[Histonet] RE: IF on FFPE

2013-03-20 Thread Preiszner, Johanna


Hi Netters,

I've read the paper, but it's not clear what temperature they reached during 
the first round of HIER. They do not give the volume of the first HIER 
solution, only the time and wattage of the microwave treatment.
And which procedure do they call first and second? It looks different in 
the Methods section from what they mean in the Discussion.

Hanna Preiszner



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Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:32 AM
To: histonet
Subject: [Histonet] IF on FFPE

Hi everyone, Several people have contacted me regarding the article I mentioned 
in my post yesterday.  Here are the details:



Immunofluorescence With Dual Microwave Retrieval of Paraffin-Embedded Sections 
in the Assessment of Human Renal Biopsy Specimens

AJCP 2013 139:71-78; doi:10.1309/AJCPRZG8EXN7BAID

Suozhu Shi, Qingli Cheng, Ping Zhang, Nan Wang, Ying Zheng, Xue-Yuan Bai, and 
Xiangmei Chen

Abstract: Immunofluorescence of frozen tissue sections (IF-F) is a classic 
technique for renal immunopathologic examination. However, it has certain 
disadvantages, such as diffuse antigen distribution and few or even no 
glomeruli in the section. We developed a new technique of immunofluorescence 
staining using dual microwave retrieval in paraffin-embedded renal tissue 
sections (IF-DMP) and compared IF-DMP with IF-F in 406 renal biopsy samples. 
IF-DMP detected significantly more glomeruli than did IF-F (P .001). There was 
no significant difference for the specificity and sensitivity in the detection 
of immunoglobulins, complements, κ, and λ between IF-F and IF-DMP. Concordant 
observations were 98% for all immunofluorescence, complements, κ, and λ 
staining and 100% for immunoglobulin staining. Both techniques were completely 
accurate in confirming diagnoses of various glomerular diseases. IF-DMP 
provided clearer images of tissue structure and more precise localization of 
antigens, and it is a suitable alternative for traditional IF-F in clinical 
renal immunopathologic diagnosis.



This is all foreign to me - we do IF on derm following an inherited protocol.  
I've never worked up any IF.  If anyone has thoughts on how to apply this to 
skin I'd appreciate it!



Thanks

Erin





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[Histonet] Solving the Puzzle...one piece at a Time - Texas Society for Histotechnology Symposium

2013-03-20 Thread kdwyer3322

All,

It's not to late to sign up for the Texas Society for Histotechnology State 
Symposium/Convention.  

Our meeting will include a career day for area high school students, slide 
contest for the HT students and a poster session.  

Attendees will get a chance to visit over 30 vendors and learn new techniques 
from 20 workshops to choose from. 


The meeting will be held at: 

 J.W. Marriott, 5150 Westheimer Road, Houston, Texas

When booking a room please let the hotel know you are with the Texas Society 
for Histotechnology 


We hope to see you in Houston!!
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[Histonet] Tri-State Histology Symposium

2013-03-20 Thread Glen Dawson
All, I am forwarding this to the histonet so that you have the opportunity to 
attend one of the best state conventions in the nation.  Hope to see you there. 
Glen Dawson  BS, HT(ASCP), QIHCWisconsin Histology Society President  From: 
Mitchell Jean A [mailto:jmitch...@uwhealth.org]
2013 Tri-State Histology SymposiumDear Histonetters:  You are invited to 
participate in the Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota Tri-State Spring Histology 
Symposium that will be held at the Hotel Julien, Dubuque, Iowa April 24-26th. 
There is an outstanding program of seminars and workshops that begin Wednesday 
afternoon April 24th and conclude at noon on Friday April 26th. Join us for 
education, vendor displays, socializing and histotech camaraderie as we look to 
a Roaring Return to Dubuque in 2013. For program, registration and 
vendor/exhibit information contact the following representatives: Iowa:  Judi 
Stasko (judith.sta...@ars.usda.gov) Wisconsin: Dawn Schneider 
(dawn.schnei...@ministryhealth.org) Minnesota: Sheri Blair 
(sheribla...@netzero.net) Vendor/Exhibit:  Dawn Schneider 
(dawn.schnei...@ministryhealth.org)   
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RE: [Histonet] Validation of Her2

2013-03-20 Thread Troutman, Kenneth A
Hi Jim,

The way I understand this guideline, you will need to send it to a lab that 
uses the same Ventana clone and instrument that you use.

