[hlds] How do i start my server?
Hello. I have downloaded the lastest server for "counter-strike source". I installed it to this directory: "C:\My css server" Now, i don't know how to start the server. Can you help me please. _ Chatt: Träffa nya nätkompisar på Habbo Hotel http://habbohotel.msn.se/habbo/sv/channelizer ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] (no subject)
Hello. I have downloaded the lastest server for "counter-strike source". I installed it to this directory: "C:\My css server" Now, i don't know how to luanch the server. Can you help me please. _ Lättare att hitta drömresan med MSN Resor http://www.msn.se/resor/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
Checking my web server, I'm not showing anyone recently downloading the banner.gif from my fast http website. Unfortunately, my webserver logs were only being kept for one day (fixed now) so I can't look back for when the last file was fetched, but if someone else happens to have web access logs that they can check then the info we need will be there. - Original Message - From: "Steve!" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working Does anyone remember actually WHEN this stopped working? I remember it getting mentioned on here, and assumed it was a planned thing... I've been mailed off list there by valve, suggesting that it wasn't planned, perhaps an approximate date might help Valve figure out where it went wrong. I have a machine with mails going back to 2004 on this list still I think, I'll check that tomorrow. Steve! - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working HL1 has an in game banner ad (as always), the Source engine has never had one. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Re: hlds digest, Vol 1 #4533 - 8 msgs
I'd think that his email address connected to this list and/or his IP would be enough to positively identify him. He knows that Valve had a legitimate reason for disabling his account, he's just crying. Also, as for the lawsuit mentioned -- the steam agreement basically states that Valve can terminate/disable accounts at any time, for no reason. Valve probably wouldn't even need a lawyer :P > True. They must've been able to positively identify that he was the account > owner. The idea that it was disabled because of opinions that were posted > on this list is as stupid as offering your account for sale through a valve > monitored medium ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
Does anyone remember actually WHEN this stopped working? I remember it getting mentioned on here, and assumed it was a planned thing... I've been mailed off list there by valve, suggesting that it wasn't planned, perhaps an approximate date might help Valve figure out where it went wrong. I have a machine with mails going back to 2004 on this list still I think, I'll check that tomorrow. Steve! www.timerider.co.uk - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working HL1 has an in game banner ad (as always), the Source engine has never had one. - Alfred wrote: Yes I remember that article and I wonder if it is the same reasoning behind this. If it was, then, you could say that maps only allowed by Valve are allowed? Bye bye custom maps? I think we just need to know WHERE and WHY the line was drawn in the sand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working I wonder if this has anything to do with the advertising firm placing Subway ads in some servers. Link to article in case you missed it: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/subway-cs.ars -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were advertising porn with them. Why is it needed? ---Original Message--- From: Daniel Morris Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] damn, i really really need this does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/295 - Release Date: 28/03/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: *** Spam *** RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working
-- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I know it used to work. I ran the OT servers & noticed it stop working months ago. I think sometime last year they stopped working. I was just asking if you honestly thought they would do that. No harm done. ---Original Message--- From: [DMA]RocketUSA Date: 03/29/06 19:48:49 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: *** Spam *** RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working DLI was just giving an example to throw out there. But my server is an HL1:CS server and as I said before, it used to work. -- [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: *** Spam *** RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working
DLI was just giving an example to throw out there. But my server is an HL1:CS server and as I said before, it used to work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DL Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:08 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: *** Spam *** RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Do you honestly think Valve would disallow any custom maps thereby killing any online game they make unless they make their own version of every custom map out there? I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt Valve would disallow any custom maps. ---Original Message--- From: [DMA]RocketUSA Date: 03/29/06 16:56:51 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working Yes I remember that article and I wonder if it is the same reasoning behind this. If it was, then, you could say that maps only allowed by Valve are allowed? Bye bye custom maps? I think we just need to know WHERE and WHY the line was drawn in the sand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working I wonder if this has anything to do with the advertising firm placing Subway ads in some servers. Link to article in case you missed it: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/subway-cs.ars > -- > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were advertising > porn with them. > Why is it needed? > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Daniel Morris > Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > damn, i really really need this > > does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- > [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] (secure mode enabled, disconnected from Steam3)
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] version : 1.0.0.27/7 2672 insecure (secure mode enabled, disconnected from Steam3) i'm still getting this problem when everybody else seems to have it solved...windows box running multiple serversupdated yesterday...i really need help solving this as we appear to be the only one's who haven't had this resolved.. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed
