RE: [Histonet] Peggy Wenk
Thanks Dave. Yes she was so brave. Also HistoTalk is a great venue for histotechs all over the world to get to hear great educators and histology professional champions interviewed by you. Younger techs will see their names many times but may never be able to relate to or get to know their good examples set for our profession. But thanks to Histotalk they can go back and listen to what these former ones have accomplished and how they did it. Such an inspiration. Shirley -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of David Kemler Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:35 PM To: Histonet Subject: [Histonet] Peggy Wenk Peggy's last interview on HistoTalk www.histotalk.com was taped last year at the NSH. During her interview, I stopped taping several times, because the tears and my choking up were too much for me. Each time I stopped, Peggy smiled at me and said 'It's Ok, Dave, it's OK. It's a shame HistoTalk never got the recognition it truly deserved. Interviews like Peggy's have meaning for everyone in the profession. Over the years, HistoTalk has had a small group of champions - Peggy was one of them! God bless. To Mr. Peggy Wenk, May the Universal Power be within you and your loved ones, now and always. Dave ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Peggy Wenk
Thank you Dave for your selfless contribution of preserving the legends of Histotechnology. The Georgia Society for Histotechnology supports you and we applaud you for this wonderful gift. Thank you for sharing this precious soul~ Heartfelt love and condolences Wanda K Simons GSH President ---Original Message--- From: David Kemler histot...@yahoo.com To: Fellow HistoNetters Histonet@Lists.UTSouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] Peggy Wenk Sent: Jul 29 '14 08:08 Peggy's last interview on HistoTalk www.histotalk.com was taped last year at the NSH. During her interview, I stopped taping several times, because the tears and my choking up were too much for me. Each time I stopped, Peggy smiled at me and said 'It's Ok, Dave, it's OK. It's a shame HistoTalk never got the recognition it truly deserved. Interviews like Peggy's have meaning for everyone in the profession. Over the years, HistoTalk has had a small group of champions - Peggy was one of them! God bless. To Mr. Peggy Wenk, May the Universal Power be within you and your loved ones, now and always. Dave ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Peggy Wenk
This is the announcement on the NSH page: http://nsh.org/content/peggy-wenk-true-mentor She will be missed! Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP) Senior Research Tech Pathology Core Facility ECOGPCO-RL Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center Northwestern University 710 N Fairbanks Court Olson 8-421 Chicago,IL 60611 312-503-3723 b-freder...@northwestern.edu -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of David Kemler Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:08 AM To: Fellow HistoNetters Subject: [Histonet] Peggy Wenk Peggy's last interview on HistoTalk www.histotalk.com was taped last year at the NSH. During her interview, I stopped taping several times, because the tears and my choking up were too much for me. Each time I stopped, Peggy smiled at me and said 'It's Ok, Dave, it's OK. It's a shame HistoTalk never got the recognition it truly deserved. Interviews like Peggy's have meaning for everyone in the profession. Over the years, HistoTalk has had a small group of champions - Peggy was one of them! God bless. To Mr. Peggy Wenk, May the Universal Power be within you and your loved ones, now and always. Dave ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical
I have been required to cut slides at every job interview I have ever been to. I think this is good practice to follow because if you know what you are doing you should be fine and have no worries. If you are a book tech and have no practical experience then you should not be hired over someone who does. I think the practical should come back as part of the exam!! I had to do it...when you cut 900 slides to get 9 that are perfect, you learn a thing or two on how to modify yourself to be better!! Just my two cents =) Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna Therapeutics 2150 Woodward Street Suite 100 Austin, Texas 78744 (512)901-0900 ext. 6912 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of histot...@imagesbyhopper.com Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:48 PM To: joelle weaver Cc: Histonet; mad...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical Interestingly, I have never been required to section tissue in a job interview. I have worked at four hospitals, three private labs and one research facility (hubby moved us around a bit!) I just recently hired two techs, directly out of school with no real world experience. I did ask them to cut some slides for me! ;o) Michelle Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:05 AM, joelle weaver joellewea...@hotmail.com wrote: I was required to know and understand all this as well. I often have had to perform various aspects on an interview, and had no problems with this. Joelle Joelle Weaver MAOM, BA, (HTL) ASCP From: b-freder...@northwestern.edu To: lpw...@sbcglobal.net; mad...@verizon.net; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:35:50 + Subject: RE: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical CC: I remember having to know, regarding Peggy's comment on why a reagent was on a piece of tissue, for my HTL what was going in every step of the retic (oxidation,reduction,toning etc) and believe me it was on the exam. We were taught to know the why from the techs that trained us and had taken the exam. If you chose to ignore what they said, it was on your head. As to the microtomy during an interview, I'm all for it as I have done it in the past (as an interviewer and interviewee) and most recently, as we had a tech come in from Romania and how were we to know what she knew? Their program is a CLS degree and she chose histo from that. Great tech by the way- histo is not much different the world over, from what I can see. Bernice Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP) Senior Research Tech Pathology Core Facility ECOGPCO-RL Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center Northwestern University 710 N Fairbanks Court Olson 8-421 Chicago,IL 60611 312-503-3723 b-freder...