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Luqman,
Tell me how many of us really understand the undang-undang of , let say
income tax...or....undang-undang on saman ekor....or....undang-undang on
premis menjual makanan...or more seriously ISA or OSA...or the seditious
act...and the list goes on....
Based on your argument below, If not many people understand these
undang-undang, why don't you suggest that we stop their implementation
first.....people of malaysia should stop paying income tax until they fully
understand how the law on income tax works.
>From: "luqman ismael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Hassan Haslim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:14:10 +0800
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>akum fellow brothers.....
>
> I'm so sorry for interrupting your discussion.....but after i read
>your
>writings i feel i need to express my opinion regarding this topic.......i
>think about the hudud....our country is still not ready to accept
>it.....not
>because hudud will make our people impaired...or lose the ability to
>work....BUT because our people dont have enough knowledge about
>hudud.....we
>are taught that...before we implement any kind of rules...we must inform
>the
>public about the rules.....how it works.....what are their rights in
>hudud?.... what are the conditions that must be fulfilled before the
>sentence can be carried out...?.....etc.....today many people dont
>understand about hudud...and this kind of people includes our PM......our
>PM
>obviously doesnt understand
>the real hudud......from his words i know he's lack of knowledge in
>hudud......
>
> i know it's scary to hear people get canned 100 times for
>adultery......BUT practically....it's NOT EASY to cane the man and the
>woman
>.....because one of the conditions that must apply before they can be
>canned is.......there must be 4 people who saw the man's 'thing' entered
>the
>woman 'thing'.......do u think people will do it in front of other
>people.....of course not.....practically most of the people who committed
>it will be punished according to our current rules...(takzir...)......i
>think if Madey know bout this....he wont be hesitant to implement
>hudud.......same thing with the potong tangan.....there are about 7
>conditions that must apply b4 we can cut the hand.....one of the conditions
>is the robber/thief must have committed the crime because of poverty
>.......today...do u think people will rob for fun.....of course
>not.....only
>Mafia rob for fun.....so finally we will again use the takzir.....(our
>current rules....).....but this doesnt mean hudud 's not suitable to be
>practiced......we have to practice it (after we informed the public about
>the real hudud ) because it's Allah's order...and we are His servants......
>
> another thing that concerns me is the unity of Msia
>muslims.......since
>our society dont have sufficient knowledge in Hudud...Pas perlu lakukan
>perkara ini seperti menarik rambut dari tepung........what are the
>advantage
>of hudud...? it will make our society safe from crime...Allah will bless
>us........hudud can make us strong......insyaAllah...but now we can see
>that
>we Muslim are not united anymore......there are 2 branch of muslim ...umno
>and pas......can we be strong without unity.......?.......hell no......Pas
>should try to implement hudud....slowly....tarik rambut dari tepung......i
>CANT see why we have to rush in implementing hudud.......kita tentu pernah
>mendengar cerita pembunuh yg meninggal dalam perjalannya ke masjid untuk
>bertaubat.......tapi akhirnya dia masuk syurga juga kerana usahanya untuk
>bertaubat (walaupun sebenarnya dia tak sempat taubat).....same as
>hudud...we
>need not to rush in implementing it.......all we need to do is preserve
>the
>unity.....and MOVE slowly (but dont stop !!! ) in implementing
>hudud.....insyaAllah Allah will bless us...
>
> .......right now i doubt Pas honesty in making hudud as our
>system..........if they want to implement Hudud because of Allah....they
>should try to avoid the disunity of Muslim in M'sia .......and do hudud
>slowly.........right now they seem to rush and they dont care about our
>unity ..they rejected the invitation to Majlis Melayu just because of the
>word 'Melayu' ...they are making umat stronger and weaker at the same time
>(mostly weaker....)......Why?......what do they want actually.....? power
>or keredhaan Allah....?.......it seems that they are pursuing the
>former......Sesungguhnya dalam usaha ke arah kebaikan....Allah tidak lihat
>hasilnya....Allah hanya lihat bagaimana kita mengusahakannya......adakah ia
>seperti menarik rambut dari tepung ataupun gelojoh semacam.........if im
>Nik
>Aziz....i'll bring PAS into UMNO......so PAS will have better chance to
>explain to them the real practical Hudud .........and at the same time
>unite
>the Muslim....thus slowly implement the Hudud.....cepat atau lambat tak
>penting...yg penting kita buat untuk keredhaan Allah......buat seperti
>menarik rambut dari tepung........
