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Sebenarnya saya ni baru saja terbuka Amno punya homepage. Sepanjang me round
sana sini dalam web tu, rasanya tak menarik langsung.. malah membosankan
yang teramat sangat. Bercelaru susunan websitenya..
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JeFirefakta fakta yg ada kat dalam url tu are interesting. Walaupun,
it's not the first time i've read or heard such a thing. Bukan nak cakap
that those fakta are betul, neither am i saying it's wrong. The point of the
matter is, we will never know. And what makes you all so sure that it's a
fitnah? Is it not true that Anwar has special relationship with Michael
Cohen and the likes? You all sure sangat ke that all those fakta are wrong?
We will never know. The only person who knows for sure would be Anwar
himself & Mahathir. Mahathir definitely did not do all this without a good
reason. And that reason is not for him to continue on staying. Put yourself
in Mahathir's shoes...(which i think not even half of us can)...he is OLD.
Obviously he wants to retire. He worked hard day & night for the past 18
years for our nation. i could never think a person his age, especially a
malaysian..what more a malay would still work his ass off until now.
Mahathir is forever thinking, forever writing notes. Always thinking for the
benefit of our country. Memang he has made mistakesgrieve mistakes. And
that is also for reasons we would never know. He is human after all.
Most of you would put Mahathir down. I take it as one peribahasa, where it
says, "satu titik nila, rosak susu sebelanga". After that one drop of
nila..most of you refuse to accept him. It is understandable. However, i
shudder to think of anyone taking over his position at the moment. Anwar is
out. Whatever anyone says about mahathir...who else in his 70 plus years of
age would still perah his otak to make sure his dreams & ambitions for
Malaysia succeed. Look at your fathers, at your grandfathers and moreover
look at yourselfwould you sanggup do this in your old dying age for the
sake of responsibility and for the love of your country?
In conclusion, my point is, we will never know the truth. Whatever story u
hear ..be it from anwar's side or mahathir's side, there's bound to be some
cover ups. ANwar & mahathir's ego now are so huge that they will never admit
their wrong doings.
*Gina*
>From: "Je Fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Tapi yang paling menarik untuk saya berkongsi bersama dengan kawan-kawan
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>diorang yang mencipta fakta ni... kalau ada penceramah amno yang yang bebal
>ikut... masya Allah
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"Gina S. D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/02/2000 01:08:03
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JeFirefakta fakta yg ada kat dalam url tu are interesting. Walaupun,
it's not the first time i've read or heard such a thing. Bukan nak cakap
that those fakta are betul, neither am i saying it's wrong. The point of
the
matter is, we will never know. And what makes you all so sure that it's a
fitnah? Is it not true that Anwar has special relationship with Michael
Cohen and the likes? You all sure sangat ke that all those fakta are wrong?
We will never know. The only person who knows for sure would be Anwar
himself & Mahathir.
My comments:
& Allah S.W.T. This what happens if we do not follow the true teaching of
Islam - we
will never know the 'truth'. Kerana kebenaran adalah hak mutlak Allah dan
seandainya
kita membelakangiNya, maka inilah yang terjadi.
Mahathir definitely did not do all this without a good
reason.
My comments:
and how are you so sure that he did not.
And that reason is not for him to continue on staying.
My comments:
You can say that again...
Put yourself in Mahathir's shoes...(which i think not even half of us
can)...he is OLD.
Obviously he wants to retire.
My comments:
At the rate he is going, I think he wants to cling on to the position for
the rest
of his life.
He worked hard day & night for the past 18
years for our nation.
My comments:
and for himself...don't forget that!
i could never think a person his age, especially a
malaysian..what more a malay would still work his ass off until now.
Mahathir is forever thinking, forever writing notes. Always thinking for
the
benefit of our country. Memang he has made mistakesgrieve mistakes. And
that is also for reasons we would never know. He is human after all.
My comments:
Now you are admitting it. That is exactly why he must step down. Because
the mistakes
he had committed is just too big to be forgiven just like that.
Most of you would put Mahathir down. I take it as one peribahasa, where it
says, "satu titik nila, rosak susu sebelanga". After that one drop of
nila..most of you refuse to accept him. It is understandable. However, i
shudder to think of anyone taking over his position at the moment.
My comments:
and who are you to say that...how do you know that he is the only one
capable to
rule this country? Because that he has created mega projects all over the
places and that
nobody else before him has?
Anwar is out. Whatever anyone says about mahathir...who else in his 70 plus
years of
age would still perah his otak to make sure his dreams & ambitions for
Malaysia succeed. Look at your fathers, at your grandfathers and moreover
look at yourselfwould you sanggup do this in your old dying age for the
sake of responsibility and for the love of your country?