Regards,

Ashley Troutman BS, HT(ASCP) QIHC
Immunohistochemistry Supervisor
Vanderbilt University Histopathology
1301 Medical Center Drive TVC 4531
Nashville, TN  37232
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We are working on validating HER 2 testing in our laboratory.  I see that the 
guidelines state that we should use 25 - 100 cases to complete our validation.
In the past we sent our Her2 IHC testing to Clarient and they performed the 
technical testing and then our pathologists would do the scoring.  So for 
validation we used 25 of the cases we sent to Clarient and then did them in 
house to compare.   Our comparison was nearly 100%.  Here is my question:

Clarient uses the DAKO method while we are using Ventana's antibody Pathway 
(4B5).   The validation guidelines state parallel by identical method in 
another lab with the same validated assay is also acceptable.  Can I assume 
that this means comparison with another lab for IHC HER2 testing and does not 
have to be using the same clone (DAKO vs Ventana)?

Jim

James Vickroy BS, HT(ASCP)

Surgical  and Autopsy Pathology Technical Supervisor
Memorial Medical Center
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AW: [Histonet] Immunofluorescence on FFPE skin

2013-03-20 Thread Gudrun Lang
HI Erin,
we tried to do the usual IHC-protocol for immunoglobulins on fixed
skin-biopsies for Pemphigus. (on Ventana Benchmark, with HIER in high pH
retrieval buffer). It gave very, very overstained sections. We didn't
continue this project, because usual IF is easier to fix , has worked for
ever and the results are typically described in pathology-literature.

But I think it could work, if you make a really high dilution of the
antibodies. And in mind of the brown melanin-pigment, a red chromogen would
give a better contrast.
In my opinion microwave plays no role - it just has to be HIER.

Gudrun


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Betreff: [Histonet] Immunofluorescence on FFPE skin

Hello all,



My pathologist gave me a copy of Immunofluorescence with Dual Microwave
Retrieval of Paraffin-Embedded Sections in the Assessment of Human Renal
Biopsy Specimens from the American Journal of Clinical Pathology.  He said
that the same principle should work on skin and he would like to be able to
do IF on fixed tissue in addition to our usual cryostat sections.  Has
anyone else read the paper who might be willing to give me some basic advice
to try working it out?  Is a microwave necessary (paper's method uses 2
different wattage settings) or is there a way to use HIER in waterbath or
pressure cooker?



Thanks in advance,

Erin



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[Histonet] question

2013-03-20 Thread Marilyn . A . Weiss
Thank you for your response about the squames and we are all wearing 
gloves now, if one uses them then we all do is my motto, although in 50 
years of cutting, this is the first time this has come up. . guess I was 
lucky. anyway, the same pathologists would like to know if there is a 
standard about wearing gloves in the histo world and if so, is it because 
of squames or although the tissue is fixed, is there chances of infections 
or something else. thank you.

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[Histonet] Glutamine Synthetase and HSP 70 IHC test availability

2013-03-20 Thread Sebree Linda A
Hello Histonetters,

One of our pathologists is requesting Glutamine Synthetase and Heat Shock 
Protein (HSP) 70 immunostains on a liver specimen.  Our usual go to reference 
labs do not perform these.  Are there labs out there that have these tests 
available?  Even non-reference labs???

Linda A. Sebree

University of Wisconsin Hospital  Clinics
IHC/ISH Laboratory
600 Highland Ave.
Madison, WI 53792

(608)265-6596
FAX: (608)262-7174


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Re: [Histonet] question

2013-03-20 Thread Alan Bright
Strange about the gloves when vacuuming out fresh tissue trimmings from 
cryostats and exhausting the air back into the lab is done.

Alan Bright

On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:07, marilyn.a.we...@kp.org marilyn.a.we...@kp.org 
wrote:

 Thank you for your response about the squames and we are all wearing 
 gloves now, if one uses them then we all do is my motto, although in 50 
 years of cutting, this is the first time this has come up. . guess I was 
 lucky. anyway, the same pathologists would like to know if there is a 
 standard about wearing gloves in the histo world and if so, is it because 
 of squames or although the tissue is fixed, is there chances of infections 
 or something else. thank you.
 