>
>wasalam...just my humble opinion......
>
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>From: Hassan, Haslim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 10:52 AM
>Subject: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
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> > Wa'alaikumussalam wbt,
> > Dear Brother Shah,
> >
> > Same to me with your reply...
> > What have Pas done so far?
> > There are many things done Pas has been doing except majority of the
>people
> > were not exposed, or simply the govt controlled medias do not provide an
> > equal exposure despite obstacles from you know who...
> > Maybe you should spend some time reading Harakah or other medias which
>are
> > not controlled by govt...
> >
> > I'm not saying Pas is perfect...
> > However, I believe everybody can see more clearly if Pas is the given
>the
> > FAIR opportunity to lead federal govt and all media is no longer in
> > controlled by BN cronies...
> > then why not letting Pas the amanah with the people's money...
> >
> > You said the Chinese do not understand about hudud...
> > Yes, I agree because the govt has no intention to implement hudud, no
> > intention to educate the non-muslims about Islamic judiciary and law...
> > even many muslims are still ignorant about hudud...
> > otherwise they would have agreed 100%, right?
> > If the govt is sincere in the direction implementing hudud (or becoming
>an
> > Islamic state),
> > they have been had the chance for the last 43 years...
> > If PM is not ignorant about hudud, he would not have ridiculed about
>it...
> > (e.g. of what he said, the country will not be productive if we
>dismemebered
> > the hands and legs of the thieves in the meeting with chief ministers &
>MBs
> > at Langkawi as compared to
> > Suratul Ma`idah ayat 38 yang bermaksud,
> > "Pencuri lelaki dan pencuri perempuan,maka hendaklah
> > kamu semua potong tangan kedua-dua mereka itu sebagai
> > balasan dengan apa yang mereka usahakan.Dan ini adalah
> > sebagai hukuman pencegah daripada ALLAH SWT.Dan ALLAH
> > itu Tuhan yang Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana."
> >
> > Ofcourse if Pas would have implement it now, it would be kelam-kabut...
>no
> > surprise, since PM has been instilling fear about implementing hudud...
> > he has been telling everybody implementing hudud would create chaos...
> > he has been propogating the negative impact of implementing hudud...
> > instead of educating the public about hudud!
> >
> > If you are in a big crowd and suddenly you yell at the crowd there is a
>live
> > bomb nearby, definitely the public will be in chaos...
> > it is the same thing what PM has been doing...
> > If PM is really sincere for hudud, he would have said positive things
>about
> > hudud...
> > If kelam-kabut, wouldn't you blame the person who cried wolf???
> >
> > Pas brainwashed me? Surprise!
> > What all the medias controlled by the govt, without having attended any
> > special program by Pas???
> > I can still remember clearly when an 'ulamak' sent by BTN trying to
>preach
> > that we must obey the ruler by using the Ayat "Athi ULLAH wa athi
>urrasul
>wa
> > ulil amri mingkum" but without finishing the whole Ayat...
> >
> > You said not to use Fed govt as an excuse...
> > Ah ha!! Same tactics from umno...
> > since fed govt IS the main excuse and the main obstacle, and then you
>tell
> > me not use the excuse...
> > it is as if you punched someone in the face and then you tell me not to
>say
> > the punch is main cause that bruised the face...
> > Funny isn't it??
> >
> > Sandiwara...
> > What has the govt got to achieve from sandiwara???
> > I thought it has been quite obvious, don't you notice it???
> > PM has successfully linked Al-Maunah to Pas...
> > by declaring some of al-maunah member have Pas stickers...
> > I wonder to which political party are the rest of al-maunah associated
>with
> > (which was not mentioned, ofcourse)???
> > he successfully used the deductive reasoning tactic...
> > Remember the deductive reasoning joke?
> >
> > Islamic country? None...
> > Then name me your so-called Islamic country...
> > if there is any, I think it is an embarrassment to Malaysia, since the
>govt
> > has been propogating as Malaysia is THE example Islamic country and the
> > Malaysia Boleh spirit!!!
> >
> > Quiting EON, I quit not because of EON is a crony company...
> > Ha! This has been one of the famous attack point for pro-umno...
> > I wonder, why Rasulullah s.a.w did not forbide any of the sahabahs from
> > working, earning income from the kuffar???
