Re: [Histonet] My perfusion problem

2013-07-18 Thread Ignacio Ruz Caracuel
Hi!

When I used to do whole body perfusion, it tooks me around 10 minutes to
perfuse with 0,9% salin and another 10 minutes with PFA. (Sorry, I haven´t
with me the rpm) but it was around 300 ml of each.

I think you have to increase the amount of 0,9% salin you perfuse (because
you have increased the circuit) to avoid clot formation.

I hope you find it useful and I wish you good luck!

Ignacio Ruz-Caracuel
Medical Student, Histology Intern Student
Faculty of Medicine,
University of Córdoba
SPAIN



2013/7/17 Leila Etemadi leila.etem...@med.lu.se

 Hi,

  I am desperately looking for an answer to my problem in perfusion
 procedure.

 What is my problem?

 To explain that I thought first I may clear what is my usual routin.

 I used to perfuse rat's brain through this procedure:

 1- Anesthetise animal with sufficient amount of pentobarbital.

 2- Clamp the vessel lying beside vertebra in the back, and then using a
 perfusion pump with an 17 or 18 gauge blunted needle inserted into the
 ascending aorta.

 3- Washout blood with 0.9% salin ( room temperature),  150-200 ml, 76 rpm
 speed ( usually I wait to see the out put solution from the heart is not
 looking so red/ blood look like).

 4- Switch to the 4% cold paraformaldehyde ( with buffer, 7.4 pH) ( on ice
 cold), 150-200 ml, 46 rpm speed. ( some times I can see the formalin dance
 but not always !).

 5- after using this amount of PFA normally the neck part is quite stiff,
 then animal will be decapitated. I extract the brain right away, postfix in
 PFA over the night ( 4°c in the refrigerator).

 6- Move to the sucrose 20%. When I saw brain is sinking in the solution (
 which normally it happens in one and half day), I freeze the brain on dry
 ice quickly.

 The results of this procedure is good enough histology after dissection
 with cryostat ( 12-20µm).



 For my recent project I need brain and spinal cord both so basically I
 skip clamping the back

 along vertebra to circulate solution through whole body ( I didn't change
 any other steps, so I do

 exactly whatever I mentioned above except for spinal cord post fixation in
 PFA is about 2 hours).

 After sectioning ( 16µm), I've got a proper tissue from spinal cord but
 when it comes to the

 brain result is quite different !!, when I replaced my sections on the
 slide ( with plus charge),

 suddenly a lot of hole began to shaped in the tissue which practically
 ruined the entire

 piece..!!!,

  First I had no clue for what I could see but then I noticed during post
 fixation procedure, when I

 transfer brain from PFA solution to the sucrose, brain is sinking right
 away ( it is not

 floating at all, as it suppose to do..) !

 So I've run another perfusion procedure but this time when I reached to
 the washing out by cold

 PFA I didn't decreased the pump speed ( as normally I decrease it from 76
 rpm to 46 rpm,

 this time I run whole procedure with the speed of 76 rpm), on the other
 hand I used more PFA

 solution ( about 350 ml PFA). After extracting brain I noticed brain was
 looking dried up.

 during post fixation and cryoprotection procedure (sucrose solution),
 sinking was looking normal,

 but after sectioning of course brain tissue was destroyed again!!!

 Now, I need your expert advices for my problem. I apologise for my naivety
 on this subject in advance.


 Humbly appreciate for your great time and attention in advance. I severely
 looking forward to your help and valuable tips.


 With the best,

 Leila









 Leila Etemadi
 M.Sc., Ph.D Candidate
 Neuronano Research Center (NRC)
 Lund University, BMC F10
 Sweden

 Tel: +46-46-2221503tel:+46-46-2221503
 E-mail: leila.etem...@med.lu.semailto:leila.etem...@med.lu.se











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[Histonet] My perfusion problem

2013-07-17 Thread Leila Etemadi
Hi,

 I am desperately looking for an answer to my problem in perfusion procedure.

What is my problem?

To explain that I thought first I may clear what is my usual routin.

I used to perfuse rat's brain through this procedure:

1- Anesthetise animal with sufficient amount of pentobarbital.

2- Clamp the vessel lying beside vertebra in the back, and then using a 
perfusion pump with an 17 or 18 gauge blunted needle inserted into the 
ascending aorta.

3- Washout blood with 0.9% salin ( room temperature),  150-200 ml, 76 rpm speed 
( usually I wait to see the out put solution from the heart is not looking so 
red/ blood look like).

4- Switch to the 4% cold paraformaldehyde ( with buffer, 7.4 pH) ( on ice 
cold), 150-200 ml, 46 rpm speed. ( some times I can see the formalin dance but 
not always !).

5- after using this amount of PFA normally the neck part is quite stiff, then 
animal will be decapitated. I extract the brain right away, postfix in PFA over 
the night ( 4°c in the refrigerator).

6- Move to the sucrose 20%. When I saw brain is sinking in the solution ( which 
normally it happens in one and half day), I freeze the brain on dry ice quickly.

The results of this procedure is good enough histology after dissection with 
cryostat ( 12-20µm).



For my recent project I need brain and spinal cord both so basically I skip 
clamping the back

along vertebra to circulate solution through whole body ( I didn't change any 
other steps, so I do

exactly whatever I mentioned above except for spinal cord post fixation in PFA 
is about 2 hours).

After sectioning ( 16µm), I've got a proper tissue from spinal cord but when it 
comes to the

brain result is quite different !!, when I replaced my sections on the slide ( 
with plus charge),

suddenly a lot of hole began to shaped in the tissue which practically ruined 
the entire

piece..!!!,

 First I had no clue for what I could see but then I noticed during post 
fixation procedure, when I

transfer brain from PFA solution to the sucrose, brain is sinking right away ( 
it is not

floating at all, as it suppose to do..) !

So I've run another perfusion procedure but this time when I reached to the 
washing out by cold

PFA I didn't decreased the pump speed ( as normally I decrease it from 76 rpm 
to 46 rpm,

this time I run whole procedure with the speed of 76 rpm), on the other hand I 
used more PFA

solution ( about 350 ml PFA). After extracting brain I noticed brain was 
looking dried up.

during post fixation and cryoprotection procedure (sucrose solution), sinking 
was looking normal,

but after sectioning of course brain tissue was destroyed again!!!

Now, I need your expert advices for my problem. I apologise for my naivety on 
this subject in advance.


Humbly appreciate for your great time and attention in advance. I severely 
looking forward to your help and valuable tips.


With the best,

Leila









Leila Etemadi
M.Sc., Ph.D Candidate
Neuronano Research Center (NRC)
Lund University, BMC F10
Sweden

Tel: +46-46-2221503tel:+46-46-2221503
E-mail: leila.etem...@med.lu.semailto:leila.etem...@med.lu.se











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