You'll get no argument out of me that Windows is a worms dream come true... but I wouldn't put all my security eggs in a NAT basket. I'll agree that a Linksys performing NAT is better than nothing... but not a whole lot better. NAT is not intended to be a security layer although it will provide a certain amount just by performing it's intended function. Any port left open to provide access to services inside the NAT device, will provide a possible way in. You should always run multiple layers of security and above all... close all ports and shut down all services you don't absolutely need. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:00 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed NAT by default will not forward incoming packets to ports that are not in the routing table. That is how it keeps nasties out. If the port is already open, then that is another story. So, when some nasty worm tries to come into some Microsoft service that is full of exploits, the packet comes into my router, the router searches the routing table and does not find any entries for the requested port. The router discards the packet. Want to find out how dangerous the Internet really is? Load Windows onto a computer with no firewall, no AV, no NAT (or put it into the DMZ). Unless your service provider blocks commonly exploited ports, the computer won't last 5 minutes. Worms that exploit unpatched microsoft services are everywhere and hammer firewalls and routers incessantly. I found this out the hard way when I reinsstalled XP SP2 onto my laptop and dialed into the Internet with no firewall or AV. Some worm hit me within 30 seconds, and I lost the entire contents of the laptop. I had to reformat to get rid of the worm because the removal tools were unable to repair all infected files. - Original Message - From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed > "I use a Linksys with NAT in > place of a firewall. Works for me. Keeps nasties out." > > How does NAT keep nasties out? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:53 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable > bu t not listed > > > Not me - the OP I think is the one with the WG. I use a Linksys with NAT > in > place of a firewall. Works for me. Keeps nasties out. Unlike a firewall, > it > does not keep nasties in, but so far nothing has gotten in. I run my web > and > ftp and p2p servers on a linux box that have no access to the rest of the > network - I have Samba setup to allow other clients to read the drives on > the Linux box, but nothing on the linux box can access drives on other > boxes. This gives another slight layer of security. My biggest risk is the > Linux box with a bunch of open ports. My HL server only has port 27015 > open. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Stuart Stegall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu > t > not listed > > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> I am going to still suggest that Ook should just return the WG and use >> his Linksys. There's just no need. >> >> >> Edward Luna wrote: >>> There is no reason that you can't run behind a WG firewall. I have two >>> separate Internet Connections and I use two WG firewalls. One is a >>> small >>> Soho and the other is a WG FireBox X500... both function perfectly. All >>> you >>> need do is configure them correctly and your server will be fine. >>> >>> I've already posted how to stop the WG700 from auto-blocking IP addy's. >>> Stick with the troubleshooting and we'll resolve your issue. >>> >>> The problem lies between the modem (please let me know which one) and >>> the >>> WatchGuard External Interface. If I can't ping your WG External >>> Interface >>> there can only be two reasons... 1.) you've disabled ping response or >>> 2.) >>> The modem is not passing the ping request to the WG external Interface. >>> >>> I've seen DSL modems setup to do all sorts of advanced things... >>> especially >>> Verizon DSL... even if you've subscribed for a static IP address, they >>> often >>> don't pass that IP thru to the connected device unless the pass thru >>> option >>> is selected. >>> >>> What modem are you using? >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Ook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:45 PM >>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable >>> but not listed >>> >>> >>> Get rid of the F
RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working
This functionality has been broken for some time... ehe banner.gif does not work. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Alfred Reynolds > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:04 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working > > HL1 has an in game banner ad (as always), the Source engine has never > had one. > > - Alfred > > wrote: > > Yes I remember that article and I wonder if it is the same reasoning > > behind > > this. If it was, then, you could say that maps only allowed by Valve > > are > > allowed? Bye bye custom maps? I think we just need to know WHERE and > > WHY the > > line was drawn in the sand. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:39 PM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working > > > > I wonder if this has anything to do with the advertising > firm placing > > Subway ads in some servers. Link to article in case you missed it: > > > > http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/subway-cs.ars > > > > > > > >> -- > >> -- > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >> Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were > >> advertising porn with them. Why is it needed? > >> > >> ---Original Message--- > >> > >> From: Daniel Morris > >> Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working > >> > >> -- > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >> damn, i really really need this > >> > >> does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? -- > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ 07.gif of > >> type image/gif deleted ] -- > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed
NAT by default will not forward incoming packets to ports that are not in the routing table. That is how it keeps nasties out. If the port is already open, then that is another story. So, when some nasty worm tries to come into some Microsoft service that is full of exploits, the packet comes into my router, the router searches the routing table and does not find any entries for the requested port. The router discards the packet. Want to find out how dangerous the Internet really is? Load Windows onto a computer with no firewall, no AV, no NAT (or put it into the DMZ). Unless your service provider blocks commonly exploited ports, the computer won't last 5 minutes. Worms that exploit unpatched microsoft services are everywhere and hammer firewalls and routers incessantly. I found this out the hard way when I reinsstalled XP SP2 onto my laptop and dialed into the Internet with no firewall or AV. Some worm hit me within 30 seconds, and I lost the entire contents of the laptop. I had to reformat to get rid of the worm because the removal tools were unable to repair all infected files. - Original Message - From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed "I use a Linksys with NAT in place of a firewall. Works for me. Keeps nasties out." How does NAT keep nasties out? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:53 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed Not me - the OP I think is the one with the WG. I use a Linksys with NAT in place of a firewall. Works for me. Keeps nasties out. Unlike a firewall, it does not keep nasties in, but so far nothing has gotten in. I run my web and ftp and p2p servers on a linux box that have no access to the rest of the network - I have Samba setup to allow other clients to read the drives on the Linux box, but nothing on the linux box can access drives on other boxes. This gives another slight layer of security. My biggest risk is the Linux box with a bunch of open ports. My HL server only has port 27015 open. - Original Message - From: "Stuart Stegall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I am going to still suggest that Ook should just return the WG and use his Linksys. There's just no need. Edward Luna wrote: There is no reason that you can't run behind a WG firewall. I have two separate Internet Connections and I use two WG firewalls. One is a small Soho and the other is a WG FireBox X500... both function perfectly. All you need do is configure them correctly and your server will be fine. I've already posted how to stop the WG700 from auto-blocking IP addy's. Stick with the troubleshooting and we'll resolve your issue. The problem lies between the modem (please let me know which one) and the WatchGuard External Interface. If I can't ping your WG External Interface there can only be two reasons... 1.) you've disabled ping response or 2.) The modem is not passing the ping request to the WG external Interface. I've seen DSL modems setup to do all sorts of advanced things... especially Verizon DSL... even if you've subscribed for a static IP address, they often don't pass that IP thru to the connected device unless the pass thru option is selected. What modem are you using? -Original Message- From: Ook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:45 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but not listed Get rid of the FB? Find something else? I run my server behind a Linksys WRT54G, which is behind a Westell 2100 in gateway mode, with no firewall. Nat is enough security for what I do, I've never had any security issues except for the time I did a fresh install of Winbloze on my laptop and stupidly dialed into the Internet with no firewall or AV and had some worm come in(thanks to all of the many holes in Winbloze). I lost the entire contents of my laptop, but fortunately I wasn't connected to my network at the time. How many here run behind a router with no firewall? How many have firewalls, and what kind of firewall? - Original Message - From: "CYKO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but not listed ALSO Now after being connected to the game for 10 minutes, the FB is blocking my IP from connecting, So now I have to wait 15 minutes for the block to be removed. Very Funny, I might just go back to the Linksys Router. CYKO -Original Message- From:
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
Same here - mine quit working a long time ago, used to work just fine, one day there was an update, no more banners. - Original Message - From: "Steve!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working Alfred, our servers aren't getting the custom ad when people join, not for some time, on hl1 server. Did something change? Steve! - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working HL1 has an in game banner ad (as always), the Source engine has never had one. - Alfred wrote: Yes I remember that article and I wonder if it is the same reasoning behind this. If it was, then, you could say that maps only allowed by Valve are allowed? Bye bye custom maps? I think we just need to know WHERE and WHY the line was drawn in the sand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working I wonder if this has anything to do with the advertising firm placing Subway ads in some servers. Link to article in case you missed it: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/subway-cs.ars -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were advertising porn with them. Why is it needed? ---Original Message--- From: Daniel Morris Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] damn, i really really need this does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/295 - Release Date: 28/03/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alfred, didnt they have the Valve content server images on downloads? for all games? and updates ? the reason i want to use it is cuz im offering a map depository service, supported by donations, and just wated to use the banner to make people aware of my site and its still on the steampowered site as summit u can do if it dont work, its kinda jus making my life a tad bit harder ( but hey, welcome to life, again ) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
Alfred, our servers aren't getting the custom ad when people join, not for some time, on hl1 server. Did something change? Steve! - Original Message - From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working HL1 has an in game banner ad (as always), the Source engine has never had one. - Alfred wrote: Yes I remember that article and I wonder if it is the same reasoning behind this. If it was, then, you could say that maps only allowed by Valve are allowed? Bye bye custom maps? I think we just need to know WHERE and WHY the line was drawn in the sand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working I wonder if this has anything to do with the advertising firm placing Subway ads in some servers. Link to article in case you missed it: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/subway-cs.ars -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were advertising porn with them. Why is it needed? ---Original Message--- From: Daniel Morris Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] damn, i really really need this does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/295 - Release Date: 28/03/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed
"I use a Linksys with NAT in place of a firewall. Works for me. Keeps nasties out." How does NAT keep nasties out? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:53 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed Not me - the OP I think is the one with the WG. I use a Linksys with NAT in place of a firewall. Works for me. Keeps nasties out. Unlike a firewall, it does not keep nasties in, but so far nothing has gotten in. I run my web and ftp and p2p servers on a linux box that have no access to the rest of the network - I have Samba setup to allow other clients to read the drives on the Linux box, but nothing on the linux box can access drives on other boxes. This gives another slight layer of security. My biggest risk is the Linux box with a bunch of open ports. My HL server only has port 27015 open. - Original Message - From: "Stuart Stegall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > I am going to still suggest that Ook should just return the WG and use > his Linksys. There's just no need. > > > Edward Luna wrote: >> There is no reason that you can't run behind a WG firewall. I have two >> separate Internet Connections and I use two WG firewalls. One is a small >> Soho and the other is a WG FireBox X500... both function perfectly. All >> you >> need do is configure them correctly and your server will be fine. >> >> I've already posted how to stop the WG700 from auto-blocking IP addy's. >> Stick with the troubleshooting and we'll resolve your issue. >> >> The problem lies between the modem (please let me know which one) and the >> WatchGuard External Interface. If I can't ping your WG External >> Interface >> there can only be two reasons... 