RE: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
http://whatismyip.com Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of real rebel Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join > I see: > > 69.68.32.29:10180 *REAL*Clan Server > > Is this you? The ip does not match what you have > posted. I wonder if you > meant to post 192.168.1.2, which tells me you have > posted your internal > address, not the external address provided by your > ISP. Yep thats me and your correct , I need a better connect for sure I'm working on it. a few peaople joined so some can see it thanks, again Reb __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] DoD
My guess is that you have the automatic update enabled on the box and it's rebooting from an update or a program you have scheduled. Check your Tasks, I'm sure you'll find something scheduled for 3AM. RaynServ Game Hosting http://servers.raynserv.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD Works for me :-) Win32 OP4 hlds running on Slackware 10 via Wine is absolutely rock solid stable. My Win2000 box has taken to rebooting at 3am, driving me nuts as I don't know what is causing it. My linux box has never crashed - not once. - Original Message - From: "Whisper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > Run WINE then Run the Windows HLDS, then you get the best of both worlds! > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:42:29 -0600, jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My first suggestion: run windows. You'll see a huge improvement. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:53 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > > > > > > #1 Tue Apr 13 18:04:23 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > > > > > 2.4.20-31.9 > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Kerry Dorsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > >>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > >>-- > > > >>What kernel version are you using ? > > > >> > > > >>Ransom > > > >> > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tony > > > >> Sent: Wed 10/11/2004 09:31 > > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> Cc: > > > >> Subject: [hlds] DoD > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > >> -- > > > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > >> > > > >> Can anyone offer any advice on Running DoD > > > >> > > > >> Server is 24 player hosted 2.8GHz P4 with 1024 DDR 3200 > > > running Linux > > > >> RH9 all is great till 20 players are on the server then CPU flys > > > >> through the roof, I'va not had much dealing with DoD, I > > > beleave it is > > > >> a tad haevy on CPU but it's runs fine untill server get > > > nearly full > > > >> any info would be a great help > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ___ > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >> archives, please visit: > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >>[ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] > > > >>-- > > > >> > > > >>___ > > > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > > list archives, > > > >>please visit: > > > >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > > > >> > > > > It would probably help you more to post this in the > > > HLDS-Linux list... > > > > ;) http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > Otherwise, post your network specs and netcode settings > > > too. Are you > > > > using any form of pingboost? Any other server slots on this machine? > > > > > > > > Kerry "Boogieman" Dorsey > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > > list archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
> I see: > > 69.68.32.29:10180 *REAL*Clan Server > > Is this you? The ip does not match what you have > posted. I wonder if you > meant to post 192.168.1.2, which tells me you have > posted your internal > address, not the external address provided by your > ISP. Yep thats me and your correct , I need a better connect for sure I'm working on it. a few peaople joined so some can see it thanks, again Reb __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD
Works for me :-) Win32 OP4 hlds running on Slackware 10 via Wine is absolutely rock solid stable. My Win2000 box has taken to rebooting at 3am, driving me nuts as I don't know what is causing it. My linux box has never crashed - not once. - Original Message - From: "Whisper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > Run WINE then Run the Windows HLDS, then you get the best of both worlds! > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:42:29 -0600, jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My first suggestion: run windows. You'll see a huge improvement. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:53 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > > > > > > #1 Tue Apr 13 18:04:23 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > > > > > 2.4.20-31.9 > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Kerry Dorsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > >>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > >>-- > > > >>What kernel version are you using ? > > > >> > > > >>Ransom > > > >> > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tony > > > >> Sent: Wed 10/11/2004 09:31 > > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> Cc: > > > >> Subject: [hlds] DoD > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > >> -- > > > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > >> > > > >> Can anyone offer any advice on Running DoD > > > >> > > > >> Server is 24 player hosted 2.8GHz P4 with 1024 DDR 3200 > > > running Linux > > > >> RH9 all is great till 20 players are on the server then CPU flys > > > >> through the roof, I'va not had much dealing with DoD, I > > > beleave it is > > > >> a tad haevy on CPU but it's runs fine untill server get > > > nearly full > > > >> any info would be a great help > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ___ > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >> archives, please visit: > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >>[ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] > > > >>-- > > > >> > > > >>___ > > > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > > list archives, > > > >>please visit: > > > >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > > > >> > > > > It would probably help you more to post this in the > > > HLDS-Linux list... > > > > ;) http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > Otherwise, post your network specs and netcode settings > > > too. Are you > > > > using any form of pingboost? Any other server slots on this machine? > > > > > > > > Kerry "Boogieman" Dorsey > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > > list archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