@northwestern.edu -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Peggy Wenk Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:41 PM To: mad...@verizon.net; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical Now add in a few other things, that I didn't directly mention in the original 2006 HistoNet reply. How many people are now using: - automated HE stainers - automated special stainers, including IHC stainer - automated coverslippers - automated microtomes - disposable blades Can you see why nearly everyone passed the practical? If they could cut a half-way decent section (with better microtomes and blades, easier to do), just put the slide on a machine and let the machine stain it. To fail, they basically had to NOT follow a LOT of directions, such as submitting colon for small intestine, submitting autolyzed gall bladder, doing the wrong stain (like doing a Prussian blue for iron, instead of the requested colloidal iron), grossing the tissue too small, microtoming too thick, putting the institution's name on the label, etc. Automation makes it easier to produce better sections and better stains, particularly if someone is a mediocre tech to begin with. As to whether the person understands the theory when using automated stainers - well, the fact that many of the people submitting the practical could pass the practical but would fail the written - that has been going on since ancient times, when staining was done by hand. They could follow the directions, but didn't know the reasons. Pour on solution A for 5 minutes, pour it off, pour on solution B for 10 minutes, rinse it off, and it's done. No idea what is in solution A or B, or what chemicals are binding to what components in the tissue, etc. Whether someone is doing the stain by hand or by machine, it's up to the person to have the curiosity to find out what is going on. Some people don't have it, and don't feel the urge to learn. That's one of the reasons I like going to state and national meetings, and reading
RE: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical
I totally agree Sarah :) -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of sdys...@mirnarx.com Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:30 AM To: histot...@imagesbyhopper.com; joellewea...@hotmail.com Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; mad...@verizon.net Subject: RE: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical I have been required to cut slides at every job interview I have ever been to. I think this is good practice to follow because if you know what you are doing you should be fine and have no worries. If you are a book tech and have no practical experience then you should not be hired over someone who does. I think the practical should come back as part of the exam!! I had to do it...when you cut 900 slides to get 9 that are perfect, you learn a thing or two on how to modify yourself to be better!! Just my two cents =) Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna Therapeutics 2150 Woodward Street Suite 100 Austin, Texas 78744 (512)901-0900 ext. 6912 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of histot...@imagesbyhopper.com Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:48 PM To: joelle weaver Cc: Histonet; mad...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical Interestingly, I have never been required to section tissue in a job interview. I have worked at four hospitals, three private labs and one research facility (hubby moved us around a bit!) I just recently hired two techs, directly out of school with no real world experience. I did ask them to cut some slides for me! ;o) Michelle Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:05 AM, joelle weaver joellewea...@hotmail.com wrote: I was required to know and understand all this as well. I often have had to perform various aspects on an interview, and had no problems with this. Joelle Joelle Weaver MAOM, BA, (HTL) ASCP From: b-freder...@northwestern.edu To: lpw...@sbcglobal.net; mad...@verizon.net; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:35:50 + Subject: RE: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical CC: I remember having to know, regarding Peggy's comment on why a reagent was on a piece of tissue, for my HTL what was going in every step of the retic (oxidation,reduction,toning etc) and believe me it was on the exam. We were taught to know the why from the techs that trained us and had taken the exam. If you chose to ignore what they said, it was on your head. As to the microtomy during an interview, I'm all for it as I have done it in the past (as an interviewer and interviewee) and most recently, as we had a tech come in from Romania and how were we to know what she knew? Their program is a CLS degree and she chose histo from that. Great tech by the way- histo is not much different the world over, from what I can see. Bernice Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP) Senior Research Tech Pathology Core Facility ECOGPCO-RL Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center Northwestern University 710 N Fairbanks Court Olson 8-421 Chicago,IL 60611 312-503-3723 b-freder...@northwestern.edu -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Peggy Wenk Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:41 PM To: mad...@verizon.net; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical Now add in a few other things, that I didn't directly mention in the original 2006 HistoNet reply. How many people are now using: - automated HE stainers - automated special stainers, including IHC stainer - automated coverslippers - automated microtomes - disposable blades Can you see why nearly everyone passed the practical? If they could cut a half-way decent section (with better microtomes and blades, easier to do), just put the slide on a machine and let the machine stain it. To fail, they basically had to NOT follow a LOT of directions, such as submitting colon for small intestine, submitting autolyzed gall bladder, doing the wrong stain (like doing a Prussian blue for iron, instead of the requested colloidal iron), grossing the tissue too small, microtoming too thick, putting the institution's name on the label, etc. Automation makes it easier to produce better sections and better stains, particularly if someone is a mediocre tech to begin with. As to whether the person understands the theory when using automated stainers - well, the fact that many of the people submitting the practical could pass the practical but would fail the written - that has been going on since ancient times, when staining was done by hand. They could follow the directions, but didn't know the reasons. Pour on solution A for 5 minutes, pour it off, pour on solution B for 10 minutes, rinse
