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Asslamu alaikum sdr hayati dan semua,

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IMMI.


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> Assalamualaikum,
> 
> I would like to ask for a favour from all netter
> friends.
> 
> I had forwarded an article "The Prophethood in
> Islam" to my Christian
> friend and end in the following discussion. Can
> somebody help me to
> reply to his comments ?
> 
> Moga Allah memberi petunjuk,
> Hayati
> 
> 
> My statement:
> 
> Peace be with you. I have managed to find sometimes
> of my weekend to
> check the Quran with regard to your comment that
> Jesus was raised from
> death, and I AGREE with you that Jesus also has an
> ever lasting miracle
> (which we cannot phisically prove or be the
> eye-witness right now
> because we were not there when he rose and we can't
> see him in heaven
> right now, not like the Quran whereby we manage to
> be the
> eye-witness/experience the miracles ourselves) that
> was not mentioned
> by the writer of "The Prophethood in Islam" that
> Jesus was raise up to
> Allah (in heaven). But, I prefer the statement in
> the Quran in verse
> 4153-162(below) that the Jew kill not,nor crucified
> him, but rather it
> was only made to appear to them that they did.
> 
> My Christian Friend comments:
> 
>  "The Jews had to make sacrifices (kill animals) so
> that they could
> be forgiven.  In order for an unholy human to be
> with a holy Allah, we must
> be forgiven for our sins.  So the Jews shed the
> blood of the animals to be
> forgiven.  We believe Jesus was killed and his blood
> was shed not like one
> animal for a few sins, but he was killed
> (sacrificed) so that all people
> could be forgiven for all their sins.  Since we
> believe Jesus is the son of
> God, he never sinned and was therefore a perfect
> sacrifice. 
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  [Hadi's comments : Unlike christianity, Islam
presumes man are born sinless and pure, as pure as
white cloth. Sins (for wrongful deeds) only accumulate
upon him during his course of life.He is solely
responsible over his own sins.(He is not to be made
responsible over the Sins of others, including of his
parents). No deeds of others could redeem him nor
implicate him. No sacrifices of others could save him.

To be in heaven these sins are to be purged. This can
be done by him either before death thru repentance and
forgiveness by the God(Al-Lah), or after death by
cleansing in the hell. 

The Al-lah(Al=The, Lah=God) is all-merciful and
directly accessible to all, moslems or non-moslems. He
needs no material nor life(blood) sacrifices for Him
to give forgiveness. For, He is all-merciful; with Him
are all forgiveness!. One just needs to seek and HE
will forgive, if he wills so. And He definitely will
wills so because He loves purity. (A moslem will
totally submit to His will, even if He so willeth to
deny him forgiveness; for all prerogatives are His). 

Good deeds and forgiveness are to be continuously
sought throughout one's life). Prophet Mohamed(S.A.W),
even in his holiness, he still sought forgiveness from
Allah.

So, Allah needeth no blood of anyone(including of
Jesus) for Him to grant forgiveness to anyone...for He
is all-merciful. And Al-lah is all-mighty; for Him to
make things appearing as  the Jews saw it(ie the
demise of the prophet Jesus), is all too simple for
Allah........David Copperfield, the magician, have
casted far more mind-boggling illusions than
that...(forgive me for bringing mortal example here). 


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 But unlike the
> animals, Jesus rose from the dead, he defeated
> death, and by believing that
> he is our Savior we can defeat death, be forgiven,
> and live forever in
> Heaven.  So, why would it be an illusion as
> mentioned above?"
> ================================================
> [Hadi's comments : In is Islam, no one really dies.
Death is only to the physical body. The real "person"
in the form of soul(spirit) is "samely" alive even
long after detachment from the physical body. In other
words, death is just a mere transition. Living body as
we know it, is just a transit vessel of the soul. So
there is no necessity to defeat death, be it for Jesus
or other mortals. For there is no real death. To make
any detached soul(be it of Jesus or other's) plainly
visible to others is a matter of will to Allah. For He
is all-mighty!. He can do anything.

In the same breath, Allah may will to save any bodies 
from death and disgrace. By the same token He saved
Ishmael from Abraham's slaughter. He replaced him with
a sheep which got slaugtered instead. Abraham himself
was saved by Allah from fiery death. So it is not only
on Prophet Jesus' occassion that Allah saved some
physical bodies from death!. He is almighty. He can
will anything including creating illusions to prevent
disgrace to whoever His chose...and offcourse such
miracles would demonstrate His presence and
Godliness!.

The saviourness of prophet Jesus is like of any other
prophets of God, would be in his teachings and his
way, which is to live in the Truth(Al-Haq). All the
prophets came down showing the Truth, but people got
easily swayed from seeing it. The Truth is the real
saviour of all!.

Hope this has shed some lights upon one who seeks to
see the light. .."Within a light there can be many
more beautiful lights...it takes a technology to
elicit it!--(rainbow analogy--hadi's own philosophy) 

Allah knows best!.

hadi
IMMI
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