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Re: [Histonet] Glutamine Synthetase and HSP 70 IHC test availability

2013-03-20 Thread Richard Cartun
We are doing these markers, but, to be perfectly honest, I am not very 
impressed with their results.

Richard

Richard W. Cartun, MS, PhD
Director, Histology  Immunopathology
Director, Biospecimen Collection Programs
Assistant Director, Anatomic Pathology
Hartford Hospital
80 Seymour Street
Hartford, CT  06102
(860) 545-1596
(860) 545-2204 Fax


 Sebree Linda A lseb...@uwhealth.org 3/20/2013 5:07 PM 
Hello Histonetters,

One of our pathologists is requesting Glutamine Synthetase and Heat Shock 
Protein (HSP) 70 immunostains on a liver specimen.  Our usual go to reference 
labs do not perform these.  Are there labs out there that have these tests 
available?  Even non-reference labs???

Linda A. Sebree

University of Wisconsin Hospital  Clinics
IHC/ISH Laboratory
600 Highland Ave.
Madison, WI 53792

(608)265-6596
FAX: (608)262-7174


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Re: [Histonet] Best Carmine stain

2013-03-20 Thread Lee Peggy Wenk
If you are looking for glycogen - so a PAS. More sensitive and a deeper 
magenta color than the Best Carmine.


Curious, what is without water?
- The Frozen section? But there's water in the cells, which is what is 
freezing.

- The stain?? But most stains are made in water (aqueous stains).

Why do you need no water?

Peggy Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS

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Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:39 AM
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Subject: [Histonet] Best Carmine stain

Hello,
Any tips on doing Best Carmine on Frozen sections without water. Can we use 
mucicarmine solution to pick up glycogen in heart muscle?

Thank u,
Kiran
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[Histonet] HE Stainer Leica vs Sakura (Sophia Lin)

2013-03-20 Thread Contact HistoCare
Both stainers are powerhouses. The Leica has a plain menu screen with a simple 
interface while the Sakura has a LCD screen with detailed information about 
what stage the staining process a rack is along with multiple menus.  The 
difference between the performance changes drastically when the respective 
coverslipper attachments become involved.

The Leica is seriously no match for the Sakura in this respect. The Leica's 
coverslipper is its Achilles heel and requires a LOT more attention and alerts 
frequently, very frequently. It takes a separate rack for staining the slides 
at the beginning of the process and eventually transfers them to a different 
rack one the cover slip is complete. This one uses glass and frequently drops 
glass, creates bubbles, drops and breaks slides. You will have to frequently 
purge the system and clean the cover medium needle dropper.  Once done, it only 
holds. Two racks of 30 slides and will alert until you remove it. You can't 
leave this one alone for more than 5 minutes without an alert. Seriously.

The Sakura's coverslipper uses cover tape which won't need to be replaced not 
even remotely as soon as the glass in the Leica.  Finished slides remain in a 
carousel at the top and can hold about 10 racks of 20 before it alerts. For 
high volume, the Sakura pair wins hands down. You won't lose productivity time 
by needing to check on this machine pair.

HistoCare.com






Hi,

We are currently looking to switch out our linear MKII stainer for either a
Leica XL autostainer or the Sakura Tissue-Tek Prisma. Any recommendations?
Are quantity of HEs is increasing and we need adequate equipment to meet
our workload. The incorporated oven seems excellent on both stainers. Any
pros/cons would be greatly appreciated! Also, if you are currently using
the stainer, does it meet your workload and what is your volume?

Thanks!

Sophia
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[Histonet] RE: HE Stainer Leica vs Sakura

2013-03-20 Thread Lori White
Hi Sophia,
I am a big fan of the Prisma stainer. We have two of them - one for routine
staining, linked to the coverslipper and the other is used for Cytology and
some automated special stains.  We have had them for five years with no
problems other than the replacement of the door latches.
Lori

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Subject: [Histonet] HE Stainer Leica vs Sakura
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Hi,

We are currently looking to switch out our linear MKII stainer for either a
Leica XL autostainer or the Sakura Tissue-Tek Prisma. Any recommendations?
Are quantity of HEs is increasing and we need adequate equipment to meet
our workload. The incorporated oven seems excellent on both stainers. Any
pros/cons would be greatly appreciated! Also, if you are currently using
the stainer, does it meet your workload and what is your volume?