> > > thanks for the info , im trying to get it working now > > the server is up and running ip is as follows > > 92.168.1.2:27015 REAL clan park server > > thanks for your time and the help its appreciated > > Reb > > > I see: 69.68.32.29:10180 *REAL*Clan Server Is this you? The ip does not match what you have posted. I wonder if you meant to post 192.168.1.2, which tells me you have posted your internal address, not the external address provided by your ISP. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD
Run WINE then Run the Windows HLDS, then you get the best of both worlds! On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:42:29 -0600, jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My first suggestion: run windows. You'll see a huge improvement. > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:53 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > > > > #1 Tue Apr 13 18:04:23 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > > > 2.4.20-31.9 > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kerry Dorsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > >>-- > > >>What kernel version are you using ? > > >> > > >>Ransom > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tony > > >> Sent: Wed 10/11/2004 09:31 > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Cc: > > >> Subject: [hlds] DoD > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > >> -- > > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > >> > > >> Can anyone offer any advice on Running DoD > > >> > > >> Server is 24 player hosted 2.8GHz P4 with 1024 DDR 3200 > > running Linux > > >> RH9 all is great till 20 players are on the server then CPU flys > > >> through the roof, I'va not had much dealing with DoD, I > > beleave it is > > >> a tad haevy on CPU but it's runs fine untill server get > > nearly full > > >> any info would be a great help > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >> archives, please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>-- > > >>[ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] > > >>-- > > >> > > >>___ > > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > list archives, > > >>please visit: > > >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> > > > It would probably help you more to post this in the > > HLDS-Linux list... > > > ;) http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > Otherwise, post your network specs and netcode settings > > too. Are you > > > using any form of pingboost? Any other server slots on this machine? > > > > > > Kerry "Boogieman" Dorsey > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement.
At 04:14 PM 11/10/2004, OoksServer wrote: I'm ready to fork out the bucks for a good Cisco. The irritation factor is such that it's becoming worth $600-$800 for a good SOHO cisco router. I need it for a low traffic home office - a web server, a Until URU server, two half-life servers, mama reads email, etc. I just need some friggin' quality, fer cryin' out loud! My setup: T1 connection into Cisco 2524 from eBay $300-400 (have started using a 1720 with ACLs) into Dell OptiPlex GX1 (P2 350mHz) $75 from eBay + extra NIC $10 This machine runs a FreeBSD IPLess Bridging Firewall into Cisco 2924 Switch from eBay $300-400 (I have actually bought a couple of these off eBay) I have about 50 computers running on this connection. So my advice? Check out eBay ... --- 24/7 Dedicated Half-Life Counter-Strike Server. FreeBSD 4.8, P4 2.4, 512M, 40G IDE, T1 connection. Check out the web site @ http://cs.wombatsweb.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement.
- Original Message - From: "OoksServer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement. > > > > Any thoughts on the Linksys *BEFSR41? It seems to have got a lot of > > good reviews, I only need to connect two PCs and a wireless hub to it > > and the traffic is only high when I push large or lots of work related > > files around. The delight of a small home office :) > > > > Stephen > > I used to have one. It came off of the shelf defective. Either that, or the > firmware was buggy. In retrospect, I now believe it was the firmware that > was crap, and not the unit itself. Some of the guys I worked with had the > same model, and all of use had problems with it rebooting itself on a > regular basis. > > The number of ports you can forward is limited, and you can't assign IPs to > specific mac addresses. The reason I bought my Linksys is that by using > sveasoft or similar firmware, you can have these and many more features. > > This seems to be a common problem. Netgear released a firmware a few months > ago that caused regular reboots, and dLink released a firmware that caused > reboots every 5-10 minutes. This isn't rocket science - why can't they get > their act together with the firmware? My Cisco never rebooted - it ran 24/7 > for months and months. > I might mention, that I'm so sick of these low end crap routers that can't run a week without rebooting or that have weird issues or limited functionality, that I'm ready to fork out the bucks for a good Cisco. The irritation factor is such that it's becoming worth $600-$800 for a good SOHO cisco router. I need it for a low traffic home office - a web server, a Until URU server, two half-life servers, mama reads email, etc. I just need some friggin' quality, fer cryin' out loud! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement.
