RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-26 Thread Marcum, Pamela A
If you have pharmaceutical, some veterinary and research areas in universities 
or even some private labs are not as strict.  In the future we may all face the 
challenge of having a certification as a requirement and we should be ready it. 
 We have seen the field change and my only issue is getting ASCP, CLIA and NSH 
to assist us in getting recognition for what we do and schools to educate the 
next generations.

Pam Marcum
UAMS

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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

I would look to the pharmaceutical industry, or industry in general, if they 
are hiring.  I believe they are more willing to hire without certification than 
a hospital.


Philip Manfre, B.A., HT (ASCP)
Associate Principal Scientist
Merck Research Laboratories
WP45-251
PO Box 4
West Point, PA 19486



 

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Subject: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I have a 
friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they have been 
looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad interviewing or a 
lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has happened to other people. 
They have applied at hospitals and bigger labs such as Caris. Im not asking for 
a job lead for them I'm just more curious if certification has become a 
prerequisite now.
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RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-26 Thread Manfre, Philip
I would look to the pharmaceutical industry, or industry in general, if they 
are hiring.  I believe they are more willing to hire without certification than 
a hospital.


Philip Manfre, B.A., HT (ASCP)
Associate Principal Scientist
Merck Research Laboratories
WP45-251
PO Box 4
West Point, PA 19486



 

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Subject: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I have a 
friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they have been 
looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad interviewing or a 
lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has happened to other people. 
They have applied at hospitals and bigger labs such as Caris. Im not asking for 
a job lead for them I'm just more curious if certification has become a 
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RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-23 Thread Morken, Timothy
" Once I applied for jobs I got hired relatively quick and I could barely make 
a decent slide."

Don't feel bad about that. That is what entry level is all about. It reminds me 
of my first week as an electron microscopy technologist (which is what I did 
before learning histotechnology). I went to school for EM (Delta College, 
Stockton, CA) and there I did maybe 5 specimens total for biological TEM. I got 
hired as an EM tech at a hospital and in the first week did 12 cases. It did 
not take long at all to become expert at cutting. That was the easy part. The 
harder part was learning the pathology so I could independently review cases 
and take meaningful photos. With my degree in cell biology I at least knew what 
normal cells looked like! Then it was just learning what the abnormal ones 
looked like. The school taught me the theoretical aspects of EM and biology. 
The skill was acquired on the job. That is pretty much how it has to happen. 
You simply can't do enough hands-on work in school to become truly skillful at 
manual work. But once you acquire the skill, what will carry you forward is 
your theoretical background and ability to do work beyond the routine. 


Tim Morken
Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies
Department of Pathology
UC San Francisco Medical Center


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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

Thank you everyone for your interest in this subject. I get an overwhelming 
feeling that being certified is practically necessary to apply for histotech 
jobs. It seems like if you lack certification then you will be lucky to find a 
place interested in you. Even if you have all the experience. It's too bad 
because I recently went through school for histology and got my HT 
certification. Once I applied for jobs I got hired relatively quick and I could 
barely make a decent slide. My friend who is uncertified with all the 
experience just can't seem to find. I guess certification is everything now. It 
doesn't make much sense but that's just the way it is.
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RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-23 Thread Morken, Timothy
At UC San Francisco we don't require a HT or HTL certification except for the 
Lead and Supervisor level (that leaves histotech 1, 2, 3 levels), though an HT 
or HTL is certainly favored. In the past we have always had a mix of certified 
and non-certified. However, for many years now we have required a 4-year 
degree, along with at least one year of histology lab experience, to qualify 
for an entry level job. Currently all but one of our 12 techs are certified. 
And several have received their HTL in just the last 4 years. 

In our area is it very difficult to find certified techs because they are 
grabbed up by the huge biotech industry and the local service labs. 
Additionally, people from out of the area may apply, but once they see the cost 
of living, and the commute times from the more reasonably-priced areas, they 
usually drop out. So we are left to find the best degree-ed people we can and 
train them . For example we had a local woman who just graduated from college 
with a degree in biology come to our lab as a summer intern to do clerical 
work. She ended up working in the lab doing odd jobs and was so interested, and 
impressed us so much, that we gave her a full time lab assistant job. Now she 
is learning histotechnology and studying for her HTL exam. She is an excellent 
tech and I'm sure will do well. 