RE: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical
I was required to know and understand all this as well. I often have had to perform various aspects on an interview, and had no problems with this. Joelle Joelle Weaver MAOM, BA, (HTL) ASCP From: b-freder...@northwestern.edu To: lpw...@sbcglobal.net; mad...@verizon.net; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:35:50 + Subject: RE: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical CC: I remember having to know, regarding Peggy's comment on why a reagent was on a piece of tissue, for my HTL what was going in every step of the retic (oxidation,reduction,toning etc) and believe me it was on the exam. We were taught to know the why from the techs that trained us and had taken the exam. If you chose to ignore what they said, it was on your head. As to the microtomy during an interview, I'm all for it as I have done it in the past (as an interviewer and interviewee) and most recently, as we had a tech come in from Romania and how were we to know what she knew? Their program is a CLS degree and she chose histo from that. Great tech by the way- histo is not much different the world over, from what I can see. Bernice Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP) Senior Research Tech Pathology Core Facility ECOGPCO-RL Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center Northwestern University 710 N Fairbanks Court Olson 8-421 Chicago,IL 60611 312-503-3723 b-freder...@northwestern.edu -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Peggy Wenk Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:41 PM To: mad...@verizon.net; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical Now add in a few other things, that I didn't directly mention in the original 2006 HistoNet reply. How many people are now using: - automated HE stainers - automated special stainers, including IHC stainer - automated coverslippers - automated microtomes - disposable blades Can you see why nearly everyone passed the practical? If they could cut a half-way decent section (with better microtomes and blades, easier to do), just put the slide on a machine and let the machine stain it. To fail, they basically had to NOT follow a LOT of directions, such as submitting colon for small intestine, submitting autolyzed gall bladder, doing the wrong stain (like doing a Prussian blue for iron, instead of the requested colloidal iron), grossing the tissue too small, microtoming too thick, putting the institution's name on the label, etc. Automation makes it easier to produce better sections and better stains, particularly if someone is a mediocre tech to begin with. As to whether the person understands the theory when using automated stainers - well, the fact that many of the people submitting the practical could pass the practical but would fail the written - that has been going on since ancient times, when staining was done by hand. They could follow the directions, but didn't know the reasons. Pour on solution A for 5 minutes, pour it off, pour on solution B for 10 minutes, rinse it off, and it's done. No idea what is in solution A or B, or what chemicals are binding to what components in the tissue, etc. Whether someone is doing the stain by hand or by machine, it's up to the person to have the curiosity to find out what is going on. Some people don't have it, and don't feel the urge to learn. That's one of the reasons I like going to state and national meetings, and reading HistoNet. These people WANT to learn! Hurrah for them! And there are a lot of people in the histology community willing to help people who WANT to learn - answering HistoNet, giving talks at state and national meetings, being a mentor, etc. Hurrah for them too! Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS Beaumont Health Systems Royal Oak, MI 48073 The above are my opinions and not those of my institution. -Original Message- From: mad...@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:23 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical The dropping of the practical was explained so well by Peggy Wenk. I never got into the debate(glad I did not after reading Peggys comments), I would have argued to keep it. That said, indeed it is outdated. The fact that we were the last to do it I guess speaks volumes. I did struggle getting tissues for it for sure. Modern day, modern thinking. Thanks for the information Peggy and of course all you do fo this field. Nick(Rocky) Madary, HT/HTL(ASCP)QIHC ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical
Interestingly, I have never been required to section tissue in a job interview. I have worked at four hospitals, three private labs and one research facility (hubby moved us around a bit!) I just recently hired two techs, directly out of school with no real world experience. I did ask them to cut some slides for me! ;o) Michelle Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:05 AM, joelle weaver joellewea...@hotmail.com wrote: I was required to know and understand all this as well. I often have had to perform various aspects on an interview, and had no problems with this. Joelle Joelle Weaver MAOM, BA, (HTL) ASCP From: b-freder...@northwestern.edu To: lpw...@sbcglobal.net; mad...@verizon.net; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:35:50 + Subject: RE: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical CC: I remember having to know, regarding Peggy's comment on why a reagent was on a piece of tissue, for my HTL what was going in every step of the retic (oxidation,reduction,toning etc) and believe me it was on the exam. We were taught to know the why from the techs that trained us and had taken the exam. If you chose to ignore what they said, it was on your head. As to the microtomy during an interview, I'm all for it as I have done it in the past (as an interviewer and interviewee) and most recently, as we had a tech come in from Romania and how were we to know what she knew? Their program is a CLS degree and she chose histo from that. Great tech by the way- histo is not much different the world over, from what I can see. Bernice Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP) Senior Research Tech Pathology Core Facility ECOGPCO-RL Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center Northwestern University 710 N Fairbanks Court Olson 8-421 Chicago,IL 60611 312-503-3723 b-freder...