> heh heh Cisco I wish. > > Any thoughts on the Linksys *BEFSR41? It seems to have got a lot of > good reviews, I only need to connect two PCs and a wireless hub to it > and the traffic is only high when I push large or lots of work related > files around. The delight of a small home office :) > > Stephen > I might also add that if they have the firmware in good shape these days, then this model will work very well. But, you can get the wireless model for like $60-$70 or less, I'd go for the wireless G router. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement.
> Any thoughts on the Linksys *BEFSR41? It seems to have got a lot of > good reviews, I only need to connect two PCs and a wireless hub to it > and the traffic is only high when I push large or lots of work related > files around. The delight of a small home office :) > > Stephen I used to have one. It came off of the shelf defective. Either that, or the firmware was buggy. In retrospect, I now believe it was the firmware that was crap, and not the unit itself. Some of the guys I worked with had the same model, and all of use had problems with it rebooting itself on a regular basis. The number of ports you can forward is limited, and you can't assign IPs to specific mac addresses. The reason I bought my Linksys is that by using sveasoft or similar firmware, you can have these and many more features. This seems to be a common problem. Netgear released a firmware a few months ago that caused regular reboots, and dLink released a firmware that caused reboots every 5-10 minutes. This isn't rocket science - why can't they get their act together with the firmware? My Cisco never rebooted - it ran 24/7 for months and months. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Source Engine Scripting Guide
it will be usefull for some but useless for those that know how to use the command cvarlist correctly. On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:35:34 -0500, Jason Weisberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All, > > Anybody want to tell me whether this document will be useful or if it's > a complete pile of junk? > > http://cs.jbdubbs.com/pn/modules.php?op=modload&name=PostWrap&file=index&page=http://www.csrev.com/scripting/sourcescripting.html > > Jason Weisberger > http://www.csrev.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement.
> Any thoughts on the Linksys *BEFSR41? It seems to have got a lot of > good reviews, I only need to connect two PCs and a wireless hub to it > and the traffic is only high when I push large or lots of work related > files around. The delight of a small home office :) > > Stephen I have a BEFSR81 version 2 and it has worked pretty good for me, though the last firmware update for it caused me much grief such as intermittent connectivity so I had to downgrade to the previous firmware I had before. The latest release of the BEFSR81 is version 3. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] DoD
My first suggestion: run windows. You'll see a huge improvement. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > > #1 Tue Apr 13 18:04:23 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > 2.4.20-31.9 > > - Original Message - > From: "Kerry Dorsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >>-- > >>What kernel version are you using ? > >> > >>Ransom > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tony > >> Sent: Wed 10/11/2004 09:31 > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Cc: > >> Subject: [hlds] DoD > >> > >> > >> > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >> -- > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >> > >> Can anyone offer any advice on Running DoD > >> > >> Server is 24 player hosted 2.8GHz P4 with 1024 DDR 3200 > running Linux > >> RH9 all is great till 20 players are on the server then CPU flys > >> through the roof, I'va not had much dealing with DoD, I > beleave it is > >> a tad haevy on CPU but it's runs fine untill server get > nearly full > >> any info would be a great help > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>[ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] > >>-- > >> > >>___ > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > >>please visit: > >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > > It would probably help you more to post this in the > HLDS-Linux list... > > ;) http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > Otherwise, post your network specs and netcode settings > too. Are you > > using any form of pingboost? Any other server slots on this machine? > > > > Kerry "Boogieman" Dorsey > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
