The amount of time a cryostat takes to get to cutting temperature depends on the age of the machine, manufacturer, and air flow around the cryostat. We have 4 Avantiks the newer ones cool faster than the older ones and the one that is under a wall cabinet with about 2 feet from the top of the cryostat to the bottom of the cabinet takes about an hour longer to cool. The cryostats are kept at -27. The cooling time for the quicker one is 2 hours from room temperature (70 degrees Fahrenheit) and the slower one is 3 hours.
I would suggest you plan for 4 hours and monitor the cooling time so you know for the next time you need to shutdown the cryostat. I have had Leicas and Thermo Fisher cryostats and they were different. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- >From: histonet-requ...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >Sent: Sep 5, 2019 1:00 PM >To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >Subject: Histonet Digest, Vol 190, Issue 3 > >Send Histonet mailing list submissions to > histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > histonet-requ...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > histonet-ow...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Histonet digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: CPT Code 88172 (Webster, Thomas S.) > 2. Re: CPT Code 88172 (Joe W. Walker, Jr.) > 3. Re: CPT Code 88172 (Victoria Baker) > 4. PPE for frozen sections (Moe, Barbi A) > 5. DAKO Artisan special stain kit validations (Moe, Barbi A) > 6. Cryostat to room temperature (Moe, Barbi A) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 17:31:03 +0000 >From: "Webster, Thomas S." <twebs...@crh.org> >To: "'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu'" > <histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> >Subject: Re: [Histonet] CPT Code 88172 >Message-ID: <c1b0151f7533491c840b8b61238a4...@crh.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >You can only bill for 88172 if the pathologist looks at the FNA slide(s) >during the procedure. Otherwise do not attempt to bill for it. It is a >physician code. > > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: >This e-mail message, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the >intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged >information. You may NOT use, disclose, copy or disseminate this >information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the >sender by reply e-mail immediately. Please destroy all copies of the >original message and all attachments. Your cooperation is greatly >appreciated. >Columbus Regional Hospital >2400 East 17th Street >Columbus, Indiana 47201 > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 18:07:26 +0000 >From: "Joe W. Walker, Jr." <jwwal...@rrmc.org> >To: "Webster, Thomas S." <twebs...@crh.org> >Cc: "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu" > <histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> >Subject: Re: [Histonet] CPT Code 88172 >Message-ID: > > <cy4pr11mb1879729369835f4036b46facbb...@cy4pr11mb1879.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Hi Thomas, > >What is your reference source for stating this is "a physician code"? In >reviewing our coding data, this code carries a facilities component in >addition to a professional component. I agree that a pathologist must perform >the review in order to bill for both, but I am aware of people in New England >who bill just the TC when a technologist provides the adequacy interpretation >and some payers cover this charge. > >Joe W. Walker, Jr. MS, SCT(ASCP) >Anatomical Pathology Manager >joewal...@rrmc.org, www.rrmc.org > >-----Original Message----- >From: Webster, Thomas S. via Histonet <histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> >Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 1:31 PM >To: 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu' <histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> >Subject: Re: [Histonet] CPT Code 88172 > >[External Email] This email originated from outside of the organization. Think >before you click: Don?t click on links, open attachments or respond to >requests for sensitive information if the email looks suspicious or you don?t >recognize the sender. > > >You can only bill for 88172 if the pathologist looks at the FNA slide(s) >during the procedure. Otherwise do not attempt to bill for it. 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Your cooperation is greatly appreciated. >Columbus Regional Hospital >2400 East 17th Street >Columbus, Indiana 47201 >_______________________________________________ >Histonet mailing list >Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.utsouthwestern.edu%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fhistonet&data=02%7C01%7Cjwwalker%40rrmc.org%7Cc6674fb9f46141aa02c008d7315dc983%7C0e55647d438e4a448437e959c3cf2240%7C0%7C0%7C637032151201028134&sdata=AbLhd3nb7zc%2Bh2ytKU9qGqVg4wxffGvzrcC5wrXJ6cE%3D&reserved=0 >[https://www.rrmc.org/app/files/public/2633/2019_hyht_sig-_jan2019_final.jpg] > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 14:44:20 -0400 >From: Victoria Baker <bakevicto...