Re: H-Net* Tiada Wali Di Kalangan Wahhabi - Imam Abul Fayed Ahmad.

2000-05-09 Terurut Topik Abdul Rahman


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 DARI QURAN. KALAU ADA PUN AYAT YG DISERTAKAN, TETAPI
 SEMUANYA DITAFSIRKAN MENGIKUT AKALNYA YG BERCELARU
 LANTARAN INGIN MENANDINGI ULAMA' MUKTABAR SILAM.

 LIHAT SAJALAH ... HUJATUL ISLAM IMAM AL-GHAZALI,
 SYEIKH ABDUL QADIR JAILANI, RABIATUL ADAWIYAH SEMUANYA
 DIPERLEKEHKAN. LEPAS TU NAK JUAL SEMUA IMAM MAZHAB DGN
 MENGATAKAN SEMUANYA MENGHENTAM SUFI. LEPAS TU MENGARUT
 DGN MENGATAKAN ADA HADIS DLM MUSNAD AT-TIRMIZI YG
 TIDAK SAHIH. KEMUDIAN MERACAU PULAK DGN MENGATAKAN
 BAHAWA ADA HADIS DLM SAHIH BUKHARI DAN MUSLIM YG TAK
 SAHIH.

Kalau tak tau ilmu hadeeth silalah mengaji dulu barulah komen pasal AL
Hadeeth,

Kalau tidak awak juga yang malu.

Juga, kalau nak tahu ilmu hadeeth janganlah duduk dalam sufi itu.
Sampai bilalah tak tahu ilmu hadeeth.


 
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Re: H-Net* Tiada Wali Di Kalangan Wahhabi - Imam Abul Fayed Ahmad.

2000-05-09 Terurut Topik Prof. Nurani


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Kalau tak tau ilmu hadeeth silalah mengaji dulu barulah komen pasal AL
Hadeeth,

Kalau tidak awak juga yang malu.

Juga, kalau nak tahu ilmu hadeeth janganlah duduk dalam sufi itu.
Sampai bilalah tak tahu ilmu hadeeth.

Saya juga bersetuju, Abdul Rahman silalah mengaji dulu ilmu Tasauf dan 
Tauhid, kemudian baharulah komen fasal KESUFIAN!

Jangan rasa malu untuk belajar.

Ilmu Allah sangat luas dan tiada terbatas, jangan ingat cukup perfect bila 
tahu ilmu Hadis. Oh tidak! Tidak sama sekali! Jangan mengelirukan fakta!

Biarpun antara kita tahu ilmu Hadis, tetapi kalau tidak mengenal TUAN punya 
Hadis, tak jadi juga!

Samalah dengan PENDUSTA, hanya pandai meriwayatkan sahaja! Itupun MENCIPLAK 
hasil karya orang!

Tolong sikit!

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Re: H-Net* Tiada Wali Di Kalangan Wahhabi - Imam Abul Fayed Ahmad.

2000-05-09 Terurut Topik Sani Norku


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Sebenarnya selama ini saya cuba mengangkat Rahman dgn
gelaran 'pakar hadis'walaupun saya cuma menyindirnya.

Rupanya Rahman betul-betul terperasan yg dia pakar
hadis. Maaf cakap yg selama ini tiada ilmu hadis yg
kita dapat drp dia.

Tak kisahlah, tanpa suruhannya pun saya tetap belajar
hadis, fiqh, tauhid dan tasauf guna utk beramal.

---Belajar Hadis Utk Amal---

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 SALAM...
 
 
 From: Abdul Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Kalau tak tau ilmu hadeeth silalah mengaji dulu
 barulah komen pasal AL
 Hadeeth,
 
 Kalau tidak awak juga yang malu.
 
 Juga, kalau nak tahu ilmu hadeeth janganlah duduk
 dalam sufi itu.
 Sampai bilalah tak tahu ilmu hadeeth.
 
 Saya juga bersetuju, Abdul Rahman silalah mengaji
 dulu ilmu Tasauf dan 
 Tauhid, kemudian baharulah komen fasal KESUFIAN!
 
 Jangan rasa malu untuk belajar.
 
 Ilmu Allah sangat luas dan tiada terbatas, jangan
 ingat cukup perfect bila 
 tahu ilmu Hadis. Oh tidak! Tidak sama sekali! Jangan
 mengelirukan fakta!
 
 Biarpun antara kita tahu ilmu Hadis, tetapi kalau
 tidak mengenal TUAN punya 
 Hadis, tak jadi juga!
 
 Samalah dengan PENDUSTA, hanya pandai meriwayatkan
 sahaja! Itupun MENCIPLAK 
 hasil karya orang!
 
 Tolong sikit!
 