scott wrote: hey m0gely, Just what exactly was the extra nat rule you applied? quote from m0gely, "Thanks to a couple people on the linux list I only had to add an extra NAT rule to force the port to remain static. Problem solved." Before my normal NAT rule I have this: nat on $ext proto udp from 192.168.0.5 port 27015 to any -> \ ($ext) static-port Ref: http://openbsd.org/faq/pf/nat.html static-port Tells PF not to translate the source port in TCP and UDP packets. It's the 'static-port' tag on the end that is the trick. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
hey m0gely, Just what exactly was the extra nat rule you applied? quote from m0gely, "Thanks to a couple people on the linux list I only had to add an extra NAT rule to force the port to remain static. Problem solved." - Original Message - From: "m0gely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join > OoksServer wrote: > > > 5) Don't go opening a whole bunch of ports. The only incoming port you need > > is 27015 (or the port you specified for your server). All other ports are > > outgoing ports and are psuedo-random by hlds and will be assigned by your > > router. > > I would like to add to this. I use an OpenBSD box for my home > firewall/gateway. In my case the server was using port 27015 on the > internal IP. I had a NAT rule to forward that port on the external IP > to the internal IP. Now, that would seem to be all I needed to do, but > it wasn't showing up on the list. However the server could be joined by > manually connecting to my ext_IP:27015. > > The problem was OpenBSD was seeing my server send out the info on portThanks to a couple people on the linux list I only had > to add an extra NAT rule to force the port to remain static. Problem > solved. > 27015 to the master servers but it was randomizing the port. So the > master list got some wacked out port number not 27015 and thus ignored > it (my guess). > > But I have no idea how you would check to see if a little SOHO NAT box > like one from Linksys or Netgear is also doing that. With a shell I > have commands I can run to see what's going on. > > -- > - m0gely > http://quake2.telestream.com/ > Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement.
OoksServer wrote: - Original Message - From: "Stephen Moretti (blueyonder)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "HLDS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement. 1) Tell us which router you have. I used a Belkin router and could never get it to work. Belkin tech support was worthless, and I never got it to work. I got rid of the router, problem went away. Complete aside I was messing with my belkin pile of plastic junk again today, forwarding ports for web, ftp and mysql, so that I can share some dev work with a remote colleague. Anyway, I spotted a trend. The items that are in the "virtual server" list all work exactly as they are supposed to (ftp/www), but set up your own custom one (mysql), then it has no interest in working properly! This has ticked me off for long enough, so any suggestions for a sensibly priced replacement for a belkin F5D5231-4?? TIA Stephen I'm using a Linksys WRT54G. I'm using firmware from sveasoft, but it has some serious DHCP issues, so I'm still looking for a reliable firmware. The one supplied from Linksys is pretty lame. Netgear is good feature wise, but they have a limited nat table, which can cause problems on high traffic/volume servers. Netgears latest firmware causes regular reboots and is not very reliable (unless they fixed it - again). Cisco is the only way to go - I *never* had any problems with my Cisco. heh heh Cisco I wish. Any thoughts on the Linksys *BEFSR41? It seems to have got a lot of good reviews, I only need to connect two PCs and a wireless hub to it and the traffic is only high when I push large or lots of work related files around. The delight of a small home office :) Stephen * ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Hey disregaurd the last mail from me..when I went to reply to rebel it had your addy and didn't catch it in time :) have a good one OFC_Batrayal >From: real rebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:16:27 -0800 (PST) > >not using a router and have turned off my firewall for >now till i figure this out. > >heres my start up log, could region be the reason I am >not on the steam server list? > >hL 11/11/2004 - 12:05:41: Server cvar "sv_aim" = "0" >couldn't exec listip.cfg >couldn't exec banned.cfg >Adding master server 69.28.151.178:27010 >Adding master server 207.173.177.11:27010 >L 11/11/2004 - 12:05:41: Server cvar "sv_region" = >"255" >Adding auth server 65.73.232.253:27040 > > >thanks for your time >Reb > > > > >__ >Do you Yahoo!? >Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. >www.yahoo.com > > > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSN Premium: [1] Join now and get the first two months FREE* ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENCA/2734??PS=47575 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] UMMM! I was in there damn it and was disconnected because it sadi server shut down :( get back on and I will play with ya :) >From: real rebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:16:27 -0800 (PST) > >not using a router and have turned off my firewall for >now till i figure this out. > >heres my start up log, could region be the reason I am >not on the steam server list? > >hL 11/11/2004 - 12:05:41: Server cvar "sv_aim" = "0" >couldn't exec listip.cfg >couldn't exec banned.cfg >Adding master server 69.28.151.178:27010 >Adding master server 207.173.177.11:27010 >L 11/11/2004 - 12:05:41: Server cvar "sv_region" = >"255" >Adding auth server 65.73.232.253:27040 > > >thanks for your time >Reb > > > > >__ >Do you Yahoo!? >Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. >www.yahoo.com > > > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSN Premium: [1] Join now and get the first two months FREE* ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENCA/2734??PS=47575 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
OoksServer wrote: 5) Don't go opening a whole bunch of ports. The only incoming port you need is 27015 (or the port you specified for your server). All other ports are outgoing ports and are psuedo-random by hlds and will be assigned by your router. I would like to add to this. I use an OpenBSD box for my home firewall/gateway. In my case the server was using port 27015 on the internal IP. I had a NAT rule to forward that port on the external IP to the internal IP. Now, that would seem to be all I needed to do, but it wasn't showing up on the list. However the server could be joined by manually connecting to my ext_IP:27015. The problem was OpenBSD was seeing my server send out the info on port 27015 to the master servers but it was randomizing the port. So the master list got some wacked out port number not 27015 and thus ignored it (my guess). Thanks to a couple people on the linux list I only had to add an extra NAT rule to force the port to remain static. Problem solved. But I have no idea how you would check to see if a little SOHO NAT box like one from Linksys or Netgear is also doing that. With a shell I have commands I can run to see what's going on. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
:-) - Original Message - From: "Mike Munoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join > Nicely done Ooks... Too bad we cant setup an auto responder to that question > and have this come back as the reply :) > > Mike ParaDOX Munoz > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join > > I went through this a few times, as have others here. Do the following: > > 1) Tell us which router you have. I used a Belkin router and could never get > it to work. Belkin tech support was worthless, and I never got it to work. I > got rid of the router, problem went away. > 2) Make sure there is no firewall or other device running that prevents > outgoing ports from being opened. Many routers have a firewall that defaults > to on that will cause your server to not be in the list. Turn it off, or set > it to allow outgoing ports to be opened and stay open. > 3) Make sure to run hldsupdatetool, as an out of date hlds installation will > prevent the server from being visible. > 4) Post your server name and IP so we can take a look at it from the outside > world. > 5) Don't go opening a whole bunch of ports. The only incoming port you need > is 27015 (or the port you specified for your server). All other ports are > outgoing ports and are psuedo-random by hlds and will be assigned by your > router. > > - Original Message - > From: "real rebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:12 PM > Subject: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join > > > > I'm new to starting my own HLDS server but read just about everything > > I can find > > > > can someone help me out , I am setting up an opposing force dedicated > > server have created a user account and updated everything , I can run > > the server and log into it with no errors but no one can see me on the > > server list for steam. > > > > thanks > > reb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
I don't see anything wrong with this, the "Adding master server" is a very good sign because it means your server is reaching out to the real world. I can't ping it or try to join until tonight, I'm sure someone else will comment before then, but I'll ping it tonight anyhow. - Original Message - From: "real rebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join > not using a router and have turned off my firewall for > now till i figure this out. > > heres my start up log, could region be the reason I am > not on the steam server list? > > hL 11/11/2004 - 12:05:41: Server cvar "sv_aim" = "0" > couldn't exec listip.cfg > couldn't exec banned.cfg > Adding master server 69.28.151.178:27010 > Adding master server 207.173.177.11:27010 > L 11/11/2004 - 12:05:41: Server cvar "sv_region" = > "255" > Adding auth server 65.73.232.253:27040 > > > thanks for your time > Reb > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement.