@gmail.com> >To: "Knutson, Deanne" <dknut...@primecare.org> >Cc: Histo Net list server <HistoNet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> >Subject: Re: [Histonet] CPT Code 88172 >Message-ID: > <CALYZRmQGL1suo_abt_Ba=sq77hnc9d9psn4rfih20ofuccn...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >Hi, > >I just referred back to my sometimes frustrating clear as mud 2019 CPT >coding binder. >88172 is not saying that it has to be done by a pathologist. In many cases >it is completed by a Cytotechnologist. >The precise wording says >"Cytopathology, evaluation of fine needle aspirate; immediate >cytohistologic study to determine adequacy for diagnosis, first evaluation >episode each site >The professional code comes in on 88173 where it involves the >interpretation and report. > >The stance that it is a tech component comes from the >Cytologist/pathologist obtaining the specimen. However they are >responsible for the adequacy of of the specimen. The argument goes both >ways. > >At this institution we use it as a professional code only. > >Vikki > >On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, 11:43 AM Knutson, Deanne via Histonet < >histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> wrote: > >> Hello Histonetters! >> >> I am wondering how others may be using the cpt code 88172-T? Like in what >> type of scenarios? >> >> Thank you for your responses. >> >> Deanne Knutson >> Supervisor >> Anatomic Pathology >> dknut...@primecare.org<mailto:dknut...@primecare.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> This email may include confidential and privileged information. If this is >> not intended for your use, please destroy immediately and contact the >> sender of the message. >> >> This email and attachments contain information that may be confidential or >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, notify the sender at >> once and delete this message completely from your information system. >> Further use, disclosure, or copying of information contained in this email >> is not authorized, and any such action should not be construed as a waiver >> of privilege or other confidentiality protections. >> _______________________________________________ >> Histonet mailing list >> Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >> http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 19:47:30 +0000 >From: "Moe, Barbi A" <ba...@gundersenhealth.org> >To: "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu" > <histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> >Subject: [Histonet] PPE for frozen sections >Message-ID: > > <dm5pr10mb162558079a9e105faae2aa7fa1...@dm5pr10mb1625.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Could anyone share what PPE you are required to wear when performing a frozen >section? > >If doing a frozen section on a piece of lung or mediastinal nodes are you >required to wear a respirator such as N95 or even a PAP-R? > >Any thoughts are appreciated. > >Barb Moe >Histology Lab >Gundersen Health Systems >La Crosse WI >ba...@gundersenhealth.org<mailto:ba...@gundersenhealth.org> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 19:51:41 +0000 >From: "Moe, Barbi A" <ba...@gundersenhealth.org> >To: "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu" > <histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> >Subject: [Histonet] DAKO Artisan special stain kit validations >Message-ID: > > <dm5pr10mb16257bc4f8dc9e0364f3db46a1...@dm5pr10mb1625.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >For those that are using the DAKO Artisan for special stains could you comment >on how you are handling implementing new kits? > >When a new lot number on a kit is received do you run a positive AND negative >control either prior to use or concurrent with a patient case? > >Any thoughts are appreciated. > >Barb Moe >Histology Lab >Gundersen Health System >La Crosse WI >ba...@gundersenhealth.org<mailto:ba...@gundersenhealth.org> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 20:25:59 +0000 >From: "Moe, Barbi A" <ba...@gundersenhealth.org> >To: "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu" > <histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu> >Subject: [Histonet] Cryostat to room temperature >Message-ID: > > <dm5pr10mb1625f623ed9266eba7776c77a1...@dm5pr10mb1625.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Does anyone know how long it would take a cryostat that is maintained at >approx. -22 degrees C to come to room temperature after being turned off? > >Any thoughts are appreciated. > >Barb Moe >Histology Lab >Gundersen Health Systems >La Crosse WI >ba...@gundersenhealth.org<mailto:ba...@gundersenhealth.org> > > > >------------------------------ > >Subject: Digest Footer > >_______________________________________________ >Histonet mailing list >Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > >------------------------------ > >End of Histonet Digest, Vol 190, Issue 3 >**************************************** _______________________________________________ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