In conclusion, my point is, we will never know the truth. Whatever story u
hear ..be it from anwar's side or mahathir's side, there's bound to be some
cover ups. ANwar & mahathir's ego now are so huge that they will never
admit
their wrong doings.
My comments:
So, let us all go back to the true teaching of Islam. This is the only
place where
we can find the 'truth' that we are longing for.
*Gina*
>From: "Je Fire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>diorang yang mencipta fakta ni... kalau ada penceramah amno yang yang
bebal
>ikut... masya Allah
>
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razman, don't easily judge me as not following the true teachings of islam
merely because i didn't add in Allah swt. I was saying in terms of 'people'
who know the truth. People as in humans. I do not refer Allah as one of the
people. I'm fully aware that Allah is the All Knower in everything in the
heavens & the earth.
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>My comments:
>& Allah S.W.T. This what happens if we do not follow the true teaching of
>Islam - we
>will never know the 'truth'. Kerana kebenaran adalah hak mutlak Allah dan
>seandainya
>kita membelakangiNya, maka inilah yang terjadi.
>
>
>Mahathir definitely did not do all this without a good
>reason.
>
>My comments:
>and how are you so sure that he did not.
i didn't say he did not and fullstop. Let me stress again...mahathir didn't
do all this WITHOUT a good reason. Therefore i am saying that he did all
these things WITH good reasons. Not just sesuka hati. But then i'm sure most
of you would think that way. That's why i say, we will never know the truth,
simply because we chose not to believe what anwar or mahathir says.
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Kenapa bangsa Melayu (termasuk sekali suku sakatnya)
yang mempunyai kuasa samada kuasa politik,
pentadbiran, keselamatan, kekeluargaan dll serta
mengaku beragama Islam tergamak melakukan kezaliman,
penganayiaan, penderaan, penindasan dll terhadap
sesama bangsa Melayu (Islam), walhal dalam Islam ada
mengatakan semua orang Islam adalah bersaudara.
Tak mungkin kalau seseorang itu mengaku Islam sanggup
melakukan perkara-perkara keji tersebut terhadap
sesama Islam.
Perlu ingat bahawa kuasa yang ada pada kita hanyalah
sementara.
Islam adalah yang sebaiknya.
adi
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> "Gina S. D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/02/2000
> 01:08:03
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> cc:(bcc: razman/westport)
>
> Subject: Re: H-Net* Fakta atau Fitnah? Jawab!!!
>
>
> JeFirefakta fakta yg ada kat dalam url tu are
> interesting. Walaupun,
> it's not the first time i've read or heard such a
> thing. Bukan nak cakap
> that those fakta are betul, neither am i saying it's
> wrong. The point of
> the
> matter is, we will never know. And what makes you
> all so sure that it's a
> fitnah? Is it not true that Anwar has special
> relationship with Michael
> Cohen and the likes? You all sure sangat ke that all
> those fakta are wrong?
> We will never know. The only person who knows for
> sure would be Anwar
> himself & Mahathir.
>
> My comments:
> & Allah S.W.T. This what happens if we do not
> follow the true teaching of
> Islam - we
> will never know the 'truth'. Kerana kebenaran
> adalah hak mutlak Allah dan
> seandainya
> kita membelakangiNya, maka inilah yang terjadi.
>
>
> Mahathir definitely did not do all this without a
> good
> reason.
>
> My comments:
> and how are you so sure that he did not.
>
> And that reason is not for him to continue on
> staying.
>
> My comments:
> You can say that again...
>
> Put yourself in Mahathir's shoes...(which i think
> not even half of us
> can)...he is OLD.
> Obviously he wants to retire.
>
> My comments:
> At the rate he is going, I think he wants to cling
> on to the position for
> the rest
> of his life.
>
> He worked hard day & night for the past 18
> years for our nation.
>
> My comments:
> and for himself...don't forget that!
>
> i could never think a person his age, especially a
> malaysian..what more a malay would still work his
> ass off until now.
> Mahathir is forever thinking, forever writing notes.
> Always thinking for
> the
> benefit of our country. Memang he has made
> mistakesgrieve mistakes. And
> that is also for reasons we would never know. He is
> human after all.
>
> My comments:
> Now you are admitting it. That is exactly why he
> must step down. Because
> the mistakes
> he had committed is just too big to be forgiven just
> like that.
>
>
> Most of you would put Mahathir down. I take it as
> one peribahasa, where it
> says, "satu titik nila, rosak susu sebelanga". After
> that one drop of
> nila..most of you refuse to accept him. It is
> understandable. However, i
> shudder to think of anyone taking over his position
> at the moment.