- Original Message - From: "Stephen Moretti (blueyonder)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "HLDS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: [hlds] OT: Belkin replacement. > > > > > >1) Tell us which router you have. I used a Belkin router and could never get > >it to work. Belkin tech support was worthless, and I never got it to work. I > >got rid of the router, problem went away. > > > > Complete aside > > I was messing with my belkin pile of plastic junk again today, > forwarding ports for web, ftp and mysql, so that I can share some dev > work with a remote colleague. Anyway, I spotted a trend. The items > that are in the "virtual server" list all work exactly as they are > supposed to (ftp/www), but set up your own custom one (mysql), then it > has no interest in working properly! > > This has ticked me off for long enough, so any suggestions for a > sensibly priced replacement for a belkin F5D5231-4?? > > TIA > > Stephen I'm using a Linksys WRT54G. I'm using firmware from sveasoft, but it has some serious DHCP issues, so I'm still looking for a reliable firmware. The one supplied from Linksys is pretty lame. Netgear is good feature wise, but they have a limited nat table, which can cause problems on high traffic/volume servers. Netgears latest firmware causes regular reboots and is not very reliable (unless they fixed it - again). Cisco is the only way to go - I *never* had any problems with my Cisco. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] OT: Belkin replacement.
1) Tell us which router you have. I used a Belkin router and could never get it to work. Belkin tech support was worthless, and I never got it to work. I got rid of the router, problem went away. Complete aside I was messing with my belkin pile of plastic junk again today, forwarding ports for web, ftp and mysql, so that I can share some dev work with a remote colleague. Anyway, I spotted a trend. The items that are in the "virtual server" list all work exactly as they are supposed to (ftp/www), but set up your own custom one (mysql), then it has no interest in working properly! This has ticked me off for long enough, so any suggestions for a sensibly priced replacement for a belkin F5D5231-4?? TIA Stephen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
not using a router and have turned off my firewall for now till i figure this out. heres my start up log, could region be the reason I am not on the steam server list? hL 11/11/2004 - 12:05:41: Server cvar "sv_aim" = "0" couldn't exec listip.cfg couldn't exec banned.cfg Adding master server 69.28.151.178:27010 Adding master server 207.173.177.11:27010 L 11/11/2004 - 12:05:41: Server cvar "sv_region" = "255" Adding auth server 65.73.232.253:27040 thanks for your time Reb __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
--- OoksServer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I went through this a few times, as have others > here. Do the following: > > 1) Tell us which router you have. I used a Belkin > router and could never get > it to work. Belkin tech support was worthless, and I > never got it to work. I > got rid of the router, problem went away. > 2) Make sure there is no firewall or other device > running that prevents > outgoing ports from being opened. Many routers have > a firewall that defaults > to on that will cause your server to not be in the > list. Turn it off, or set > it to allow outgoing ports to be opened and stay > open. > 3) Make sure to run hldsupdatetool, as an out of > date hlds installation will > prevent the server from being visible. > 4) Post your server name and IP so we can take a > look at it from the outside > world. > 5) Don't go opening a whole bunch of ports. The only > incoming port you need > is 27015 (or the port you specified for your > server). All other ports are > outgoing ports and are psuedo-random by hlds and > will be assigned by your > router. > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > thanks for the info , im trying to get it working now the server is up and running ip is as follows 92.168.1.2:27015 REAL clan park server thanks for your time and the help its appreciated Reb __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
Nicely done Ooks... Too bad we cant setup an auto responder to that question and have this come back as the reply :) Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OoksServer Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join I went through this a few times, as have others here. Do the following: 1) Tell us which router you have. I used a Belkin router and could never get it to work. Belkin tech support was worthless, and I never got it to work. I got rid of the router, problem went away. 2) Make sure there is no firewall or other device running that prevents outgoing ports from being opened. Many routers have a firewall that defaults to on that will cause your server to not be in the list. Turn it off, or set it to allow outgoing ports to be opened and stay open. 3) Make sure to run hldsupdatetool, as an out of date hlds installation will prevent the server from being visible. 4) Post your server name and IP so we can take a look at it from the outside world. 5) Don't go opening a whole bunch of ports. The only incoming port you need is 27015 (or the port you specified for your server). All other ports are outgoing ports and are psuedo-random by hlds and will be assigned by your router. - Original Message - From: "real rebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join > I'm new to starting my own HLDS server but read just about everything > I can find > > can someone help me out , I am setting up an opposing force dedicated > server have created a user account and updated everything , I can run > the server and log into it with no errors but no one can see me on the > server list for steam. > > thanks > reb > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join