1.) you've disabled ping response or 2.) >> The modem is not passing the ping request to the WG external Interface. >> >> I've seen DSL modems setup to do all sorts of advanced things... >> especially >> Verizon DSL... even if you've subscribed for a static IP address, they >> often >> don't pass that IP thru to the connected device unless the pass thru >> option >> is selected. >> >> What modem are you using? >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Ook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:45 PM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable >> but not listed >> >> >> Get rid of the FB? Find something else? I run my server behind a Linksys >> WRT54G, which is behind a Westell 2100 in gateway mode, with no firewall. >> Nat is enough security for what I do, I've never had any security issues >> except for the time I did a fresh install of Winbloze on my laptop and >> stupidly dialed into the Internet with no firewall or AV and had some >> worm >> come in(thanks to all of the many holes in Winbloze). I lost the entire >> contents of my laptop, but fortunately I wasn't connected to my network >> at >> the time. >> >> How many here run behind a router with no firewall? How many have >> firewalls, >> and what kind of firewall? >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "CYKO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:58 PM >> Subject: RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable >> but >> not listed >> >> >> >>> ALSO Now after being connected to the game for 10 minutes, the FB is >>> blocking my IP from connecting, So now I have to wait 15 minutes for the >>> block to be removed. Very Funny, I might just go back to the Linksys >>> Router. >>> >>> CYKO >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CYKO >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:26 PM >>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >>> Subject: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but >>> not >>> listed >>> Importance: High >>> >>> >>> >>> Ok here is what is happenning, The game is running behind a WG FB700 >>> with >>> a >>> rule that says: >>> >>> Incomming: >>> >From Any To NAT 69.74.70.242 - 192.168.1.15 TPC 27090 - 27100 UDP >>> >27090 - >>> 27100 >>> Outgoing: >>> To ANY From ANY >>> Same Ports! >>> >>> With this configuration the game is visiable to "Gamemonitor.com" and >>> you >>> can add it to your Favorites in STEAM BUT if you list all internet >>> games, >>> It >>> is NOT in the List. >>> >>> HELP! >>> PS I left the ping respose open for anyone to test. >>> >>> CYKO >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>>
RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working
-- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Do you honestly think Valve would disallow any custom maps thereby killing any online game they make unless they make their own version of every custom map out there? I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt Valve would disallow any custom maps. ---Original Message--- From: [DMA]RocketUSA Date: 03/29/06 16:56:51 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working Yes I remember that article and I wonder if it is the same reasoning behind this. If it was, then, you could say that maps only allowed by Valve are allowed? Bye bye custom maps? I think we just need to know WHERE and WHY the line was drawn in the sand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working I wonder if this has anything to do with the advertising firm placing Subway ads in some servers. Link to article in case you missed it: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/subway-cs.ars > -- > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were advertising > porn with them. > Why is it needed? > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Daniel Morris > Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > damn, i really really need this > > does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- > [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed
LOL...well, that might work too, but I would think that he had a real good reason for spending the few thousand dollars it costs for a WG FireBox 700. The linksys costs what? $79... $69 on sale? The WG is a professional full function Firewall.. Web Blocker... Spam filter... VPN manger... should I keep going? My WG Firebox X500 cost over $3000.00. That's some junk of change to spend if a Linksys will do. -Original Message- From: Stuart Stegall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:08 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I am going to still suggest that Ook should just return the WG and use his Linksys. There's just no need. Edward Luna wrote: > There is no reason that you can't run behind a WG firewall. I have two > separate Internet Connections and I use two WG firewalls. One is a small > Soho and the other is a WG FireBox X500... both function perfectly. All you > need do is configure them correctly and your server will be fine. > > I've already posted how to stop the WG700 from auto-blocking IP addy's. > Stick with the troubleshooting and we'll resolve your issue. > > The problem lies between the modem (please let me know which one) and the > WatchGuard External Interface. If I can't ping your WG External Interface > there can only be two reasons... 1.) you've disabled ping response or 2.) > The modem is not passing the ping request to the WG external Interface. > > I've seen DSL modems setup to do all sorts of advanced things... especially > Verizon DSL... even if you've subscribed for a static IP address, they often > don't pass that IP thru to the connected device unless the pass thru option > is selected. > > What modem are you using? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:45 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable > but not listed > > > Get rid of the FB? Find something else? I run my server behind a Linksys > WRT54G, which is behind a Westell 2100 in gateway mode, with no firewall. > Nat is enough security for what I do, I've never had any security issues > except for the time I did a fresh install of Winbloze on my laptop and > stupidly dialed into the Internet with no firewall or AV and had some worm > come in(thanks to all of the many holes in Winbloze). I lost the entire > contents of my laptop, but fortunately I wasn't connected to my network at > the time. > > How many here run behind a router with no firewall? How many have firewalls, > and what kind of firewall? > > > - Original Message - > From: "CYKO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:58 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but > not listed > > > >> ALSO Now after being connected to the game for 10 minutes, the FB is >> blocking my IP from connecting, So now I have to wait 15 minutes for the >> block to be removed. Very Funny, I might just go back to the Linksys >> Router. >> >> CYKO >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CYKO >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:26 PM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but >> not >> listed >> Importance: High >> >> >> >> Ok here is what is happenning, The game is running behind a WG FB700 with >> a >> rule that says: >> >> Incomming: >> >From Any To NAT 69.74.70.242 - 192.168.1.15 TPC 27090 - 27100 UDP 27090 - >> 27100 >> Outgoing: >> To ANY From ANY >> Same Ports! >> >> With this configuration the game is visiable to "Gamemonitor.com" and you >> can add it to your Favorites in STEAM BUT if you list all internet games, >> It >> is NOT in the List. >> >> HELP! >> PS I left the ping respose open for anyone to test. >> >> CYKO >> >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, pl
RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working
HL1 has an in game banner ad (as always), the Source engine has never had one. - Alfred wrote: > Yes I remember that article and I wonder if it is the same reasoning > behind > this. If it was, then, you could say that maps only allowed by Valve > are > allowed? Bye bye custom maps? I think we just need to know WHERE and > WHY the > line was drawn in the sand. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:39 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working > > I wonder if this has anything to do with the advertising firm placing > Subway ads in some servers. Link to article in case you missed it: > > http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/subway-cs.ars > > > >> -- >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were >> advertising porn with them. Why is it needed? >> >> ---Original Message--- >> >> From: Daniel Morris >> Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working >> >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> damn, i really really need this >> >> does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? -- >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ 07.gif of >> type image/gif deleted ] -- >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working
Yes I remember that article and I wonder if it is the same reasoning behind this. If it was, then, you could say that maps only allowed by Valve are allowed? Bye bye custom maps? I think we just need to know WHERE and WHY the line was drawn in the sand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working I wonder if this has anything to do with the advertising firm placing Subway ads in some servers. Link to article in case you missed it: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/subway-cs.ars > -- > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were advertising > porn with them. > Why is it needed? > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Daniel Morris > Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > damn, i really really need this > > does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- > [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
I wonder if this has anything to do with the advertising firm placing Subway ads in some servers. Link to article in case you missed it: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/subway-cs.ars > -- > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were advertising > porn with them. > Why is it needed? > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Daniel Morris > Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > damn, i really really need this > > does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- > [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed
Not me - the OP I think is the one with the WG. I use a Linksys with NAT in place of a firewall. Works for me. Keeps nasties out. Unlike a firewall, it does not keep nasties in, but so far nothing has gotten in. I run my web and ftp and p2p servers on a linux box that have no access to the rest of the network - I have Samba setup to allow other clients to read the drives on the Linux box, but nothing on the linux box can access drives on other boxes. This gives another slight layer of security. My biggest risk is the Linux box with a bunch of open ports. My HL server only has port 27015 open. - Original Message - From: "Stuart Stegall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I am going to still suggest that Ook should just return the WG and use his Linksys. There's just no need. Edward Luna wrote: There is no reason that you can't run behind a WG firewall. I have two separate Internet Connections and I use two WG firewalls. One is a small Soho and the other is a WG FireBox X500... both function perfectly. All you need do is configure them correctly and your server will be fine. I've already posted how to stop the WG700 from auto-blocking IP addy's. Stick with the troubleshooting and we'll resolve your issue. The problem lies between the modem (please let me know which one) and the WatchGuard External Interface. If I can't ping your WG External Interface there can only be two reasons... 1.) you've disabled ping response or 2.) The modem is not passing the ping request to the WG external Interface. I've seen DSL modems setup to do all sorts of advanced things... especially Verizon DSL... even if you've subscribed for a static IP address, they often don't pass that IP thru to the connected device unless the pass thru option is selected. What modem are you using? -Original Message- From: Ook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:45 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but not listed Get rid of the FB? Find something else? I run my server behind a Linksys WRT54G, which is behind a Westell 2100 in gateway mode, with no firewall. Nat is enough security for what I do, I've never had any security issues except for the time I did a fresh install of Winbloze on my laptop and stupidly dialed into the Internet with no firewall or AV and had some worm come in(thanks to all of the many holes in Winbloze). I lost the entire contents of my laptop, but fortunately I wasn't connected to my network at the time. How many here run behind a router with no firewall? How many have firewalls, and what kind of firewall? - Original Message - From: "CYKO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but not listed ALSO Now after being connected to the game for 10 minutes, the FB is blocking my IP from connecting, So now I have to wait 15 minutes for the block to be removed. Very Funny, I might just go back to the Linksys Router. CYKO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CYKO Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but not listed Importance: High Ok here is what is happenning, The game is running behind a WG FB700 with a rule that says: Incomming: >From Any To NAT 69.74.70.242 - 192.168.1.15 TPC 27090 - 27100 UDP >27090 - 27100 Outgoing: To ANY From ANY Same Ports! With this configuration the game is visiable to "Gamemonitor.com" and you can add it to your Favorites in STEAM BUT if you list all internet games, It is NOT in the List. HELP! PS I left the ping respose open for anyone to test. CYKO ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
-- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Only thing I can think of is due to abuse as some people were advertising porn with them. Why is it needed? ---Original Message--- From: Daniel Morris Date: 03/29/06 15:25:07 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] damn, i really really need this does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] sv_download only half working