@northwestern.edu -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Peggy Wenk Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:41 PM To: mad...@verizon.net; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical Now add in a few other things, that I didn't directly mention in the original 2006 HistoNet reply. How many people are now using: - automated HE stainers - automated special stainers, including IHC stainer - automated coverslippers - automated microtomes - disposable blades Can you see why nearly everyone passed the practical? If they could cut a half-way decent section (with better microtomes and blades, easier to do), just put the slide on a machine and let the machine stain it. To fail, they basically had to NOT follow a LOT of directions, such as submitting colon for small intestine, submitting autolyzed gall bladder, doing the wrong stain (like doing a Prussian blue for iron, instead of the requested colloidal iron), grossing the tissue too small, microtoming too thick, putting the institution's name on the label, etc. Automation makes it easier to produce better sections and better stains, particularly if someone is a mediocre tech to begin with. As to whether the person understands the theory when using automated stainers - well, the fact that many of the people submitting the practical could pass the practical but would fail the written - that has been going on since ancient times, when staining was done by hand. They could follow the directions, but didn't know the reasons. Pour on solution A for 5 minutes, pour it off, pour on solution B for 10 minutes, rinse it off, and it's done. No idea what is in solution A or B, or what chemicals are binding to what components in the tissue, etc. Whether someone is doing the stain by hand or by machine, it's up to the person to have the curiosity to find out what is going on. Some people don't have it, and don't feel the urge to learn. That's one of the reasons I like going to state and national meetings, and reading HistoNet. These people WANT to learn! Hurrah for them! And there are a lot of people in the histology community willing to help people who WANT to learn - answering HistoNet, giving talks at state and national meetings, being a mentor, etc. Hurrah for them too! Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS Beaumont Health Systems Royal Oak, MI 48073 The above are my opinions and not those of my institution. -Original Message- From: mad...@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:23 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical The dropping of the practical was explained so well by Peggy Wenk. I never got into the debate(glad I did not after reading Peggys comments), I would have argued to keep it. That said, indeed it is outdated. The fact that we were the last to do it I guess speaks volumes. I did struggle getting
Re: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical
Now add in a few other things, that I didn't directly mention in the original 2006 HistoNet reply. How many people are now using: - automated HE stainers - automated special stainers, including IHC stainer - automated coverslippers - automated microtomes - disposable blades Can you see why nearly everyone passed the practical? If they could cut a half-way decent section (with better microtomes and blades, easier to do), just put the slide on a machine and let the machine stain it. To fail, they basically had to NOT follow a LOT of directions, such as submitting colon for small intestine, submitting autolyzed gall bladder, doing the wrong stain (like doing a Prussian blue for iron, instead of the requested colloidal iron), grossing the tissue too small, microtoming too thick, putting the institution's name on the label, etc. Automation makes it easier to produce better sections and better stains, particularly if someone is a mediocre tech to begin with. As to whether the person understands the theory when using automated stainers - well, the fact that many of the people submitting the practical could pass the practical but would fail the written - that has been going on since ancient times, when staining was done by hand. They could follow the directions, but didn't know the reasons. Pour on solution A for 5 minutes, pour it off, pour on solution B for 10 minutes, rinse it off, and it's done. No idea what is in solution A or B, or what chemicals are binding to what components in the tissue, etc. Whether someone is doing the stain by hand or by machine, it's up to the person to have the curiosity to find out what is going on. Some people don't have it, and don't feel the urge to learn. That's one of the reasons I like going to state and national meetings, and reading HistoNet. These people WANT to learn! Hurrah for them! And there are a lot of people in the histology community willing to help people who WANT to learn - answering HistoNet, giving talks at state and national meetings, being a mentor, etc. Hurrah for them too! Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS Beaumont Health Systems Royal Oak, MI 48073 The above are my opinions and not those of my institution. -Original Message- From: mad...@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:23 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] peggy wenk comments on HT/HTL practical The dropping of the practical was explained so well by Peggy Wenk. I never got into the debate(glad I did not after reading Peggys comments), I would have argued to keep it. That said, indeed it is outdated. The fact that we were the last to do it I guess speaks volumes. I did struggle getting tissues for it for sure. Modern day, modern thinking. Thanks for the information Peggy and of course all you do fo this field. Nick(Rocky) Madary, HT/HTL(ASCP)QIHC ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
