC the slides I have to go by morphology. We have a couple of reps coming by
to boast about their HP. Let you know how that works out.

Joe

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Deloris
Carter
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 5:16 PM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Background staining on H pylori

Hi,
I'm getting a lot of background staining on my HP's.  We use a Ventana
BenchmarkXT with ultraView DAB.  The problem seems to be escalating of
late, and I'm not sure why.  We use Hollande's on our GI biopsies, and run
them on a shorter run.  Nothing has changed in the processing of the
specimens, or the IHC procedure.  The antibody dispenser is a newer lot,
but not brand new, as we get the larger size due to the high volume of HP's
we run. Any ideas?

Deloris Carter HT(ASCP)
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RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

2012-11-05 Thread Joe Nocito
I was working with a dermpath, who's friend is a dermatologist setting up
their lab. They stopped dead in their tracks. I mean 88305s would be their
bread and butter.

Joe

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:26 PM
To: Nails, Felton; 'Jesus Ellin'; 'Cristi Rigazio'; Brendal Finlay
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S.
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

EXACTLY SO!
POLs started to offer better prices to interested colleagues and by doing
so work started to drain into POLs with the pointed out result = less work
for Reference labs.
Do you think that large ref. labs like Quest or Lab.Corp were going to take
that drainage sitting on their hands?
Sure not! They are business with billions at stake and money to lobby.
This is the result. Blame the power of the lobbyists!
Policies and even sometimes democracy is tainted by big money.
Tell that to the Supreme Court that has ruled that a large company is
a person. 
René J.



From: Nails, Felton flna...@texaschildrens.org
To: 'Jesus Ellin' jel...@yumaregional.org; 'Cristi Rigazio'
cls71...@gmail.com; Brendal Finlay
brendal.fin...@medicalcenterclinic.com 
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu;
Webster, Thomas S. twebs...@crh.org 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Before you holler political and blame the candidates, ask yourself who was
hurt most by POL's?
Large reference labs.
With this change they will get back the business because it will not be
profitable to establish a POL.
Also they lobbied for and increase on the PC, reference have pathologist,
most POL's don't.
Just my thought 

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:52 AM
To: 'Cristi Rigazio'; Brendal Finlay
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S.
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

AMEN

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Cristi
Rigazio
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:32 AM
To: Brendal Finlay
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Webster, Thomas S.
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TC component

Political yet?!  Seriously!  52%, while the PC is increased 2%... But in
case anyone wondered both candidates for President are looking for the
middle class!  Unbelievable!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Brendal Finlay
brendal.fin...@medicalcenterclinic.com wrote:

 http://www.cap.org/apps/cap.portal?_nfpb=truecntvwrPtlt_actionOverrid
 e=%2Fportlets%2FcontentViewer%2Fshow_windowLabel=cntvwrPtltcntvwrPtl
 t%7BactionForm.contentReference%7D=statline%2Fspecial_report_final_201
 3_physician_fee_schedule.html_state=maximized_pageLabel=cntvwr
 
 
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 brendal.fin...@medicalcenterclinic.com
 850.474.8758
 http://medicalcenterclinic.com
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 From: Davide Costanzo pathloc...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:09:18 -0500
 To: Webster, Thomas S. twebs...@crh.org
 Subject: Re: [Histonet] Devasting news on 88305TCcomponent
 
 That is devastating! Do you have a link to this information?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 2, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Webster, Thomas S. wrote:
 
 Devastating I meant
 
 
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[Histonet] cost per HE

2012-11-05 Thread Cheryl


Depending on how I dice up labor and materials, I come up with a cost per slide 
(HE), from receipt of specimen to the slide in the Path's hands ranging 
everywhere from $6 to $9/ slide. 
 
HELP?  How do you distill your cost per slide??
 
Thanks,

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RE: AW: [Histonet] overfixation with formalin C.Fox pdf article

2012-11-05 Thread joelle weaver

Hi everyone- A number of people wanted a copy of the Fox article. Hopefully 
anyone who emailed me directly got their pdf since I don't think the histonet 
accepts group attachments. In case anyone else wants this great reference, I 
posted it on my blog in a post  hopefully viewable at the following URL 
http://histologyconnection.com/?attachment_id=201




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
  Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 22:23:36 -0300
 From: late...@montevideo.com.uy
 To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Subject: RE: AW: [Histonet] overfixation with formalin C.Fox pdf  article
 CC: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 
 
 
 
 On 04/11/2012 at 07:01 p.m. joelle weaver wrote:
 
 I will be pleased if someone could send to me a pdf copy of C.Fox article.
 Thanks in advance,
 Carlos Defeo
 Histotechnologist
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