Same happened to me. It was working just fine, then after an update, POOF no more banner. I still say that us that provide sv_urldownload servers should be able to advertise where the content for maps are coming from. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:06 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working I thought that Valve discontinued this functionality? My banner stopped showing up a long time ago. - Original Message - From: "Daniel Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: [hlds] sv_download only half working > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > I have set up my sv_download, fine, all working, except one part :| > > i have created a banner.gof, placed it in the /gfx directory but it doesnt > show up > > i have uploaded to both http server and gameserver, still no luck > > everything else works, maps, materils etc etc > > help plz > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] damn, i really really need this does anyone know why they stopped this functionality ? -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
-- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve apparently disabled the banner awhile ago for some reason. ---Original Message--- From: Daniel Morris Date: 03/29/06 14:49:10 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] sv_download only half working -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I have set up my sv_download, fine, all working, except one part :| i have created a banner.gof, placed it in the /gfx directory but it doesnt show up i have uploaded to both http server and gameserver, still no luck everything else works, maps, materils etc etc help plz -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ 07.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I am going to still suggest that Ook should just return the WG and use his Linksys. There's just no need. Edward Luna wrote: > There is no reason that you can't run behind a WG firewall. I have two > separate Internet Connections and I use two WG firewalls. One is a small > Soho and the other is a WG FireBox X500... both function perfectly. All you > need do is configure them correctly and your server will be fine. > > I've already posted how to stop the WG700 from auto-blocking IP addy's. > Stick with the troubleshooting and we'll resolve your issue. > > The problem lies between the modem (please let me know which one) and the > WatchGuard External Interface. If I can't ping your WG External Interface > there can only be two reasons... 1.) you've disabled ping response or 2.) > The modem is not passing the ping request to the WG external Interface. > > I've seen DSL modems setup to do all sorts of advanced things... especially > Verizon DSL... even if you've subscribed for a static IP address, they often > don't pass that IP thru to the connected device unless the pass thru option > is selected. > > What modem are you using? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:45 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable > but not listed > > > Get rid of the FB? Find something else? I run my server behind a Linksys > WRT54G, which is behind a Westell 2100 in gateway mode, with no firewall. > Nat is enough security for what I do, I've never had any security issues > except for the time I did a fresh install of Winbloze on my laptop and > stupidly dialed into the Internet with no firewall or AV and had some worm > come in(thanks to all of the many holes in Winbloze). I lost the entire > contents of my laptop, but fortunately I wasn't connected to my network at > the time. > > How many here run behind a router with no firewall? How many have firewalls, > and what kind of firewall? > > > - Original Message - > From: "CYKO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:58 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but > not listed > > > >> ALSO Now after being connected to the game for 10 minutes, the FB is >> blocking my IP from connecting, So now I have to wait 15 minutes for the >> block to be removed. Very Funny, I might just go back to the Linksys >> Router. >> >> CYKO >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CYKO >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:26 PM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but >> not >> listed >> Importance: High >> >> >> >> Ok here is what is happenning, The game is running behind a WG FB700 with >> a >> rule that says: >> >> Incomming: >> >From Any To NAT 69.74.70.242 - 192.168.1.15 TPC 27090 - 27100 UDP 27090 - >> 27100 >> Outgoing: >> To ANY From ANY >> Same Ports! >> >> With this configuration the game is visiable to "Gamemonitor.com" and you >> can add it to your Favorites in STEAM BUT if you list all internet games, >> It >> is NOT in the List. >> >> HELP! >> PS I left the ping respose open for anyone to test. >> >> CYKO >> >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] sv_download only half working
I thought that Valve discontinued this functionality? My banner stopped showing up a long time ago. - Original Message - From: "Daniel Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: [hlds] sv_download only half working -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I have set up my sv_download, fine, all working, except one part :| i have created a banner.gof, placed it in the /gfx directory but it doesnt show up i have uploaded to both http server and gameserver, still no luck everything else works, maps, materils etc etc help plz -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] sv_download only half working
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I have set up my sv_download, fine, all working, except one part :| i have created a banner.gof, placed it in the /gfx directory but it doesnt show up i have uploaded to both http server and gameserver, still no luck everything else works, maps, materils etc etc help plz -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed
There is no reason that you can't run behind a WG firewall. I have two separate Internet Connections and I use two WG firewalls. One is a small Soho and the other is a WG FireBox X500... both function perfectly. All you need do is configure them correctly and your server will be fine. I've already posted how to stop the WG700 from auto-blocking IP addy's. Stick with the troubleshooting and we'll resolve your issue. The problem lies between the modem (please let me know which one) and the WatchGuard External Interface. If I can't ping your WG External Interface there can only be two reasons... 