Thanks!

Sophia




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RE: [Histonet] HE Stainer Leica vs Sakura (Sophia Lin)

2013-03-20 Thread joelle weaver
I agree. The Leica stainer and Sakura are both good instruments, however I 
really HATE that Leica glass cover slipper and I had the same assessment as to 
need to baby sit. I sometimes preferred just hand cover slipping because it 
was less trouble, and even faster sometimes ( believe that or not). I had none 
of these issues with the Prisma covcr slipper, and no trouble with the user 
interface etc. I had the same issue with the door latch on the Prisma, but 
other than a quick replacement of that, it worked perfectly.




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
  From: cont...@histocare.com
 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:49:22 -0500
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Subject: [Histonet] HE Stainer Leica vs Sakura (Sophia Lin)
 
 Both stainers are powerhouses. The Leica has a plain menu screen with a 
 simple interface while the Sakura has a LCD screen with detailed information 
 about what stage the staining process a rack is along with multiple menus.  
 The difference between the performance changes drastically when the 
 respective coverslipper attachments become involved.
 
 The Leica is seriously no match for the Sakura in this respect. The Leica's 
 coverslipper is its Achilles heel and requires a LOT more attention and 
 alerts frequently, very frequently. It takes a separate rack for staining the 
 slides at the beginning of the process and eventually transfers them to a 
 different rack one the cover slip is complete. This one uses glass and 
 frequently drops glass, creates bubbles, drops and breaks slides. You will 
 have to frequently purge the system and clean the cover medium needle 
 dropper.  Once done, it only holds. Two racks of 30 slides and will alert 
 until you remove it. You can't leave this one alone for more than 5 minutes 
 without an alert. Seriously.
 
 The Sakura's coverslipper uses cover tape which won't need to be replaced not 
 even remotely as soon as the glass in the Leica.  Finished slides remain in a 
 carousel at the top and can hold about 10 racks of 20 before it alerts. For 
 high volume, the Sakura pair wins hands down. You won't lose productivity 
 time by needing to check on this machine pair.
 
 HistoCare.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 We are currently looking to switch out our linear MKII stainer for either a
 Leica XL autostainer or the Sakura Tissue-Tek Prisma. Any recommendations?
 Are quantity of HEs is increasing and we need adequate equipment to meet
 our workload. The incorporated oven seems excellent on both stainers. Any
 pros/cons would be greatly appreciated! Also, if you are currently using
 the stainer, does it meet your workload and what is your volume?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Sophia
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RE: [Histonet] question

2013-03-20 Thread joelle weaver
Maybe that is why some like the UV decontamination option? I know I prefer it.  
If there is aerolizing of any material or particles after that cycle, at least 
it whatever was trapped in the chamber would  have been decontaminated when you 
then vaccum. I think that the UV models have their own vaccum as I recall.  
Plus it is MUCH faster than the old defrots, wipe out, vaccum and rinse steps 
and air dry steps needed to decontaminate some ( usually older) cryostats.




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
  From: abri...@brightinstruments.com
 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:37:45 +
 To: marilyn.a.we...@kp.org
 Subject: Re: [Histonet] question
 CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 
 Strange about the gloves when vacuuming out fresh tissue trimmings from 
 cryostats and exhausting the air back into the lab is done.
 
 Alan Bright
 
 On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:07, marilyn.a.we...@kp.org marilyn.a.we...@kp.org 
 wrote:
 
  Thank you for your response about the squames and we are all wearing 
  gloves now, if one uses them then we all do is my motto, although in 50 
  years of cutting, this is the first time this has come up. . guess I was 
  lucky. anyway, the same pathologists would like to know if there is a 
  standard about wearing gloves in the histo world and if so, is it because 
  of squames or although the tissue is fixed, is there chances of infections 
  or something else. thank you.
  
