[Histonet] Re: Tissue Processors
Dear Tim, Here's the deal, they all work. When buying new, I bought the VIP5 due to its great reputation. It was and still is a workhorse. Teri Johnson, HT(ASCP)QIHC GNF Histology Lab Manager Genomics Institute of the Novartis Research Foundation 858-332-4752 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Re: Tissue Processors
If I may, I would like to add something: do you remember the sales success of the VW Beetle? Why was it a success? Because of its simplicity. They did not even have a gasoline gage and if you ran out of gasoline there was 1 extra gallon reserve that you opened with a handle underneath the passenger's seat. No thrills, no complexity. You could repair it yourself. Try to do now with a new VW Beetle, the new ones with the motor at the front of the car. You will not be able to do it. For the same reason there are labs that today still use the carousel type tissue processors, the Technicon type still manufactured (now by Leica and some Indian and Chinese lab manufacturers). Something similar can be said to the basic VIP with less valves, less automation but extremely reliable. Those more automated with hands-free reagents transfer by laws of probability have to be more prone to failure. More components = greater parts to go wrong. Regarding lower exposure to reagents, that depends on the reagents, not on the instrument. It is well documented at this moment that the only reagents you need to process tissue and obtain the best quality possible is with innocuous reagents in a protocol using isopropyl alcohol → mineral oil → paraffin neither are noxious to the techs' health. This is my humble opinion. René J. From: Teri Johnson tjohn...@gnf.org To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 11:37 AM Subject: [Histonet] Re: Tissue Processors Dear Tim, Here's the deal, they all work. When buying new, I bought the VIP5 due to its great reputation. It was and still is a workhorse. Teri Johnson, HT(ASCP)QIHC GNF Histology Lab Manager Genomics Institute of the Novartis Research Foundation 858-332-4752 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Re: Tissue Processors
Well stated - agree 100%. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:55 AM To: Teri Johnson; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Re: Tissue Processors If I may, I would like to add something: do you remember the sales success of the VW Beetle? Why was it a success? Because of its simplicity. They did not even have a gasoline gage and if you ran out of gasoline there was 1 extra gallon reserve that you opened with a handle underneath the passenger's seat. No thrills, no complexity. You could repair it yourself. Try to do now with a new VW Beetle, the new ones with the motor at the front of the car. You will not be able to do it. For the same reason there are labs that today still use the carousel type tissue processors, the Technicon type still manufactured (now by Leica and some Indian and Chinese lab manufacturers). Something similar can be said to the basic VIP with less valves, less automation but extremely reliable. Those more automated with hands-free reagents transfer by laws of probability have to be more prone to failure. More components = greater parts to go wrong. Regarding lower exposure to reagents, that depends on the reagents, not on the instrument. It is well documented at this moment that the only reagents you need to process tissue and obtain the best quality possible is with innocuous reagents in a protocol using isopropyl alcohol → mineral oil → paraffin neither are noxious to the techs' health. This is my humble opinion. René J. From: Teri Johnson tjohn...@gnf.org To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 11:37 AM Subject: [Histonet] Re: Tissue Processors Dear Tim, Here's the deal, they all work. When buying new, I bought the VIP5 due to its great reputation. It was and still is a workhorse. Teri Johnson, HT(ASCP)QIHC GNF Histology Lab Manager Genomics Institute of the Novartis Research Foundation 858-332-4752 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet The information in this communication is intended to be confidential to the Individual(s) and/or Entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain information of a Privileged and/or Confidential nature, which is subject to Federal and/or State privacy regulations. In the event that you are not the intended recipient or the agent of the intended recipient, do not copy or use the information contained within this communication, or allow it to be read, copied or utilized in any manner, by any other person(s). Should this communication be received in error, please notify the sender immediately either by response e-mail or by phone, and permanently delete the original e-mail, attachment(s), and any copies. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Re: Tissue Processors
Hi Joe, We just completed an extensive tissue processor evaluation. We have an Excelsior and use it exclusively for biopsies. It is a good processor with very little hands-on maintenance, with the one exception that you cannot access the reagent bottles for regular cleaning. This becomes a problem if using for larger, fatty tissues. My concern with the Peloris is the possibility of downtime affecting both retorts. We do not have the luxury of purchasing two dual retort processors and I could not be without the capacity of the two retorts for any length of time. You can't beat Sakura for tried and true technology (we have 2 old VIP K series still kicking) and excellent service. Good luck in your decision. Lori W. -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:55:53 -0600 From: Joe Nocito jnoc...@satx.rr.com Subject: [Histonet] Tissue Processors To: Histonet histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Message-ID: 48ABF837D7084DCCB45CADF5F2B3F20A@JoePC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Greetings all, if you had to purchase new tissue processors, which one would you choose? Microwave technology is out of the question. Are Sakura's still a good buy? We've tried the Leica Peloris and the Shandon Pathcenters. Thanks for your help Joe ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Re: tissue processors
hello, we are in the market for a new/replacement tissue processor. If you have experience and/or pertinent detailed info on any of the following will you please share with me ASAP? *1.*ThermoShandon Citadel 2000 Tissue Processor, *2.* Leica TP 1020 Automatic Tissue Processor, and last but not least *3.* VIP 1000 Floor Tissue Processor. Thank you kindly. Atoska ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Re: tissue processors
I worked with a VIP 1000 well over 20 years ago. This is a dinosaur! Issues that will come to haunt you: The retort lid will warp over time (if it isn't already warped). Minor overtensioning of the clamps cause this. Many years ago we were told that new lids were no longer available. The printed circuit boards failed on a regular basis. Last I heard, they were no longer made. Perhaps an aftermarket parts are now available for these issues. I remember these units were real work horses. But they had no where near the bells and whistles you get with more modern units. Good luck! Joe From: Atoska Gentry gent...@vetmed.auburn.edu To: Histonet histo...@pathology.swmed.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:30:54 PM Subject: [Histonet] Re: tissue processors hello, we are in the market for a new/replacement tissue processor. If you have experience and/or pertinent detailed info on any of the following will you please share with me ASAP? *1.*ThermoShandon Citadel 2000 Tissue Processor, *2.* Leica TP 1020 Automatic Tissue Processor, and last but not least *3.* VIP 1000 Floor Tissue Processor. Thank you kindly. Atoska ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
