RE: [Histonet] Microwave Tissue Processing

2014-03-17 Thread joelle weaver
Aikhan
I am happy to share my experience, and very inspirational your concern for the 
burden on the patient and their families. Your language is just fine ! Do not 
be concerned. We are on this list to help one another. 
MW processing fairly common here. Some people love it, and some people are not 
fully confident in it yet. My first advice would be that the biggest issue to 
adoption seems to be understanding that it works differently than conventional 
processing, though the end result accomplishes the same purpose. It works very 
well if people take the time to learn to use it correctly. It is based more on 
physics of MW energy and tissue components than just passive reagent diffusion 
like conventional processors. It is wise to take some time to learn about how 
this works before starting, though getting past this barrier should be easier 
for you since you are not accustomed to using a conventional processor.
The vendors that I know are Thermo-Shandon, Sakura, Milestone -at least these 
are the instruments I have personally used ( various models). They all have 
advantages and disadvantages, it just depends on what your needs are. The 
Milestone I would say is particularly adopted to very high volumes. The vendors 
have proprietary technology and some reagents, but most use formalin, but just 
accelerate the fixation rate with MW energy instead of convection heat and 
agitation. The big concern is that you are working with much shorter times and 
so you have to adjust your thinking on this aspect. Also some tissues- liver 
cores, skins and bloody specimens such as endometrial biopsies will get very 
dry if you are not careful with the heat and microwave exposure- my theory is 
that is has to do with the polarity or water content of these tissues. The 
outer surface becomes almost coagulated and tough, must like over-cooked food 
in the microwave. 
 
Important notes are: 
 That generally you cannot REPROCESS microwave processed tissue. So you have to 
take the time to do it correctly from the beginning, and all tissue can be 
sucessfully processed when a suitable program is set up.  As you know, you CAN 
reprocess with conventional, though the results are often not much improved. So 
carefully consider this as you set up your process ( see below my suggestions 
for this). The tissue thickness and overall dimensions are even more important 
with MW than with any type of conventional processing to get uniform and 
optimal results.  
On the positive side, large samples( cut thinly), breast tissue and other fatty 
specimens seem to do exceptionally well, much better than conventional. Graded 
ethanols are typically used for dehydration as in conventional processing. So, 
really most of the reagents are the same in the instruments I have used, with 
the exception that isopropanol is substituted for xylene as a transition and 
clearing reagent. Even though this seems counterintutitive, it actually seems 
to work pretty well. If you are accustomed to processing manually, you will be 
amazed at the tissue quality and speed you can gain by using any type of 
automated processing- you will be leaps and bounds ahead if you are successful 
in adopting microwave assisted processing. 
 
Advantages
signifigantly reduce turn around, faster pateint results- some program are less 
than 1 hour, really speeding up diagnosis. For some patients and samples this 
may outweigh almost any disadvantagesthe vendors typically can assit with the 
intial set up and this takes care of many of the issues I mention under 
disadvantagescleaner, less exposure to hazardous chemicials 
Disadvantages
Takes more time in the inital design of the programs,and validationYou may need 
to customize or adjust programs for particular tissues more so than 
conventional, so a little more technical attention and time is needed, in some 
labs this may be a barrier 
I hope that some of this information can be of help to you. Please let me know 
if I can assist further in any way. 






Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:49:12 +0600
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Microwave Tissue Processing
From: aikhan...@gmail.com
To: joellewea...@hotmail.com

Hi Joelle Weaver,

From your posting I learned that you have experience of using Microwave tissue 
processor for last 8-10 years. I would be grateful if you can help me in light 
of your experience.


We are giving histopathology service in our country, Bangladesh. 
We have a peculiar situation: Many patients are from rural areas, they come to 
the city, have to stay till a diagnosis is made, an expensive matter for them 
bearing all these costs; there's no insurance system here. 

Presently tissue processing is manual in our lab; around 150 paraffin blocks 
daily. Needing to produce rapid result under financial constraint we are 
thinking of microwave processing, but we don't have any experience with these.


We know there are other choices as well: conventional carousel (like Shandon

RE: [Histonet] Microwave Tissue Processing

2014-03-14 Thread joelle weaver
I have used a couple of vendor's MW processing instruments over the past 8-10 
years. So it is used, even if it has not become as commonplace as conventional 
in every setting or market. It seems to be more favored in high volume 
settings, for pretty obvious reasons.  In teaching and instruction * my opinion 
* - you should teach them the theory and fundamentals for practice for ALL the 
possible tissue processing technologies they may encounter, and this is 
consistent with the approach to practice of the topics on the ASCP exam.They 
have to know the fundamental basics and then it is easy to expand to more 
emerging practices and technology. It would be more of a disservice to me if 
you left anything( either conventional technology or MW out), in your treatment 
of that topic. 




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
 From: kgoodkow...@goodwin.edu
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:47:26 +
 Subject: [Histonet] Microwave Tissue Processing
 
 Hello all,
 I had an opportunity to demo a microwave tissue processing unit for my 
 students.  Is anyone using microwave technology for tissue processing and if 
 so, could you please provide me some information on your experience with 
 this?  There are many pros that I can see, including its ease of use and 
 quick processing time which fits well with the student lab schedule.  I am 
 wondering, however, what the likelihood will be that students will use this 
 technology once in the field.  I don't want to do them a disservice by not 
 using conventional tissue processing methods.  The majority of hospitals in 
 the CT/MA area use conventional tissue processors.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 Kelli Goodkowsky 
 Director Clinical Education, Histologic Science
 Goodwin College
 (860) 727-6917
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