There are many small private labs that hire non-certified techs, but some of 
them are questionable to work for - not much support for personal advancement. 

As others have  noted, having a certification has not guaranteed any certainty 
of skill. Most of our very best techs, whether you measure by skill, speed or 
knowledge, came to us from the UCSF research labs where they picked up enough 
histology skills to qualify for an entry level medical lab position, but also 
learned very valuable skills in how to approach lab work. All these youngsters 
have been promoted to senior and even Lead positions over long-time histotechs 
who, while certificated,  just did the job and did not bother to learn how to 
do anything else...or even show any interest in such things. So now we have 
20-year histotechs being supervised by 5-year histotechs. 

There may be some locals that restrict jobs to certified techs, but I don't 
think that is the case in most of the country. 

Tim Morken
UCSF Pathology

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Subject: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I have a 
friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they have been 
looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad interviewing or a 
lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has happened to other people. 
They have applied at hospitals and bigger labs such as Caris. Im not asking for 
a job lead for them I'm just more curious if certification has become a 
prerequisite now.
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RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-23 Thread Jon Hannasch
Thank you everyone for your interest in this subject. I get an overwhelming 
feeling that being certified is practically necessary to apply for histotech 
jobs. It seems like if you lack certification then you will be lucky to find a 
place interested in you. Even if you have all the experience. It's too bad 
because I recently went through school for histology and got my HT 
certification. Once I applied for jobs I got hired relatively quick and I could 
barely make a decent slide. My friend who is uncertified with all the 
experience just can't seem to find. I guess certification is everything now. It 
doesn't make much sense but that's just the way it is.
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Re: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-23 Thread Beth Brinegar
Well, my opinion is based on my own experience.  I was hired as a histotech
with no prior "histology" experience besides what I completed in the
laboratory in college (This was only four years ago in Columbia, MO).  I
trained on the job, then moved to be a histotech in Cedar Rapids Iowa.  I
then decided that this was what I wanted to do.  So, I bought the
textbooks, read them, and sat for my HTL exam (the "route 2" method).  I
graduated top of my class with a triple major in biology, life science and
chemistry.  Once I became an HTL, I decided to move along my career.  Age
27, only in histology for three years, I am the anatomic pathology
supervisor.  I really think it varies on facility hiring.  Some places you
must have the certification.  By doing the self study and learning on the
job, I learned great skills from a handful of senior techs and I passed my
exam on the first try.  I have two friends that went through histo school
and have each failed the test twice.  My point?  I feel it depends on the
individual and where you are.

Beth Brinegar HTL(ASCP)
Anatomic Pathology Supervisor
Mercy Medical Center
Cedar Rapids, IA 52403


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:17 AM, joelle weaver wrote:

> I also test any bench HT's practical ability whether they appear with
> credentials of certification, degrees or otherwise.  They MUST have the
> practical & technical abilities to do well on the bench, enough said.
>
> In an interview situation, what you have are some tools and bits of
> information in a very contrived situation to give you some insight into how
> the person will act and perform as an actual employee.
>
> If your market or your organization,  allows you the freedom to make your
> own hiring criteria, then good for you. But if there are legislative or
> organizational policies where you live or work that create stipulations,
> then that is how it goes. This discussion has rarely gone anywhere in the
> posts before, and seems to make more people upset than anything else.  I
> guess no one appreciates being placed into some category.  Hey, if you want
> to become certified, go for it, if you don't that is fine too.
>
> The question was about whether this affecting hiring-  and I do think it
> does, in some places very much, in others maybe less? There are always a
> multitude of factors.
>
>
>
>
> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
>
> > From: bsulli...@virtua.org
> > To: joellewea...@hotmail.com; jon2038...@maricopa.edu;
> histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs
> > Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:29:20 +
> >
> > While I understand the need for certification and continuing education,
> because of regulations it is very hard to even have your OJT's sit for
> their certification. Recently I interviewed candidates for an open position
> at my facility. One candidate in particular looked very good on paper. I
> brought this person in for an interview. Candidate was certified by CAP as
> a Histo- Technician. I always test their microtomy skills. Imagine my
> dismay when after more than I hour this person had not produced one decent
> slide. Needless to say the interview was pretty much over. Lesson here is
> that letters after one's  name does not make a good Histo-Tech.
> >
> > Beatrice Sullivan HT(ASCP)HTL  CLSP(NCA)
> > Corporate Histology Supervisor
> > Virtua,Voorhees
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:
> histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of joelle weaver
> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:00 AM
> > To: Jon Hannasch; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > Subject: RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs
> >
> > It still seems to vary by market ( many factors including licensure in
> some states), and by organization based on my observations. But I believe
> that there is certainly a trend toward certification. At my organization
> they require certification for any consideration, and also education to
> meet CLIA.   But you are likely to get many different opinions on your
> question.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
> >
> > > From: jon2038...@maricopa.edu
> > > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:43:10 -0700
> > > To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > > Subject: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs
> > >
> > > Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I
> have a friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they
> have been looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad
> interviewing or a lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has
&g

RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-23 Thread joelle weaver
I also test any bench HT's practical ability whether they appear with 
credentials of certification, degrees or otherwise.  They MUST have the 
practical & technical abilities to do well on the bench, enough said.
 
In an interview situation, what you have are some tools and bits of information 
in a very contrived situation to give you some insight into how the person will 
act and perform as an actual employee. 
 
If your market or your organization,  allows you the freedom to make your own 
hiring criteria, then good for you. But if there are legislative or 
organizational policies where you live or work that create stipulations, then 
that is how it goes. This discussion has rarely gone anywhere in the posts 
before, and seems to make more people upset than anything else.  I guess no one 
appreciates being placed into some category.  Hey, if you want to become 
certified, go for it, if you don't that is fine too. 
 
The question was about whether this affecting hiring-  and I do think it does, 
in some places very much, in others maybe less? There are always a multitude of 
factors. 




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
> From: bsulli...@virtua.org
> To: joellewea...@hotmail.com; jon2038...@maricopa.edu; 
> histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs
> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:29:20 +
> 
> While I understand the need for certification and continuing education, 
> because of regulations it is very hard to even have your OJT's sit for their 
> certification. Recently I interviewed candidates for an open position at my 
> facility. One candidate in particular looked very good on paper. I brought 
> this person in for an interview. Candidate was certified by CAP as a Histo- 
> Technician. I always test their microtomy skills. Imagine my dismay when 
> after more than I hour this person had not produced one decent slide. 
> Needless to say the interview was pretty much over. Lesson here is that 
> letters after one's  name does not make a good Histo-Tech.
> 
> Beatrice Sullivan HT(ASCP)HTL  CLSP(NCA)
> Corporate Histology Supervisor
> Virtua,Voorhees
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
> [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of joelle weaver
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:00 AM
> To: Jon Hannasch; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs
> 
> It still seems to vary by market ( many factors including licensure in some 
> states), and by organization based on my observations. But I believe that 
> there is certainly a trend toward certification. At my organization they 
> require certification for any consideration, and also education to meet CLIA. 
>   But you are likely to get many different opinions on your question.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
>  
> > From: jon2038...@maricopa.edu
> > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:43:10 -0700
> > To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> > Subject: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs
> > 
> > Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I have a 
> > friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they have 
> > been looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad 
> > interviewing or a lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has 
> > happened to other people. They have applied at hospitals and bigger labs 
> > such as Caris. Im not asking for a job lead for them I'm just more curious 
> > if certification has become a prerequisite now.
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Re: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-23 Thread Emily Sours
I've noticed that a few jobs at UPMC for histotechs require experience, but
not certification.  You do have to be certified within a year of employment
though.  I'm thinking this is due to the lack of research jobs, so people
like me (lab techs from research) are moving into hospital labs with enough
skill, but not certification.
This is something I'm looking into doing, as I can section like a pro, but
I don't have the time or money to take classes right now.
Beatrice, that one thing I'm worried about--I'm terrible at sectioning
under pressure! Though an hour is a long time to not have one good slide...

