Re: [Histonet] The LEGAL side of specimen ownership
Townsend synth intro [dito dito dito dito nano dito nano dito] Washington University vs WJ Catalona (2005, 2008) dealt with the subject of research samples which had been formally donated to the university, not with body parts excised during the course of surgery that the patient wants to take home and cook or feed to their pet or have bronzed and display on the mantle. Actually the use of the donation form in the case of WU vs Catalona implies that the patient had rights over the material which were then waived by the completion of the form. The issue in "Catalona" was whether or not the researcher Catalona could retain some research tissue if the donor so directeed it to stay with him, or if the university could hang onto the stuff because it was donated to the university. Portuguese national law follows a Lockean interpretation of personal property rights that the body parts belong to the individual and on his death the ownership passes to the family. Nevertheless physical possession is always a large practical part of a legal right and it could be some difficulty wresting the material out of the clutching hands of biomedical bureaucrats. https://youtu.be/UDfAdHBtK_Q?t=445 E. Wayne Johnson DVM Enable AgTech Beijing Terri Braud via Histonet wrote: Sorry, E. Wayne, but in the USA, according to December 2004 JAMA The Journal of the American Medical Association 292(20):2500-5, recent examination of these issues by a US federal court resulted in a ruling that individuals do not retain rights of ownership or control of biological materials. It belongs to the receiving laboratory. A small collection of case law has determined that samples are controlled and owned not by those who contributed them but by researchers or their institutions. Taken together, the cases do not offer clear guidance; they are consistent only in their denial of a right claimed by individuals who contributed samples. Genet Med. 2011 Jun; 13(6): 569-575. It is not YOUR gallbladder if you go to a hospital to have it removed. It becomes the property of the hospital or where ever they chose to send it. DONG DONG Terri L. Braud, HT(ASCP) HNL Laboratories for Holy Redeemer Hospital 1648 Huntingdon Pike Meadowbrook, PA 19046 Ph: 215-938-3689 Fax: 215-938-3874 6. Re: release of body parts (E. Wayne Johnson) Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 23:32:13 +0800 From: "E. Wayne Johnson" Subject: Re: [Histonet] release of body parts I will take the other side of this argument. If you go to the Dentist and he extracts a tooth, it is the usual procedure that he gives it to you. After all it is "your tooth". Like wise, it's your gall bladder.? The legal department should understand that it is your personal property and the mining of it from your body gives the hospital no particular right to take control of it any more than they have the right to take control of a birthed infant. E. Wayne Johnson DVM Enable AgTech Beijing ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] The LEGAL side of specimen ownership
Sorry, E. Wayne, but in the USA, according to December 2004 JAMA The Journal of the American Medical Association 292(20):2500-5, recent examination of these issues by a US federal court resulted in a ruling that individuals do not retain rights of ownership or control of biological materials. It belongs to the receiving laboratory. A small collection of case law has determined that samples are controlled and owned not by those who contributed them but by researchers or their institutions. Taken together, the cases do not offer clear guidance; they are consistent only in their denial of a right claimed by individuals who contributed samples. Genet Med. 2011 Jun; 13(6): 569-575. It is not YOUR gallbladder if you go to a hospital to have it removed. It becomes the property of the hospital or where ever they chose to send it. DONG DONG Terri L. Braud, HT(ASCP) HNL Laboratories for Holy Redeemer Hospital 1648 Huntingdon Pike Meadowbrook, PA 19046 Ph: 215-938-3689 Fax: 215-938-3874 6. Re: release of body parts (E. Wayne Johnson) Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 23:32:13 +0800 From: "E. Wayne Johnson" Subject: Re: [Histonet] release of body parts I will take the other side of this argument. If you go to the Dentist and he extracts a tooth, it is the usual procedure that he gives it to you. After all it is "your tooth". Like wise, it's your gall bladder.? The legal department should understand that it is your personal property and the mining of it from your body gives the hospital no particular right to take control of it any more than they have the right to take control of a birthed infant. E. Wayne Johnson DVM Enable AgTech Beijing ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] release of body parts
Patients should not be given formalin. You can transfer the specimen to 70% alcohol, and hope they don't drink it. If you're in one of those unusual pathology services where photography is permitted, I wonder if you could offer the patient a photograph of the specimen by e-mail. Bob Richmond Samurai Pathologist Maryville TN ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Histotechs and IHC Specialists there's a new Biotech Company outside of Chicago that I'm working with and I need your help!
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Re: [Histonet] release of body parts
I will take the other side of this argument. If you go to the Dentist and he extracts a tooth, it is the usual procedure that he gives it to you. After all it is "your tooth". Like wise, it's your gall bladder. The legal department should understand that it is your personal property and the mining of it from your body gives the hospital no particular right to take control of it any more than they have the right to take control of a birthed infant. E. Wayne Johnson DVM Enable AgTech Beijing John Garratt via Histonet wrote: I suggest that path labs start a discussion with Risk Management team and lawyers to get advice on the tease of tissues to patients. The uterus in the landfill or the gallbladder at school “show and tell” will be sure to get your legal department on edge and the lab’s name in the local paper. When everybody is stretched to the limit to provide pathology should you also be providing a souvenir service when there is a perfectly good gift shop in the hospital? Having a process in place, like using a funeral home with a lab fee attached tends to sort out those who just want something to shows their pals at the coffee shop. John John Sent from ProtonMail for iOS On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 4:44 PM, Jay Lundgren via Histonet wrote: It's all fun and games until someone finds a uterus in a landfill. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] release of body parts
I suggest that path labs start a discussion with Risk Management team and lawyers to get advice on the tease of tissues to patients. The uterus in the landfill or the gallbladder at school “show and tell” will be sure to get your legal department on edge and the lab’s name in the local paper. When everybody is stretched to the limit to provide pathology should you also be providing a souvenir service when there is a perfectly good gift shop in the hospital? Having a process in place, like using a funeral home with a lab fee attached tends to sort out those who just want something to shows their pals at the coffee shop. John John Sent from ProtonMail for iOS On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 4:44 PM, Jay Lundgren via Histonet wrote: > It's all fun and games until someone finds a uterus in a landfill. > ___ > Histonet mailing list > Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