 Best regards - Nurani


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 Saya juga bersetuju, Abdul Rahman silalah mengaji dulu ilmu Tasauf dan
 Tauhid, kemudian baharulah komen fasal KESUFIAN!

Inshaalah, saya dah ngaji dah ilmu sufi. Dan dari pengajian dsaya yang saya
nilai dengan akidah islamiah, sufi ini tidak selari dengan ISlam.

 Ilmu Allah sangat luas dan tiada terbatas, jangan ingat cukup perfect bila
 tahu ilmu Hadis. Oh tidak! Tidak sama sekali! Jangan mengelirukan fakta!

Ilmu Hadeeth adalah ASAS segala ILMU dalam ISLAM kerana ianya BERKAITAN dengan
KESAHIHAN SESUATU SUMBER.  Setiap ulama2 yang besar2 adalah MAHIR dalam ILMU
HADEETH.

Ulama2sufi TIADA YANG DIKETAHUI mahir dalam ilmu hadeeth, yakni baik Al
Ghazali, Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jailani dsbnya.

 Biarpun antara kita tahu ilmu Hadis, tetapi kalau tidak mengenal TUAN punya
 Hadis, tak jadi juga!

Kalau tak tau ilmu hadeeth MACAMANA nak kenal tuan punya hadeeth??.



 
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Re: H-Net* Tiada Wali Di Kalangan Wahhabi - Imam Abul Fayed Ahmad.

2000-05-08 Terurut Topik Abdul Rahman


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 Sdr dah baca mail Sdr Abd Jamil Lam. Ada faham tak?  Kalau tak faham
 too bad lah. Definition Wali dan Wilayat ni dah berkali-kali
 diterangkan. Ada sdr kita siap recommend baca majalah/article yang
 menyentuh fasal kewalian ni a few months back. Dalam majalah tu ada
 juga disisipkan pandangan ulamak kebanggaan sdr Dr Johari Mat.
 Sdr masih nak minta Watikah lagi ke?

Saya dah baca dan saya dah jawab.  PEnerangan sdr Jamil Lam jelas TIADA
ASAS dari Al Quran dan Sunnah.




 Sila maklum, satu FAKTA yang masih tak dapat disangkal lagi ialah
 MEMANG TIDAK ADA WALI DI KALANGAN WAHABI/SALAFI.
 sallam

 --- Abdul Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Memanglah dalam Wahabi tiada WALI kerana WAHABI tak lantik wali2
  mereka.
  Tetapi Sufi BERANI berbohong di atas nama ALLAH SWT dan melantik
  WALI2
  mereka yang mereka namakan sebagai WALI ALLAH.
 
  
   A Demonstration that the Wahhabis are Khawarij
   taken from the book 'Ihya al-Maqbur' pages 59-60.
   by the late Muhaddith of the Age, Imam Abu'l-Fayd Ahmad ibn Abi
   Abdallah al-Siddiq al-Ghimmari, author of 143 books.
  
   Bismillahi'rrahmani'rrahim
  
   As for the Qarniyyun, their land has not been blessed by Allah with
  any
   wali or salih since the beginning of Islam down to the present day.
 (snipped)

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DARI QURAN. KALAU ADA PUN AYAT YG DISERTAKAN, TETAPI
SEMUANYA DITAFSIRKAN MENGIKUT AKALNYA YG BERCELARU
LANTARAN INGIN MENANDINGI ULAMA' MUKTABAR SILAM. 

LIHAT SAJALAH ... HUJATUL ISLAM IMAM AL-GHAZALI,
SYEIKH ABDUL QADIR JAILANI, RABIATUL ADAWIYAH SEMUANYA
DIPERLEKEHKAN. LEPAS TU NAK JUAL SEMUA IMAM MAZHAB DGN
MENGATAKAN SEMUANYA MENGHENTAM SUFI. LEPAS TU MENGARUT
DGN MENGATAKAN ADA HADIS DLM MUSNAD AT-TIRMIZI YG
TIDAK SAHIH. KEMUDIAN MERACAU PULAK DGN MENGATAKAN
BAHAWA ADA HADIS DLM SAHIH BUKHARI DAN MUSLIM YG TAK
SAHIH.

---RAHMAN SUDAH MERACAU---

--- Abdul Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sdr dah baca mail Sdr Abd Jamil Lam. Ada faham
 tak?  Kalau tak faham
  too bad lah. Definition Wali dan Wilayat ni dah
 berkali-kali
  diterangkan. Ada sdr kita siap recommend baca
 majalah/article yang
  menyentuh fasal kewalian ni a few months back.
 Dalam majalah tu ada
  juga disisipkan pandangan ulamak kebanggaan sdr Dr
 Johari Mat.
  Sdr masih nak minta Watikah lagi ke?
 