Emily

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their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new
story for their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Jon Hannasch wrote:

> Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I have a
> friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they have
> been looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad
> interviewing or a lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has
> happened to other people. They have applied at hospitals and bigger labs
> such as Caris. Im not asking for a job lead for them I'm just more curious
> if certification has become a prerequisite now.
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RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-23 Thread Marcum, Pamela A
This will be difficult discussion for many of us who were OJT in the 60s to 
even into the 90s however; ASCP and states have now developed licensing 
regulations that require through CLIA  that almost prohibit the this track for 
registration.  The problem here is we have too few schools and hospitals 
willing to go that route.  We are now training people only on automated 
equipment at many sites and the fact they pass a test does not mean they 
troubleshoot problems from processing, embedding, sectioning and staining.  

We are only looking at people who have an HT or HTL at this point and it can be 
very difficult.  It is a decision based on the University and CLIA.

Pam


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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sullivan, 
Beatrice
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:29 AM
To: joelle weaver; Jon Hannasch; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

While I understand the need for certification and continuing education, because 
of regulations it is very hard to even have your OJT's sit for their 
certification. Recently I interviewed candidates for an open position at my 
facility. One candidate in particular looked very good on paper. I brought this 
person in for an interview. Candidate was certified by CAP as a Histo- 
Technician. I always test their microtomy skills. Imagine my dismay when after 
more than I hour this person had not produced one decent slide. Needless to say 
the interview was pretty much over. Lesson here is that letters after one's  
name does not make a good Histo-Tech.

Beatrice Sullivan HT(ASCP)HTL  CLSP(NCA) Corporate Histology Supervisor 
Virtua,Voorhees

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of joelle weaver
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:00 AM
To: Jon Hannasch; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

It still seems to vary by market ( many factors including licensure in some 
states), and by organization based on my observations. But I believe that there 
is certainly a trend toward certification. At my organization they require 
certification for any consideration, and also education to meet CLIA.   But you 
are likely to get many different opinions on your question.




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
> From: jon2038...@maricopa.edu
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:43:10 -0700
> To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs
> 
> Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I have a 
> friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they have 
> been looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad interviewing 
> or a lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has happened to other 
> people. They have applied at hospitals and bigger labs such as Caris. Im not 
> asking for a job lead for them I'm just more curious if certification has 
> become a prerequisite now.
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RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-23 Thread Sullivan, Beatrice
While I understand the need for certification and continuing education, because 
of regulations it is very hard to even have your OJT's sit for their 
certification. Recently I interviewed candidates for an open position at my 
facility. One candidate in particular looked very good on paper. I brought this 
person in for an interview. Candidate was certified by CAP as a Histo- 
Technician. I always test their microtomy skills. Imagine my dismay when after 
more than I hour this person had not produced one decent slide. Needless to say 
the interview was pretty much over. Lesson here is that letters after one's  
name does not make a good Histo-Tech.

Beatrice Sullivan HT(ASCP)HTL  CLSP(NCA)
Corporate Histology Supervisor
Virtua,Voorhees

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of joelle weaver
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:00 AM
To: Jon Hannasch; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

It still seems to vary by market ( many factors including licensure in some 
states), and by organization based on my observations. But I believe that there 
is certainly a trend toward certification. At my organization they require 
certification for any consideration, and also education to meet CLIA.   But you 
are likely to get many different opinions on your question.




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
> From: jon2038...@maricopa.edu
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:43:10 -0700
> To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs
> 
> Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I have a 
> friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they have 
> been looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad interviewing 
> or a lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has happened to other 
> people. They have applied at hospitals and bigger labs such as Caris. Im not 
> asking for a job lead for them I'm just more curious if certification has 
> become a prerequisite now.
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RE: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs

2013-08-23 Thread joelle weaver
It still seems to vary by market ( many factors including licensure in some 
states), and by organization based on my observations. But I believe that there 
is certainly a trend toward certification. At my organization they require 
certification for any consideration, and also education to meet CLIA.   But you 
are likely to get many different opinions on your question.




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
> From: jon2038...@maricopa.edu
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:43:10 -0700
> To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: [Histonet] Uncertified Histotechs
> 
> Is getting a job as an uncertified histotech a thing of the past? I have a 
> friend who has been a very skilled histotech for many years and they have 
> been looking for a job for about a year now. Is this due to bad interviewing 
> or a lack of certification? I'm curious to see if this has happened to other 
> people. They have applied at hospitals and bigger labs such as Caris. Im not 
> asking for a job lead for them I'm just more curious if certification has 
> become a prerequisite now.
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