RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail
I always thought you could bill for three due to three distinguishable staining patterns. The two cytokeratins can not be distinguished from each other, therefore three charges instead of four (PIN4). -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Roger Heyna Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:11 PM To: Angela K. Bitting; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Vanessa Perez Subject: RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Our billing manager said the same thing. If the antibodies are being applied separately, you can bill for each one. If antibodies are being mixed and applied at the same time, you can only bill for one. It sounds like the difference between a double-stain (two different chromogens) and a single stain using an antibody cocktail. I still don't think we're doing it correctly, because we're billing for three, but at least it sounds like we can bill for two, which seems logical. Have others heard something different? Roger Heyna Maywood, IL Bitting, Angela K. akbitt...@geisinger.edu 3/18/2013 7:49 AM I was given info from a Dako rep last week that if the primary antibodies are applied separately to the slide as is true with Ventana instruments, you can charge for both. I am skeptical. Has anyone else heard this? -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Vanessa Perez Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:43 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Its actually not allowed already. Any cocktail where all stains are done at one time on one slide can only be charged x1 even if its 2 or more antibodys in the cocktail. One of our reps updated us with our PIN cocktail -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Roger Heyna Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:09 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Our lab currently bills for three, and I know of other labs in our area that also bill for three. I have heard rumors that this may not be allowed in the near future. Roger Heyna Maywood, IL Debbie Granato debgran...@yahoo.com 3/15/2013 11:00 AM We have a billing question for the PIN4 Cocktail that we perform on prostate needle biopsies. We currently use the Biocare CK5+CK14+p63 and then add the Biocare P 504S in the lab. How would you bill for this? Would billing for 1 stain be correct or can you bill for 3 stains? Thank you for your input. Debbie Granato ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by replying to this email. Thank you. Geisinger Health System utilizes an encryption process to safeguard Protected Health Information and other confidential data contained in external e-mail messages. If email is encrypted, the recipient will receive an e-mail instructing them to sign on to the Geisinger Health System Secure E-mail Message Center to retrieve the encrypted e-mail. - This message was secured by ZixCorp(R). ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet The information in this e-mail, and any attachments therein, is confidential and for use by the intended addressee only. If this message is received by you in error please do not disseminate or read further. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete the message. Although Catholic Health Services of Long Island attempts to sweep e-mail and attachments for viruses, it does not guarantee that either are virus-free and accepts no liability for any damage sustained as a result of viruses. Thank you. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http
RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail
Well we use a cocktail, so the antibodies are mixed together and so applied at the same time. All in the same dispenser not two diff one. Vanessa -Original Message- From: Bitting, Angela K. [mailto:akbitt...@geisinger.edu] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:49 AM To: Vanessa Perez; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail I was given info from a Dako rep last week that if the primary antibodies are applied separately to the slide as is true with Ventana instruments, you can charge for both. I am skeptical. Has anyone else heard this? -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Vanessa Perez Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:43 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Its actually not allowed already. Any cocktail where all stains are done at one time on one slide can only be charged x1 even if its 2 or more antibodys in the cocktail. One of our reps updated us with our PIN cocktail -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Roger Heyna Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:09 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Our lab currently bills for three, and I know of other labs in our area that also bill for three. I have heard rumors that this may not be allowed in the near future. Roger Heyna Maywood, IL Debbie Granato debgran...@yahoo.com 3/15/2013 11:00 AM We have a billing question for the PIN4 Cocktail that we perform on prostate needle biopsies. We currently use the Biocare CK5+CK14+p63 and then add the Biocare P 504S in the lab. How would you bill for this? Would billing for 1 stain be correct or can you bill for 3 stains? Thank you for your input. Debbie Granato ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by replying to this email. Thank you. Geisinger Health System utilizes an encryption process to safeguard Protected Health Information and other confidential data contained in external e-mail messages. If email is encrypted, the recipient will receive an e-mail instructing them to sign on to the Geisinger Health System Secure E-mail Message Center to retrieve the encrypted e-mail. - This message was secured by ZixCorp(R). ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail
I was given info from a Dako rep last week that if the primary antibodies are applied separately to the slide as is true with Ventana instruments, you can charge for both. I am skeptical. Has anyone else heard this? -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Vanessa Perez Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:43 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Its actually not allowed already. Any cocktail where all stains are done at one time on one slide can only be charged x1 even if its 2 or more antibodys in the cocktail. One of our reps updated us with our PIN cocktail -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Roger Heyna Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:09 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Our lab currently bills for three, and I know of other labs in our area that also bill for three. I have heard rumors that this may not be allowed in the near future. Roger Heyna Maywood, IL Debbie Granato debgran...@yahoo.com 3/15/2013 11:00 AM We have a billing question for the PIN4 Cocktail that we perform on prostate needle biopsies. We currently use the Biocare CK5+CK14+p63 and then add the Biocare P 504S in the lab. How would you bill for this? Would billing for 1 stain be correct or can you bill for 3 stains? Thank you for your input. Debbie Granato ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by replying to this email. Thank you. Geisinger Health System utilizes an encryption process to safeguard Protected Health Information and other confidential data contained in external e-mail messages. If email is encrypted, the recipient will receive an e-mail instructing them to sign on to the Geisinger Health System Secure E-mail Message Center to retrieve the encrypted e-mail. - This message was secured by ZixCorp(R). ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail
Our billing manager said the same thing. If the antibodies are being applied separately, you can bill for each one. If antibodies are being mixed and applied at the same time, you can only bill for one. It sounds like the difference between a double-stain (two different chromogens) and a single stain using an antibody cocktail. I still don't think we're doing it correctly, because we're billing for three, but at least it sounds like we can bill for two, which seems logical. Have others heard something different? Roger Heyna Maywood, IL Bitting, Angela K. akbitt...@geisinger.edu 3/18/2013 7:49 AM I was given info from a Dako rep last week that if the primary antibodies are applied separately to the slide as is true with Ventana instruments, you can charge for both. I am skeptical. Has anyone else heard this? -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Vanessa Perez Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:43 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Its actually not allowed already. Any cocktail where all stains are done at one time on one slide can only be charged x1 even if its 2 or more antibodys in the cocktail. One of our reps updated us with our PIN cocktail -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Roger Heyna Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:09 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Our lab currently bills for three, and I know of other labs in our area that also bill for three. I have heard rumors that this may not be allowed in the near future. Roger Heyna Maywood, IL Debbie Granato debgran...@yahoo.com 3/15/2013 11:00 AM We have a billing question for the PIN4 Cocktail that we perform on prostate needle biopsies. We currently use the Biocare CK5+CK14+p63 and then add the Biocare P 504S in the lab. How would you bill for this? Would billing for 1 stain be correct or can you bill for 3 stains? Thank you for your input. Debbie Granato ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by replying to this email. Thank you. Geisinger Health System utilizes an encryption process to safeguard Protected Health Information and other confidential data contained in external e-mail messages. If email is encrypted, the recipient will receive an e-mail instructing them to sign on to the Geisinger Health System Secure E-mail Message Center to retrieve the encrypted e-mail. - This message was secured by ZixCorp(R). ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail
Our lab currently bills for three, and I know of other labs in our area that also bill for three. I have heard rumors that this may not be allowed in the near future. Roger Heyna Maywood, IL Debbie Granato debgran...@yahoo.com 3/15/2013 11:00 AM We have a billing question for the PIN4 Cocktail that we perform on prostate needle biopsies. We currently use the Biocare CK5+CK14+p63 and then add the Biocare P 504S in the lab. How would you bill for this? Would billing for 1 stain be correct or can you bill for 3 stains? Thank you for your input. Debbie Granato ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail
Its actually not allowed already. Any cocktail where all stains are done at one time on one slide can only be charged x1 even if its 2 or more antibodys in the cocktail. One of our reps updated us with our PIN cocktail -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Roger Heyna Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:09 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Billing for Pin 4 Cocktail Our lab currently bills for three, and I know of other labs in our area that also bill for three. I have heard rumors that this may not be allowed in the near future. Roger Heyna Maywood, IL Debbie Granato debgran...@yahoo.com 3/15/2013 11:00 AM We have a billing question for the PIN4 Cocktail that we perform on prostate needle biopsies. We currently use the Biocare CK5+CK14+p63 and then add the Biocare P 504S in the lab. How would you bill for this? Would billing for 1 stain be correct or can you bill for 3 stains? Thank you for your input. Debbie Granato ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