 Saya dah baca dan saya dah jawab.  PEnerangan sdr
 Jamil Lam jelas TIADA
 ASAS dari Al Quran dan Sunnah.
 
 
 
 
  Sila maklum, satu FAKTA yang masih tak dapat
 disangkal lagi ialah
  MEMANG TIDAK ADA WALI DI KALANGAN WAHABI/SALAFI.
  sallam
 
  --- Abdul Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   Memanglah dalam Wahabi tiada WALI kerana WAHABI
 tak lantik wali2
   mereka.
   Tetapi Sufi BERANI berbohong di atas nama ALLAH
 SWT dan melantik
   WALI2
   mereka yang mereka namakan sebagai WALI ALLAH.
  
   
A Demonstration that the Wahhabis are Khawarij
taken from the book 'Ihya al-Maqbur' pages
 59-60.
by the late Muhaddith of the Age, Imam
 Abu'l-Fayd Ahmad ibn Abi
Abdallah al-Siddiq al-Ghimmari, author of 143
 books.
   
Bismillahi'rrahmani'rrahim
   
As for the Qarniyyun, their land has not been
 blessed by Allah with
   any
wali or salih since the beginning of Islam
 down to the present day.
  (snipped)
 
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Re: H-Net* Tiada Wali Di Kalangan Wahhabi - Imam Abul Fayed Ahmad.

2000-05-07 Terurut Topik Abdul Rahman


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Memanglah dalam Wahabi tiada WALI kerana WAHABI tak lantik wali2 mereka.

Tetapi Sufi BERANI berbohong di atas nama ALLAH SWT dan melantik WALI2
mereka yang mereka namakan sebagai WALI ALLAH.



 A Demonstration that the Wahhabis are Khawarij
 taken from the book 'Ihya al-Maqbur' pages 59-60.
 by the late Muhaddith of the Age, Imam Abu'l-Fayd Ahmad ibn Abi
 Abdallah al-Siddiq al-Ghimmari, author of 143 books.

 Bismillahi'rrahmani'rrahim

 As for the Qarniyyun, their land has not been blessed by Allah with any
 wali or salih since the beginning of Islam down to the present day.
 Instead, he only gave it the Qarn al-Shaytan ['the Devil's Horn'],
 whose followers were the Khawarij of the thirteenth and subsequent
 Islamic centuries. So fear God, and do not be like he who is beguiled
 by them, and supports their corrupt sect and worthless opinion, and
 their state of misguidance which was explicitly described by the
 Prophet (upon whom be blessings and peace), who characterised them as
 the 'Dogs of the Fire' [kilab al-nar], and informed us that they are
 the 'worst of all who dwell beneath the sky', and that they 'swerve
 from the religion as an arrow swerves away from its target,' and that
 they mouth among the best of sayings in the form of their prattlings
 about Tawhid, and implementing the Sunna, and combating bid'as - and
 yet, by Allah, they are drowning in bid'a; in fact, there is no bid'a
 worse than theirs, which causes them to 'swerve from the religion as an
 arrow swerves away from its target', in spite of their superficial
 efforts in worship and adherence to the religion. It is as the Prophet
 (upon whom be blessings and peace) declared: 'one of you would despise
 the prayer he says among them, and the fasting he completes with them;
 they recite Qur'an but it goes no further than their collarbones.'

 It is for this reason that he refrained (upon him be blessings and
 peace) from making du'a for Najd in the way that he had prayed for the
 Yemen and for Syria, for he said: 'Allahumma bless us in our Yemen;
 bless us in our Syria' - and they said, 'And in our Najd, o Messenger
 of Allah?' (upon him be blessings and peace), but he repeated his
 prayer for the Yemen and for Syria; and they repeated their utterance;
 until he said, the second or the third time round, in order to explain
 why he would not pray for Najd:

 'That is the place of earthquakes, and fitnas, and from it the Devil's
 Horn shall rise.' [Narrated by Bukhari.] And nothing has emerged from
 there to bring about earthquakes and fitnas in the religion like
 Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, who was astray and led others astray. Hence
 he was the Devil's Horn foretold by the Messenger (upon him be
 blessings and peace), and he abstained from offering prayer for Najd
 because of him, and because of the fitnas which would flow from his
 demonic da'wa. Whoever adheres to that da'wa has committed unambiguous
 kufr, and is destined for apostasy and 'swerving from the religion', as
 is visible in the case of the other mulhids [heretical unbelievers] of
 the age who are notorious for their ilhad, for in every case they began
 by holding fast to the sect of the Devil's Horn, as is well-known to
 scholars of experience and insight.

