Re: [hlcoders] PM_PreventMegaBunnyJumping()
El Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:45:59 -0500 "botman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dijo: > > You wouldn't want to clamp jumping to the normal forward speed of a > > player as jumping is a gathering of kinetic/potential? energy in the > > skeletal/muscular system and a release quickly to accelerate, it has > > to be somewhat faster therefore than 1.0 times max speed. Why 1.7? I > > dunno, why 100 health? Just numbers chosen that 'felt right'? (well > > 100 health makes math easy, but you know what i mean). > > Yeah, I don't think the numbers are based on any kind of mathematical > formula. Like Pat said, their probably just made up values that are > tweaked until you get the desired effect. > > It kinda sucks having to compile, test, tweak, compile, test, tweak, > compile, test, tweak, etc. > You can read these custom values from console? I somethimes attach X internal variable temporaly to... temp1, and with console change temp1 to tweak for better adjustement. Example: rocket density value (too high, and will hidden stuff, too tigh and will be unsheen and will lose quality) If else fail, I guess you can read from a text file, and have this file open in notepad to edit/reconnect or whatever... imho. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] PM_PreventMegaBunnyJumping()
The 1.7 and 0.65 are just two numbers we chose after testing and tweaking the code around. If you read the code, BUNNYJUMP_MAX_SPEED_FACTOR is used as a cap on how fast you can go. We still let you bunny hop, but instead of going uncapped like before (reaching speeds of mach 3!) we now slow you down so you can't exceed the player's maxspeed * 1.7, which is still a little high, but we thought it fit TFC since we didn't want to get rid of all the little tricks you could do with the rocket launcher and grenades. The 0.65 is how fast we slow you down, we didn't want it to feel like hitting wall once you went over the maxspeed. For reference, CS's numbers are 1.2 and 0.8. -Original Message- From: Brian A. Stumm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlcoders] PM_PreventMegaBunnyJumping() Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind this code (code at bottom)? I understand this is to limit bunny hopping but why 1.7X the player max speed? Is there a reason this was not set lower? Also why the .65 speed reduction? 400 x 1.7 * 0.65 = 443 ??? I would like to further prevent bhoping and thought I would follow Valves approach only with different multipliers but wonder why Valve didn't do this originally. Was there some problem that prevented using a factor of 1.0 or 1.2 for example? Why was 1.7 chosen as the limit? [code] FROM VALVE SDK FILE: pm_shared.c #define BUNNYJUMP_MAX_SPEED_FACTOR 1.7f //-- --- // Purpose: Corrects bunny jumping ( where player initiates a bunny jump before other // movement logic runs, thus making onground == -1 thus making PM_Friction get skipped and // running PM_AirMove, which doesn't crop velocity to maxspeed like the ground / other // movement logic does. //-- --- void PM_PreventMegaBunnyJumping( void ) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] PM_PreventMegaBunnyJumping()
> You wouldn't want to clamp jumping to the normal forward speed of a player > as jumping is a gathering of kinetic/potential? energy in the > skeletal/muscular system and a release quickly to accelerate, it has to be > somewhat faster therefore than 1.0 times max speed. Why 1.7? I dunno, why > 100 health? Just numbers chosen that 'felt right'? (well 100 health makes > math easy, but you know what i mean). Yeah, I don't think the numbers are based on any kind of mathematical formula. Like Pat said, their probably just made up values that are tweaked until you get the desired effect. It kinda sucks having to compile, test, tweak, compile, test, tweak, compile, test, tweak, etc. Jeffrey "botman" Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] PM_PreventMegaBunnyJumping()
There's two sorts of bunny hopping. What this code prevents is pogo sticking, jump jump jump (not touching the ground, and also not running other movement logic - as the comments say). That still allows what a CS player would think of as a bunny hop, jump, land, jump in rapid succession. You'll still need to code logic to stop that sort of jumping (using a stamina system ala DOD would work, I add further penalties like you can't aim for beans after a jump, and if you jump while firing an RPG or something you'll blow your .. err legs off). At least that's always been my understanding. You wouldn't want to clamp jumping to the normal forward speed of a player as jumping is a gathering of kinetic/potential? energy in the skeletal/muscular system and a release quickly to accelerate, it has to be somewhat faster therefore than 1.0 times max speed. Why 1.7? I dunno, why 100 health? Just numbers chosen that 'felt right'? (well 100 health makes math easy, but you know what i mean). At 09:52 AM 8/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind this code (code at bottom)? I understand this is to limit bunny hopping but why 1.7X the player max speed? Is there a reason this was not set lower? Also why the .65 speed reduction? 400 x 1.7 * 0.65 = 443 ??? I would like to further prevent bhoping and thought I would follow Valves approach only with different multipliers but wonder why Valve didn't do this originally. Was there some problem that prevented using a factor of 1.0 or 1.2 for example? Why was 1.7 chosen as the limit? [code] FROM VALVE SDK FILE: pm_shared.c #define BUNNYJUMP_MAX_SPEED_FACTOR 1.7f //- // Purpose: Corrects bunny jumping ( where player initiates a bunny jump before other // movement logic runs, thus making onground == -1 thus making PM_Friction get skipped and // running PM_AirMove, which doesn't crop velocity to maxspeed like the ground / other // movement logic does. //- void PM_PreventMegaBunnyJumping( void ) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders Pat 'sluggo' Magnan Tour of Duty mod http://www.tourofdutymod.com Monkeystrike mod http://www.monkeystrike.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related)