1.) you've disabled ping response or 2.) The modem is not passing the ping request to the WG external Interface. I've seen DSL modems setup to do all sorts of advanced things... especially Verizon DSL... even if you've subscribed for a static IP address, they often don't pass that IP thru to the connected device unless the pass thru option is selected. What modem are you using? -Original Message- From: Ook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:45 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but not listed Get rid of the FB? Find something else? I run my server behind a Linksys WRT54G, which is behind a Westell 2100 in gateway mode, with no firewall. Nat is enough security for what I do, I've never had any security issues except for the time I did a fresh install of Winbloze on my laptop and stupidly dialed into the Internet with no firewall or AV and had some worm come in(thanks to all of the many holes in Winbloze). I lost the entire contents of my laptop, but fortunately I wasn't connected to my network at the time. How many here run behind a router with no firewall? How many have firewalls, and what kind of firewall? - Original Message - From: "CYKO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but not listed > ALSO Now after being connected to the game for 10 minutes, the FB is > blocking my IP from connecting, So now I have to wait 15 minutes for the > block to be removed. Very Funny, I might just go back to the Linksys > Router. > > CYKO > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CYKO > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:26 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but > not > listed > Importance: High > > > > Ok here is what is happenning, The game is running behind a WG FB700 with > a > rule that says: > > Incomming: >>From Any To NAT 69.74.70.242 - 192.168.1.15 TPC 27090 - 27100 UDP 27090 - > 27100 > Outgoing: > To ANY From ANY > Same Ports! > > With this configuration the game is visiable to "Gamemonitor.com" and you > can add it to your Favorites in STEAM BUT if you list all internet games, > It > is NOT in the List. > > HELP! > PS I left the ping respose open for anyone to test. > > CYKO > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable bu t not listed
Go into the WG System Manager and open the Policy manager. Select Setup/Intrusion Prevention/default packet handling Uncheck the box "Auto Block Source of Packets not Handled". That should stop the WG from blocking your IP. BTW... I still can't ping your Public IP addy 69.74.70.242 but I can ping your gateway 241. -Original Message- From: CYKO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:59 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but not listed ALSO Now after being connected to the game for 10 minutes, the FB is blocking my IP from connecting, So now I have to wait 15 minutes for the block to be removed. Very Funny, I might just go back to the Linksys Router. CYKO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CYKO Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:26 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] HL2DM Server now behind WG Firebox 700 was playable but not listed Importance: High Ok here is what is happenning, The game is running behind a WG FB700 with a rule that says: Incomming: >From Any To NAT 69.74.70.242 - 192.168.1.15 TPC 27090 - 27100 UDP 27090 - 27100 Outgoing: To ANY From ANY Same Ports! With this configuration the game is visiable to "Gamemonitor.com" and you can add it to your Favorites in STEAM BUT if you list all internet games, It is NOT in the List. HELP! PS I left the ping respose open for anyone to test. CYKO ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [OT] [hlds] Disabled Account
You had your chance to read the EULA and Subscriber Agreement before purchasing the software. The difference between a car and software is that you own your car. You don't own software, only a license to install and use it. When you do so, you agree to Valve's terms, which are clearly published on http://www.steampowered.com. You're obviously completely delusional, but in the future you may want to read a contract before you agree to it. Common sense would say, at least. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > After getting a call from their Washington police department for a > "threatening communications in attempting to get their home addresses" > this > subject is dropped. The matter isn't over but it is here. Good luck with > Valve's games guys. I'll miss some of you and miss the enviorment this > community USED to be when the great THWACK stick was the solution to any > problems. When 6 months between an update was a GOOD thing. > Have we fallen so far that if the local Dunkin Dohnuts or McDonald's > closed > down that we wouldn't have breakfast? Pull out a dusty skillet and fix > your > family a good HOME cooked meal this week even if it's as simple as a stack > of French Toast. > > In final closing, and then I'll drop this google account to the net > gods... > > Your illusion of "freedom" on the internet is soon coming to an end. It > starts with charging for email deliveries, online sales tax, and > propietary > "rules"/EULAs that allow anyone to do anything and if you don't agree then > piss off. If I bought a car and sold it to a neighbor does that break a > EULA > with the dealership I bought it at? If I state I'm sick of Valve's > bullshit > and that my account is "up for grabs" is that truely a violation of their > EULA? Whatever your position is on the subject who would you turn to for > help in what you "think" your "rights" are? There is no controlling body > covering the internet in our day an age. If you're defrauded finacially > then > generally the financial institutions will protect you but beyond that > you're > a babe in the woods for every purchase cuz there's nobody to complain to > or > seek mediation from. Bottom line is I stood up on my soapbox, as I'm known > to do, for what I feel is right/wrong. Us old carpenters don't have the > eloquent linguistic skills of the world of "suits" but our taxes help them > keep theirs. Software has no guarantee, if you piss of one of the militia > they shut you off and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. So > will > my complaints resolve anything in this list? Of course not. Would my > complaints be better addressed in another area? Doubt it. There was no > actions on my account other than what I've said from my soapbox here that > got that ID "disabled". Kind of reminds me of an old saying. > *Don't bite the hand that feeds you* My voice said that what I was being > fed was bullshit and their responses to our questions and inquiries having > responses of "when it's ready" after a year of marketing bullshit. It's > the > pompus world of guys that think they can do what they want, when they > want, > to who they want and there's nothing you can do about it. Think about the > last time some little kid not even in high school told you, "that was my > kill mother fucker!" Everybody thinks they are 10-foot tall and bullet > proof > online. Society conforms to it's environment. Verbal online abuse, > hackers, > crackers, spam, your rich relative died and left you $25M emails.it's > the environment we live in. > This company bought the rights to Sierra's creation and have slowly but > surely brought it to it's ultimate demise. There once was a day when these > games were THE game to play. Now it's little Russia with a building full > of > map makers and guys coding eye-candy into the game with no thought to it's > effects to servers or clients. It's all about continuing the NEW content > that allows them something to put in a marketing ad. Your problems, my > problems, doesn't matter. Their morgage will still get paid and you're > left > with no choices. > I brought my emotions online when they should've stayed on my side of the > keyboard when I spoke my mind. Surely don't want a little warrant from a > no-name town in Washington to issue a misdemeanor charge that is > non-extraditable from the other side of the country just cuz I want to > send > the pompus little mouth-piece for a company in it's spirally death-throws > a > nice little Xmas card. The way I see it, the gaming world had a good run > with HL1/mods. The world has moved on and now so shall I. > > Fair well to those of you I'll miss. Wise up to those you who are jaded in > a > world of smoke, mirrors and EULAs. And "when it's done" for me comes today > with this community to no fault of the community itself. You WILL be > missed > for both the good times and the bad over the years. Never forgotten but > remembered as an extremely intellegent group of gu