 Wa-salla'Llahu 'ala sayyidina Muhammadin wa-'ala alihi wa-sahbihi
 kullama dhakaru a-dhakirun wa-ghafala 'an dhikrihi al-ghafilun.

 wa'l-hamdu li'Llahi rabbi'l-'alamin.

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Sdr dah baca mail Sdr Abd Jamil Lam. Ada faham tak?  Kalau tak faham
too bad lah. Definition Wali dan Wilayat ni dah berkali-kali
diterangkan. Ada sdr kita siap recommend baca majalah/article yang
menyentuh fasal kewalian ni a few months back. Dalam majalah tu ada
juga disisipkan pandangan ulamak kebanggaan sdr Dr Johari Mat. 
Sdr masih nak minta Watikah lagi ke?

Sila maklum, satu FAKTA yang masih tak dapat disangkal lagi ialah
MEMANG TIDAK ADA WALI DI KALANGAN WAHABI/SALAFI. 
sallam

--- Abdul Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Memanglah dalam Wahabi tiada WALI kerana WAHABI tak lantik wali2
 mereka.
 Tetapi Sufi BERANI berbohong di atas nama ALLAH SWT dan melantik
 WALI2
 mereka yang mereka namakan sebagai WALI ALLAH.
 
 
  A Demonstration that the Wahhabis are Khawarij
  taken from the book 'Ihya al-Maqbur' pages 59-60.
  by the late Muhaddith of the Age, Imam Abu'l-Fayd Ahmad ibn Abi
  Abdallah al-Siddiq al-Ghimmari, author of 143 books.
 
  Bismillahi'rrahmani'rrahim
 
  As for the Qarniyyun, their land has not been blessed by Allah with
 any
  wali or salih since the beginning of Islam down to the present day.
(snipped)


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A Demonstration that the Wahhabis are Khawarij
taken from the book 'Ihya al-Maqbur' pages 59-60.
by the late Muhaddith of the Age, Imam Abu'l-Fayd Ahmad ibn Abi
Abdallah al-Siddiq al-Ghimmari, author of 143 books.

Bismillahi'rrahmani'rrahim

As for the Qarniyyun, their land has not been blessed by Allah with any
wali or salih since the beginning of Islam down to the present day.
Instead, he only gave it the Qarn al-Shaytan ['the Devil's Horn'],
whose followers were the Khawarij of the thirteenth and subsequent
Islamic centuries. So fear God, and do not be like he who is beguiled
by them, and supports their corrupt sect and worthless opinion, and
their state of misguidance which was explicitly described by the
Prophet (upon whom be blessings and peace), who characterised them as
the 'Dogs of the Fire' [kilab al-nar], and informed us that they are
the 'worst of all who dwell beneath the sky', and that they 'swerve
from the religion as an arrow swerves away from its target,' and that
they mouth among the best of sayings in the form of their prattlings
about Tawhid, and implementing the Sunna, and combating bid'as - and
yet, by Allah, they are drowning in bid'a; in fact, there is no bid'a
worse than theirs, which causes them to 'swerve from the religion as an
arrow swerves away from its target', in spite of their superficial
efforts in worship and adherence to the religion. It is as the Prophet
(upon whom be blessings and peace) declared: 'one of you would despise
the prayer he says among them, and the fasting he completes with them;
they recite Qur'an but it goes no further than their collarbones.' 

It is for this reason that he refrained (upon him be blessings and
peace) from making du'a for Najd in the way that he had prayed for the
Yemen and for Syria, for he said: 'Allahumma bless us in our Yemen;
bless us in our Syria' - and they said, 'And in our Najd, o Messenger
of Allah?' (upon him be blessings and peace), but he repeated his
prayer for the Yemen and for Syria; and they repeated their utterance;
until he said, the second or the third time round, in order to explain
why he would not pray for Najd: 

'That is the place of earthquakes, and fitnas, and from it the Devil's
Horn shall rise.' [Narrated by Bukhari.] And nothing has emerged from
there to bring about earthquakes and fitnas in the religion like
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, who was astray and led others astray. Hence
he was the Devil's Horn foretold by the Messenger (upon him be
blessings and peace), and he abstained from offering prayer for Najd
because of him, and because of the fitnas which would flow from his
demonic da'wa. Whoever adheres to that da'wa has committed unambiguous
kufr, and is destined for apostasy and 'swerving from the religion', as
is visible in the case of the other mulhids [heretical unbelievers] of
the age who are notorious for their ilhad, for in every case they began
by holding fast to the sect of the Devil's Horn, as is well-known to
scholars of experience and insight. 

Wa-salla'Llahu 'ala sayyidina Muhammadin wa-'ala alihi wa-sahbihi
kullama dhakaru a-dhakirun wa-ghafala 'an dhikrihi al-ghafilun. 

wa'l-hamdu li'Llahi rabbi'l-'alamin.   



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