Because I have the catch-all for my domain, I get about 100 of those emails a day. They're cleaned by norton as they come in, then deleted safely. Why is it so many people can't bring themselves to remove klez? _ Jeff 'Kuja' Katz Leader, Digital Paintball http://www.digitalpaintball.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sniper Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related) Since pretty much everyone may be affected by this spam-wannabe virus, it's okay to have a discussion on it here. (In my opinion) -Sniper - Original Message - From: "Steven Van Ingelgem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related) > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > As you might have noticed... This list is a HL coders list. Questions > concerning operating systems (and in this case Outlook), should be > posted to the proper lists. NOT a HL coders list. > > At 11:52 22/08/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >-- > >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >This is an Emergency! > > > > > > > >Some idiot with my email got that stupid virus going around so now he sends > >me 500 emails a day with spoofed addresses also from his computer. > >The good > >news is they all have the same subject: > > > > > > > >Re: That movie > > > >Re: Your application > > > >Re: Thank you! > > > >Re: Details > > > >Re: Re: MY details > > > >Re: Your details > > > >Re: Details > > > >Re: Wicked screensaver > > > > > > > >Etc. > > > > > > > >I think there are about 7 or 8 possible subjects that this virus produces. > >My question is this.. how the heck do I set subject filters in > >outlook? From > >what I can see is that outlook is designed for idiots and has no > >advanced security features.. well That's not true but I don't know > >how to use them. I > >saw txt file "filters.txt" and that looked like a config file because > >it had > >Commands like > > > > > > > >Body contains "for free?" > > > > > > > >Or.. > > > > > > > > From contains "profits@" > > > > > > > >These looks like nice little commands built right into a confg file > >BUT NO.. > >I later found out filters.txt was useless and had no point or meaning > >or valve.. outlook doest even open or load the file. Why is it there? > >Does anyone on this list know how the heck to filter stuff correctly? > >This would > >help me a lot, I use this email account for all my hl mod stuff, its > >how I > >communicate with my team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >___ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >archives, please visit: > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > G00fy, (aka KaReL, aka Steven) > > Main Webpage : http://komma.cjb.net > CQ Database : http://lid.fragland.net/ > ICQ #: 35217584 > MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related)
Yes, it might create some, god forbid, traffic! These kinda posts help me make sure im still subscribed... -- MoD - Original Message - From: "Steven Van Ingelgem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related) > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > As you might have noticed... This list is a HL coders list. > Questions concerning operating systems (and in this case Outlook), should > be posted to the proper lists. NOT a HL coders list. > > At 11:52 22/08/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >-- > >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >This is an Emergency! > > > > > > > >Some idiot with my email got that stupid virus going around so now he sends > >me 500 emails a day with spoofed addresses also from his computer. The good > >news is they all have the same subject: > > > > > > > >Re: That movie > > > >Re: Your application > > > >Re: Thank you! > > > >Re: Details > > > >Re: Re: MY details > > > >Re: Your details > > > >Re: Details > > > >Re: Wicked screensaver > > > > > > > >Etc. > > > > > > > >I think there are about 7 or 8 possible subjects that this virus produces. > >My question is this.. how the heck do I set subject filters in outlook? From > >what I can see is that outlook is designed for idiots and has no advanced > >security features.. well That's not true but I don't know how to use them. I > >saw txt file "filters.txt" and that looked like a config file because it had > >Commands like > > > > > > > >Body contains "for free?" > > > > > > > >Or.. > > > > > > > > From contains "profits@" > > > > > > > >These looks like nice little commands built right into a confg file BUT NO.. > >I later found out filters.txt was useless and had no point or meaning or > >valve.. outlook doest even open or load the file. Why is it there? Does > >anyone on this list know how the heck to filter stuff correctly? This would > >help me a lot, I use this email account for all my hl mod stuff, its how I > >communicate with my team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >___ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >please visit: > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > G00fy, (aka KaReL, aka Steven) > > Main Webpage : http://komma.cjb.net > CQ Database : http://lid.fragland.net/ > ICQ #: 35217584 > MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related)