I went through this a few times, as have others here. Do the following: 1) Tell us which router you have. I used a Belkin router and could never get it to work. Belkin tech support was worthless, and I never got it to work. I got rid of the router, problem went away. 2) Make sure there is no firewall or other device running that prevents outgoing ports from being opened. Many routers have a firewall that defaults to on that will cause your server to not be in the list. Turn it off, or set it to allow outgoing ports to be opened and stay open. 3) Make sure to run hldsupdatetool, as an out of date hlds installation will prevent the server from being visible. 4) Post your server name and IP so we can take a look at it from the outside world. 5) Don't go opening a whole bunch of ports. The only incoming port you need is 27015 (or the port you specified for your server). All other ports are outgoing ports and are psuedo-random by hlds and will be assigned by your router. - Original Message - From: "real rebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: [hlds] server showing up in steam for others to join > I'm new to starting my own HLDS server but read just > about everything I can find > > can someone help me out , I am setting up an opposing > force dedicated server have created a user account and > updated everything , I can run the server and log > into it with no errors but no one can see me on the > server list for steam. > > thanks > reb > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD
#1 Tue Apr 13 18:04:23 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux 2.4.20-31.9 - Original Message - From: "Kerry Dorsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- What kernel version are you using ? Ransom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tony Sent: Wed 10/11/2004 09:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [hlds] DoD This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Can anyone offer any advice on Running DoD Server is 24 player hosted 2.8GHz P4 with 1024 DDR 3200 running Linux RH9 all is great till 20 players are on the server then CPU flys through the roof, I'va not had much dealing with DoD, I beleave it is a tad haevy on CPU but it's runs fine untill server get nearly full any info would be a great help -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds It would probably help you more to post this in the HLDS-Linux list... ;) http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Otherwise, post your network specs and netcode settings too. Are you using any form of pingboost? Any other server slots on this machine? Kerry "Boogieman" Dorsey ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- What kernel version are you using ? Ransom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tony Sent: Wed 10/11/2004 09:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [hlds] DoD This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Can anyone offer any advice on Running DoD Server is 24 player hosted 2.8GHz P4 with 1024 DDR 3200 running Linux RH9 all is great till 20 players are on the server then CPU flys through the roof, I'va not had much dealing with DoD, I beleave it is a tad haevy on CPU but it's runs fine untill server get nearly full any info would be a great help -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds It would probably help you more to post this in the HLDS-Linux list... ;) http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Otherwise, post your network specs and netcode settings too. Are you using any form of pingboost? Any other server slots on this machine? Kerry "Boogieman" Dorsey ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] DoD
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- What kernel version are you using ? Ransom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tony Sent: Wed 10/11/2004 09:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [hlds] DoD This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Can anyone offer any advice on Running DoD Server is 24 player hosted 2.8GHz P4 with 1024 DDR 3200 running Linux RH9 all is great till 20 players are on the server then CPU flys through the roof, I'va not had much dealing with DoD, I beleave it is a tad haevy on CPU but it's runs fine untill server get nearly full any info would be a great help -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] DoD
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Can anyone offer any advice on Running DoD Server is 24 player hosted 2.8GHz P4 with 1024 DDR 3200 running Linux RH9 all is great till 20 players are on the server then CPU flys through the roof, I'va not had much dealing with DoD, I beleave it is a tad haevy on CPU but it's runs fine untill server get nearly full any info would be a great help -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
