Re: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
This is suppost to simple be a coders' list, but because of recent events valve hasn't been posting answers to usual questions so the list has turned to some stupid discussions :-/ -sb Marco Leise wrote: This is just normal in a forum. I wouldn't give it too much. HL coding issues are still discussed, there is just more discussion about moral at the moment. And I don't think this is bad. (Almost) everyone here codes and hacking, cracking, 'lending sourcecode' when it is Half-Life is *big* news for the people on this list. It's only natural that a big discussion arouse. But if someone has a serious question I think it has priority for everyone here (right? :]). What I don't know is how full your mail box is already with 'spam' and I know how annoying unwanted mail can be. (A week ago I had my 20MB mail account full after a day from two lame coded 140/150 KB worms, until I created a looong filter for all their 'subjects') Marco Am Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:05:02 -0500 hat Jeffrey "botman" Broome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> geschrieben: Charlie Cleveland wrote: Keep in mind this is supposed to be a mailing list for people who WANT to code for Half-life, not a place to get up on your high-horse and preach, or a place to nitpick hacker definitions. Let's get back on topic please. Yeah, good luck with that suggestion! ;) -- Jeffrey "botman" Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
This is just normal in a forum. I wouldn't give it too much. HL coding issues are still discussed, there is just more discussion about moral at the moment. And I don't think this is bad. (Almost) everyone here codes and hacking, cracking, 'lending sourcecode' when it is Half-Life is *big* news for the people on this list. It's only natural that a big discussion arouse. But if someone has a serious question I think it has priority for everyone here (right? :]). What I don't know is how full your mail box is already with 'spam' and I know how annoying unwanted mail can be. (A week ago I had my 20MB mail account full after a day from two lame coded 140/150 KB worms, until I created a looong filter for all their 'subjects') Marco Am Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:05:02 -0500 hat Jeffrey "botman" Broome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> geschrieben: Charlie Cleveland wrote: Keep in mind this is supposed to be a mailing list for people who WANT to code for Half-life, not a place to get up on your high-horse and preach, or a place to nitpick hacker definitions. Let's get back on topic please. Yeah, good luck with that suggestion! ;) -- Jeffrey "botman" Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
Charlie Cleveland wrote: Keep in mind this is supposed to be a mailing list for people who WANT to code for Half-life, not a place to get up on your high-horse and preach, or a place to nitpick hacker definitions. Let's get back on topic please. Yeah, good luck with that suggestion! ;) -- Jeffrey "botman" Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
Quoting Cale 'Mazor' Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I still go by the 'true' definition of a hacker. The name has lost the > respect it deserves and I try to keep it alive. I agree. Some people should see - http://jargon.watson-net.com/jargon.asp?w=hacker and http://jargon.watson-net.com/jargon.asp?w=cracker -Philip ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
I still go by the 'true' definition of a hacker. The name has lost the respect it deserves and I try to keep it alive. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manip Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community Actually, the definition of 'hacker' has changed and is generally accepted as 'hacker' or 'cracker' and now most of the time a really good coder isn't known as a 'hacker' ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
Hollywood's interpretation of hacker, is actually the definition of a cracker. The only people that see the hacker definition as 'changed', are the people that assumed a hacker was infact a cracker in the first place. -Original Message- From: Manip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2003 09:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community Actually, the definition of 'hacker' has changed and is generally accepted as 'hacker' or 'cracker' and now most of the time a really good coder isn't known as a 'hacker' ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders *** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The registered office of Littlewoods Limited and its subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Limited is 262152. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
Actually, the definition of 'hacker' has changed and is generally accepted as 'hacker' or 'cracker' and now most of the time a really good coder isn't known as a 'hacker' ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
Firstly, I would encourage you to get your definition of 'hacker' correct before you start shaking your finger at them. > I think Valve is triing to become the next Microsoft. The Steam tools > is crappy, and damage users gameplay with delays and failures, and > restrict singleplayer ability. Its the first step of a highly > dangerous technology to damage freedom: DRM. How have they done any of that? That is just your personal experience. It hasn't changed the way that authentication is done, it hasn't introduced any new DRM, it hasn't restricted anything that you couldn't do before. All it is, is a new way to deliver Valve's content, authenticate to the servers (which were WON until Steam) and update the games. > Valve as work dirty in the past. Unable Quake1 developpers to use > both tools and some media into Quake1. When you take the Q1 engine, mix in stuff from Q2 and your own custom modifications, I'd love to see you do anything like backwards compatability with Q1. Valve licensed the Q1 engine fair and square and had no obligation, need or want to make it backwards compatable. > Abducting good mods inside > (like Counter-Strike). Valve overload the market with his product, > that unable oportunitys for other developers. Valve write nazi > Licenses. Abducting? I'm assuming that gooseman agreed to having his MOD commercialised, otherwise Valve faces some serious charges. And where are these nazi licenses, valve are incredibly nice with their MOD licenses. > If you think now the target is Valve. Please re-think. Its not cool to > fuck a lot of people that where triing to get his fun from this. And > Its not cool to fuck people doing fun games for all of us. If you have > fun hacking, download Uplink game. Might want to address that one to the CRACKER community. -Philip ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
I actually think that to a degree the DRM present in Steam and HL2 is actually an improvement on what we get currently. For a start, Steam allows me to access a copy of HL2 from anywhere that has an internet connection, and I can instantly start downloading it if it's a broadband connection. And there's still the option to use the game CD to prove that you own the game like we always have. And with any luck Valve should release the offline play Steam patch soon... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tei Sent: 09 October 2003 20:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community I think Valve is triing to become the next Microsoft. The Steam tools is crappy, and damage users gameplay with delays and failures, and restrict singleplayer ability. Its the first step of a highly dangerous technology to damage freedom: DRM. Valve as work dirty in the past. Unable Quake1 developpers to use both tools and some media into Quake1. Abducting good mods inside (like Counter-Strike). Valve overload the market with his product, that unable oportunitys for other developers. Valve write nazi Licenses. So.. I understand people that may *HATE* Valve. I not hate Valve. Valve is a enterprise that make good games. Half-Life was a very fun and good game. Valve provide nice SDK for modders to work from a clean start, and update the engine to mantain the community alive. Respect. Respect to the impresive good work Valve as do in the past, and is actually doing. Respect to the giganteous community around some hl based mods, like DOD, TFC and CS. Respect, consult your dictionary. If you think now the target is Valve. Please re-think. Its not cool to fuck a lot of people that where triing to get his fun from this. And Its not cool to fuck people doing fun games for all of us. If you have fun hacking, download Uplink game. If you want to fight DRM, send slow letters to your Congressman. Query him publically. If you want you piece of pie, *make better games*. Let other people have his fun with Valve. -Tei pd: my english is crap. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