Since pretty much everyone may be affected by this spam-wannabe virus, it's okay to have a discussion on it here. (In my opinion) -Sniper - Original Message - From: "Steven Van Ingelgem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related) > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > As you might have noticed... This list is a HL coders list. > Questions concerning operating systems (and in this case Outlook), should > be posted to the proper lists. NOT a HL coders list. > > At 11:52 22/08/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >-- > >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >This is an Emergency! > > > > > > > >Some idiot with my email got that stupid virus going around so now he sends > >me 500 emails a day with spoofed addresses also from his computer. The good > >news is they all have the same subject: > > > > > > > >Re: That movie > > > >Re: Your application > > > >Re: Thank you! > > > >Re: Details > > > >Re: Re: MY details > > > >Re: Your details > > > >Re: Details > > > >Re: Wicked screensaver > > > > > > > >Etc. > > > > > > > >I think there are about 7 or 8 possible subjects that this virus produces. > >My question is this.. how the heck do I set subject filters in outlook? From > >what I can see is that outlook is designed for idiots and has no advanced > >security features.. well That's not true but I don't know how to use them. I > >saw txt file "filters.txt" and that looked like a config file because it had > >Commands like > > > > > > > >Body contains "for free?" > > > > > > > >Or.. > > > > > > > > From contains "profits@" > > > > > > > >These looks like nice little commands built right into a confg file BUT NO.. > >I later found out filters.txt was useless and had no point or meaning or > >valve.. outlook doest even open or load the file. Why is it there? Does > >anyone on this list know how the heck to filter stuff correctly? This would > >help me a lot, I use this email account for all my hl mod stuff, its how I > >communicate with my team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >___ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >please visit: > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > G00fy, (aka KaReL, aka Steven) > > Main Webpage : http://komma.cjb.net > CQ Database : http://lid.fragland.net/ > ICQ #: 35217584 > MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related)
Tools->Message Rules->Mail - Original Message - From: "Kyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related) > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > This is an Emergency! > > > > Some idiot with my email got that stupid virus going around so now he sends > me 500 emails a day with spoofed addresses also from his computer. The good > news is they all have the same subject: > > > > Re: That movie > > Re: Your application > > Re: Thank you! > > Re: Details > > Re: Re: MY details > > Re: Your details > > Re: Details > > Re: Wicked screensaver > > > > Etc. > > > > I think there are about 7 or 8 possible subjects that this virus produces. > My question is this.. how the heck do I set subject filters in outlook? From > what I can see is that outlook is designed for idiots and has no advanced > security features.. well That's not true but I don't know how to use them. I > saw txt file "filters.txt" and that looked like a config file because it had > Commands like > > > > Body contains "for free?" > > > > Or.. > > > > From contains "profits@" > > > > These looks like nice little commands built right into a confg file BUT NO.. > I later found out filters.txt was useless and had no point or meaning or > valve.. outlook doest even open or load the file. Why is it there? Does > anyone on this list know how the heck to filter stuff correctly? This would > help me a lot, I use this email account for all my hl mod stuff, its how I > communicate with my team > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related)
Outlooks calls it's filters "Rules" and I think it's under the tools menu. Outlook 2003 has some more advanced features, but I use Apple Mail now, so it's less annoying as I can train it to pick-up crap like the worm ;) -Philip On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 06:52 am, Kyle wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] This is an Emergency! Some idiot with my email got that stupid virus going around so now he sends me 500 emails a day with spoofed addresses also from his computer. The good news is they all have the same subject: Re: That movie Re: Your application Re: Thank you! Re: Details Re: Re: MY details Re: Your details Re: Details Re: Wicked screensaver Etc. I think there are about 7 or 8 possible subjects that this virus produces. My question is this.. how the heck do I set subject filters in outlook? From what I can see is that outlook is designed for idiots and has no advanced security features.. well That's not true but I don't know how to use them. I saw txt file "filters.txt" and that looked like a config file because it had Commands like Body contains "for free?" Or.. From contains "profits@" These looks like nice little commands built right into a confg file BUT NO.. I later found out filters.txt was useless and had no point or meaning or valve.. outlook doest even open or load the file. Why is it there? Does anyone on this list know how the heck to filter stuff correctly? This would help me a lot, I use this email account for all my hl mod stuff, its how I communicate with my team -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related)