>
> My comments:
> and who are you to say that...how do you know that
> he is the only one
> capable to
> rule this country? Because that he has created mega
> projects all over the
> places and that
> nobody else before him has?
>
> Anwar is out. Whatever anyone says about
> mahathir...who else in his 70 plus
> years of
> age would still perah his otak to make sure his
> dreams & ambitions for
> Malaysia succeed. Look at your fathers, at your
> grandfathers and moreover
> look at yourselfwould you sanggup do this in
> your old dying age for the
> sake of responsibility and for the love of your
> country?
>
> In conclusion, my point is, we will never know the
> truth. Whatever story u
> hear ..be it from anwar's side or mahathir's side,
> there's bound to be some
> cover ups. ANwar & mahathir's ego now are so huge
> that they will never
> admit
> their wrong doings.
>
> My comments:
> So, let us all go back to the true teaching of
> Islam. This is the only
> place wh
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razman, don't easily judge me as not following the true teachings of islam
merely because i didn't add in Allah swt. I was saying in terms of 'people'
who know the truth. People as in humans. I do not refer Allah as one of the
people. I'm fully aware that Allah is the All Knower in everything in the
heavens & the earth.
Excellent...now you are really making some senses. And don't get
intimidated by my comments
when I mentioned the true teaching of Islam. By no means at all I am
judging you...I only said
had Mahathir followed the true teaching of Islam, the hatred against him
would never had happened.
I don't wish to deliberate on all the things he has done to Anwar and all
the things he had said about the ulamak, Rasulullah, hudud, etc. I believe
everybody knows all that by now. Since that you mentioned that you are
"fully aware that Allah is the All Knower in everything in the heavens &
the earth", I will just leave it to you to think whether Mahathir was right
or otherwise.
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>My comments:
>& Allah S.W.T. This what happens if we do not follow the true teaching of
>Islam - we
>will never know the 'truth'. Kerana kebenaran adalah hak mutlak Allah dan
>seandainya
>kita membelakangiNya, maka inilah yang terjadi.
>
>
>Mahathir definitely did not do all this without a good
>reason.
>
>My comments:
>and how are you so sure that he did not.
i didn't say he did not and fullstop. Let me stress again...mahathir didn't
do all this WITHOUT a good reason. Therefore i am saying that he did all
these things WITH good reasons. Not just sesuka hati. But then i'm sure
most
of you would think that way. That's why i say, we will never know the
truth,
simply because we chose not to believe what anwar or mahathir says.
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razman wrote:
>I only said
>had Mahathir followed the true teaching of Islam, the hatred against him
>would never had happened.
Yes, i agree with you razman. Apologies for thinking you were referring it
to me.
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Gina S. D wrote:
> . Let me stress again...mahathir didn't
> do all this WITHOUT a good reason.
ONE:
Some "good" and "bad" is subjective. "Good" for one doesn't permit one to:
1. fitnah
2. "kill" or "belasah" anyone
3. baling batu sembunyi tangan.
4. say:he [refereing to Anwar] even masturbate..." in front of all the many
foreign media which I witness myself on TV. {My comment: what a county is this?)
TWO:
Anwar ALSO has PLENTY of other good reason. So, look back, read the Quran with
the meaning more frequently, expand your horizon by clinging to more sort of
religous inividuals, get closer to the masjid - and maybe that would be good for
you Gina. If you are not a muslim, get closer to what ever religiouos belief you
belive in.
> Therefore i am saying that he did all
> these things WITH good reasons. Not just sesuka hati. But then i'm sure most
> of you would think that way. That's why i say, we will never know the truth,
Disagree.
The truth is out there. It shall be seen one day!
I truly believe in this. It's just a matter of time.
Praise the Lord!!, always.
( The One ALLah and not the so called son).
alhamdulillah.
and salam to Prophet Muhammad and all other rasul, including Isa son of Maryam.
peace.
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>From: "Gina S. D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: H-Net* Fakta atau Fitnah? Jawab!!!
>Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 01:08:03 WST
>
>JeFirefakta fakta yg ada kat dalam url tu are interesting. Walaupun,
>it's not the first time i've read or heard such a thing. Bukan nak cakap
>that those fakta are betul, neither am i saying it's wrong. The point of
>the
>matter is, we will never know. And what makes you all so sure that it's a
>fitnah? Is it not true that Anwar has special relationship with Michael
>Cohen and the likes? You all sure sangat ke that all those fakta are wrong?
>(delete)
Assalamualaikum warahmatullahiwabarakatuh
email diatas adalah satu contoh penggunaan bahasa rojak,,belum pun habis Isu
bahasa baku yang amat mengecewakan pejuang bahasa,masih ada segelintir yang
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pun faham .
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