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RE: [Histonet] question

2013-03-20 Thread joelle weaver
sorry for the misspelling in my previous post.




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
  From: joellewea...@hotmail.com
 To: abri...@brightinstruments.com; marilyn.a.we...@kp.org
 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:38:04 +
 Subject: RE: [Histonet] question
 CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 
 Maybe that is why some like the UV decontamination option? I know I prefer 
 it.  If there is aerolizing of any material or particles after that cycle, at 
 least it whatever was trapped in the chamber would  have been decontaminated 
 when you then vaccum. I think that the UV models have their own vaccum as I 
 recall.  Plus it is MUCH faster than the old defrots, wipe out, vaccum and 
 rinse steps and air dry steps needed to decontaminate some ( usually older) 
 cryostats.
 
 
 
 
 Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
   From: abri...@brightinstruments.com
  Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:37:45 +
  To: marilyn.a.we...@kp.org
  Subject: Re: [Histonet] question
  CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
  
  Strange about the gloves when vacuuming out fresh tissue trimmings from 
  cryostats and exhausting the air back into the lab is done.
  
  Alan Bright
  
  On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:07, marilyn.a.we...@kp.org marilyn.a.we...@kp.org 
  wrote:
  
   Thank you for your response about the squames and we are all wearing 
   gloves now, if one uses them then we all do is my motto, although in 50 
   years of cutting, this is the first time this has come up. . guess I was 
   lucky. anyway, the same pathologists would like to know if there is a 
   standard about wearing gloves in the histo world and if so, is it because 
   of squames or although the tissue is fixed, is there chances of 
   infections 
   or something else. thank you.
   
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RE: [Histonet] HE Stainer Leica vs Sakura (Sophia Lin)

2013-03-20 Thread Bartlett, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)
We have both and love them both. IF you are using tape coverslips then perhaps 
Sakura is your best bet. We use glass coverslips on BOTH the Leica and Sakura 
and find fewer problems with the Leica.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:49 PM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HE Stainer Leica vs Sakura (Sophia Lin)

Both stainers are powerhouses. The Leica has a plain menu screen with a simple 
interface while the Sakura has a LCD screen with detailed information about 
what stage the staining process a rack is along with multiple menus.  The 
difference between the performance changes drastically when the respective 
coverslipper attachments become involved.

The Leica is seriously no match for the Sakura in this respect. The Leica's 
coverslipper is its Achilles heel and requires a LOT more attention and alerts 
frequently, very frequently. It takes a separate rack for staining the slides 
at the beginning of the process and eventually transfers them to a different 
rack one the cover slip is complete. This one uses glass and frequently drops 
glass, creates bubbles, drops and breaks slides. You will have to frequently 
purge the system and clean the cover medium needle dropper.  Once done, it only 
holds. Two racks of 30 slides and will alert until you remove it. You can't 
leave this one alone for more than 5 minutes without an alert. Seriously.

The Sakura's coverslipper uses cover tape which won't need to be replaced not 
even remotely as soon as the glass in the Leica.  Finished slides remain in a 
carousel at the top and can hold about 10 racks of 20 before it alerts. For 
high volume, the Sakura pair wins hands down. You won't lose productivity time 
by needing to check on this machine pair.

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Hi,

We are currently looking to switch out our linear MKII stainer for either a 
Leica XL autostainer or the Sakura Tissue-Tek Prisma. Any recommendations?
Are quantity of HEs is increasing and we need adequate equipment to meet our 
workload. The incorporated oven seems excellent on both stainers. Any pros/cons 
would be greatly appreciated! Also, if you are currently using the stainer, 
does it meet your workload and what is your volume?

Thanks!

Sophia
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[Histonet] Leica XL autostainer in California?

2013-03-20 Thread Sophia Lin
Hi,

Thanks for the responses regarding the Leica XL and the Sakura Tissue Tek
Prisma! Just wondering if anyone in Southern California (Inland Empire/Los
Angeles) area has the Leica XL stainer? My tech and I would love the
opportunity to see it in action and to see it before we decide which to
purchase.
Please let me know if anyone in the southern california area has the Leica
XL and would allow us to stop by to see it! We would love to treat you to
lunch for your help!

Thanks!
Sophia
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