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] As you might have noticed... This list is a HL coders list. Questions concerning operating systems (and in this case Outlook), should be posted to the proper lists. NOT a HL coders list. At 11:52 22/08/2003 -0700, you wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >-- >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >This is an Emergency! > > > >Some idiot with my email got that stupid virus going around so now he sends >me 500 emails a day with spoofed addresses also from his computer. The good >news is they all have the same subject: > > > >Re: That movie > >Re: Your application > >Re: Thank you! > >Re: Details > >Re: Re: MY details > >Re: Your details > >Re: Details > >Re: Wicked screensaver > > > >Etc. > > > >I think there are about 7 or 8 possible subjects that this virus produces. >My question is this.. how the heck do I set subject filters in outlook? From >what I can see is that outlook is designed for idiots and has no advanced >security features.. well That's not true but I don't know how to use them. I >saw txt file "filters.txt" and that looked like a config file because it had >Commands like > > > >Body contains "for free?" > > > >Or.. > > > > From contains "profits@" > > > >These looks like nice little commands built right into a confg file BUT NO.. >I later found out filters.txt was useless and had no point or meaning or >valve.. outlook doest even open or load the file. Why is it there? Does >anyone on this list know how the heck to filter stuff correctly? This would >help me a lot, I use this email account for all my hl mod stuff, its how I >communicate with my team > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders G00fy, (aka KaReL, aka Steven) Main Webpage : http://komma.cjb.net CQ Database : http://lid.fragland.net/ ICQ #: 35217584 MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related)
If you are talking about Outlook (the mail client shipped with MS Office), I can only recommend you get yourself a REAL mail reader. If you are talking about Outlook Express, I can only say RTFM, or look at the tools menu. There you will find a 'Message Rules' item. With that you have have a quite good set of message filters. Also, in the message menu (next to the tools menu), there is an item called 'Create rule from message...'. Guess what that does. Next time, RTFM before you bash a nice product (if you are talking about Outlook Express that is). Jeroen "ShadowLord" Bogers - Original Message - From: "Kyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 20:52 Subject: [hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related) > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > This is an Emergency! > > > > Some idiot with my email got that stupid virus going around so now he sends > me 500 emails a day with spoofed addresses also from his computer. The good > news is they all have the same subject: > > > > Re: That movie > > Re: Your application > > Re: Thank you! > > Re: Details > > Re: Re: MY details > > Re: Your details > > Re: Details > > Re: Wicked screensaver > > > > Etc. > > > > I think there are about 7 or 8 possible subjects that this virus produces. > My question is this.. how the heck do I set subject filters in outlook? From > what I can see is that outlook is designed for idiots and has no advanced > security features.. well That's not true but I don't know how to use them. I > saw txt file "filters.txt" and that looked like a config file because it had > Commands like > > > > Body contains "for free?" > > > > Or.. > > > > >From contains "profits@" > > > > These looks like nice little commands built right into a confg file BUT NO.. > I later found out filters.txt was useless and had no point or meaning or > valve.. outlook doest even open or load the file. Why is it there? Does > anyone on this list know how the heck to filter stuff correctly? This would > help me a lot, I use this email account for all my hl mod stuff, its how I > communicate with my team > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] About outlook (NOT half-life related)
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] This is an Emergency! Some idiot with my email got that stupid virus going around so now he sends me 500 emails a day with spoofed addresses also from his computer. The good news is they all have the same subject: Re: That movie Re: Your application Re: Thank you! Re: Details Re: Re: MY details Re: Your details Re: Details Re: Wicked screensaver Etc. I think there are about 7 or 8 possible subjects that this virus produces. My question is this.. how the heck do I set subject filters in outlook? From what I can see is that outlook is designed for idiots and has no advanced security features.. well That's not true but I don't know how to use them. I saw txt file "filters.txt" and that looked like a config file because it had Commands like Body contains "for free?" Or.. >From contains "profits@" These looks like nice little commands built right into a confg file BUT NO.. I later found out filters.txt was useless and had no point or meaning or valve.. outlook doest even open or load the file. Why is it there? Does anyone on this list know how the heck to filter stuff correctly? This would help me a lot, I use this email account for all my hl mod stuff, its how I communicate with my team -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