> >
> > Yes, many malay muslims are stupid!
> > I have many non-muslim friends and colleagues, and umno & bn have been a
> > laughing stock...
> > don't you realize it?
> > Ofcourse they are also laughing at Pas, I can understand it because they
> > don't understand Islam and what is Pas trying bring...
> > I can understand when they laughed at Pas for trying to implement hudud,
> > Islamic law, Islamic dressing...
> > but when they laughed at our judiciary system, the court proceedings...
> > I wonder why many still don't feel a thing when our judiciary system (of
> > so-called a GREAT country) has been a BIG joke and ridiculed???
> >
> > and yes, many malay muslims are stupid... selling of their principles,
>no
> > matter how heavy the crimes have been committed, they just close their
>eyes
> > and ears as long as the injustice do not befall on them.
> > I guess the malays deserve more injustice until they wake up and open up
> > their hearts...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ahmad Shariman Mohamed Garip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:20 AM
> > To: Hassan, Haslim; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Azlee Hj Mizan'; 'Fid'; 'Marhalisa
> > Matari'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Ahmad Albakree Mohd Razalli'
> > Subject: Re: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
> >
> >
> > Dear brother Haslim,
> > Assalamualaikum wbt.
> >
> > Yr answers dissapoints me.
> > I did not say that we cannot criticize the government. All I am saying
>is
> > what have PAS done so far? And what critisism have you got for them, or
> > everything is perfect...? Nik Aziz ..., PAS President for life, is
>it...????
> >
> > Maybe the next STAR headlines should sound: No one can object Nik Aziz
>or
> > Ustaz Hadi...
> >
> > On following Allahs' teachings- you miss the point. In simple
>English...you
> > want to go to Kuala Lumpur from Rawang, if current infra structure takes
>me
> > 1 hour to reach KL then I have to take that one hour if not I'll break a
>lot
> > of traffic rules or might even hurt someone...
> > Sama goes in following what is due to Allah, TACTFULNESS is the word.
>Iman
> > tu 3 level- dalam hati, dalam perkataan dan dengan
>perbuatan.remember...You
> > tak nak negara kita kelam kabut, Cina belum faham yang banyak ttg Islam
>kita
> > dah nak implement Hudud, nanti dia sensitif. Are you prepared to see
>negara
> > kelam kabut, anak nak keluar rumah pun takut, boleh terima hakikat ini
> > berlaku sekarang?
> >
> > Principle...principle...!!! What the heck? You don't have any
>principles.
> > When you were with the govt in all those so called govt programs, you
>said
> > you were brainwashed. Now it seems that you have been more brainwashed
>with
> > PAS.
> >
> > On success of the Kelantan govt. , I merely ask you 10 Questions, so far
>no
> > answers. Such things should be at yr finger tips if you think that they
>are
> > so good. I have warned you not to use the Fed govt as an excuse, you
>still
> > use it as an excuse! What a whimp.
> > I will join jihad if it is a very true cause. Remember the Serbians
> > Christians justified slayings of Muslims in Yugoslavia due to their holy
>war
> > cry. It was so called 'jihad' in the christianity teachings but for the
> > wrong reasons. PAS jihad, if they dare called it can be of same meaning.
> >
> > Sandiwara are mostly in TVs by actors/actresses. What has the govt got
>to
> > achieve by sandiwara.
> > What a joke, from a so called educated person from our educated society.
> >
> > On Islamic country, then in this case name me 3 Islamic country in this
> > world and why or is there none basing on yr simple and naive definition.
>You
> > chose to close yr ears on the file that I have forwarded to you
>regarding
> > this matter.
> >
> > On economic crisis, I am glad that you have quit EON, the so called
>crony
>of
> > Mahathir. Good principles, after so many years... I don't understand yr
> > statement on this point.
> >
> > Yeah you are surely right on Datuk Harun statement, only that he should
> > labelled it on both his beloved PAS and BN- "nak seribu daya, tak nak
>(atau
> > nak sandiwara) 1000 excuses"...
> >
> > May Allah gives victory to faithful people.
> >
> > I can go on and on and on ...
> > but we Malays Muslims are so stupid. Surely the Chinese and the Indians
>are
> > laughing at us behind our back. Melayu terus layu....the others are
>spending
> > their time surfing the net for knowledge and entrepenuerial
>opportunities
> > and we...
> >
> > Wassalam.
> >
> >
> >
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