Re: [OT] [hlds] Disabled Account
IMHO I was hoping that this was the reason that his account was banned and thought that it was disgusting that it was put into a mailing list. Flame over. On 29/03/06, RaynServ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > After getting a call from their Washington police department for a > "threatening communications in attempting to get their home addresses" this > subject is dropped. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [OT] [hlds] Disabled Account
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] After getting a call from their Washington police department for a "threatening communications in attempting to get their home addresses" this subject is dropped. The matter isn't over but it is here. Good luck with Valve's games guys. I'll miss some of you and miss the enviorment this community USED to be when the great THWACK stick was the solution to any problems. When 6 months between an update was a GOOD thing. Have we fallen so far that if the local Dunkin Dohnuts or McDonald's closed down that we wouldn't have breakfast? Pull out a dusty skillet and fix your family a good HOME cooked meal this week even if it's as simple as a stack of French Toast. In final closing, and then I'll drop this google account to the net gods... Your illusion of "freedom" on the internet is soon coming to an end. It starts with charging for email deliveries, online sales tax, and propietary "rules"/EULAs that allow anyone to do anything and if you don't agree then piss off. If I bought a car and sold it to a neighbor does that break a EULA with the dealership I bought it at? If I state I'm sick of Valve's bullshit and that my account is "up for grabs" is that truely a violation of their EULA? Whatever your position is on the subject who would you turn to for help in what you "think" your "rights" are? There is no controlling body covering the internet in our day an age. If you're defrauded finacially then generally the financial institutions will protect you but beyond that you're a babe in the woods for every purchase cuz there's nobody to complain to or seek mediation from. Bottom line is I stood up on my soapbox, as I'm known to do, for what I feel is right/wrong. Us old carpenters don't have the eloquent linguistic skills of the world of "suits" but our taxes help them keep theirs. Software has no guarantee, if you piss of one of the militia they shut you off and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. So will my complaints resolve anything in this list? Of course not. Would my complaints be better addressed in another area? Doubt it. There was no actions on my account other than what I've said from my soapbox here that got that ID "disabled". Kind of reminds me of an old saying. *Don't bite the hand that feeds you* My voice said that what I was being fed was bullshit and their responses to our questions and inquiries having responses of "when it's ready" after a year of marketing bullshit. It's the pompus world of guys that think they can do what they want, when they want, to who they want and there's nothing you can do about it. Think about the last time some little kid not even in high school told you, "that was my kill mother fucker!" Everybody thinks they are 10-foot tall and bullet proof online. Society conforms to it's environment. Verbal online abuse, hackers, crackers, spam, your rich relative died and left you $25M emails.it's the environment we live in. This company bought the rights to Sierra's creation and have slowly but surely brought it to it's ultimate demise. There once was a day when these games were THE game to play. Now it's little Russia with a building full of map makers and guys coding eye-candy into the game with no thought to it's effects to servers or clients. It's all about continuing the NEW content that allows them something to put in a marketing ad. Your problems, my problems, doesn't matter. Their morgage will still get paid and you're left with no choices. I brought my emotions online when they should've stayed on my side of the keyboard when I spoke my mind. Surely don't want a little warrant from a no-name town in Washington to issue a misdemeanor charge that is non-extraditable from the other side of the country just cuz I want to send the pompus little mouth-piece for a company in it's spirally death-throws a nice little Xmas card. The way I see it, the gaming world had a good run with HL1/mods. The world has moved on and now so shall I. Fair well to those of you I'll miss. Wise up to those you who are jaded in a world of smoke, mirrors and EULAs. And "when it's done" for me comes today with this community to no fault of the community itself. You WILL be missed for both the good times and the bad over the years. Never forgotten but remembered as an extremely intellegent group of guys collaborating on a common subject. Most of this list for me over the years wasn't it's direct attachment to the game I loved but more of enjoying the community that surrounded me. The ENVIRONMENT kept me here long after the "fad" of the software had passed. Goodbye gentlemen, and ladies, Ray S. / "Rayne" / "RayneOfDeath" / RaynServ On 3/29/06, Ben Elvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > True. They must've been able to positively identify that he was the > account > owner. The idea that it was disabled because of opinions that were posted > on this list is as stupid as offering your ac
Re: [hlds] Windows 64bit versions of dedicated server, release dates ? [OT] [FLAME]
I would agree its mine.But then again I wouldn't call the distributor(this list) to bitch.I would talk to the other persons involved.(VALVe)And once again this list is not for Steam Client support its for HLDS/SCRDS.Rayn I know I have seen you on this list for awhile now.And you've asked questions and helped for awhile now.But sit back and think.Haven't you flamed people for doing this same exact thing? BeNt - Original Message - From: "RaynServ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So if I punk you out of your sucker you gonna just stand there and bitch or are you gonna DO something about it? I'm willing DO something about it after years of the same bullshit and this last being the last bail of straw in the hay-stack. So tell us, since you want to shoot off your mouth too, what will you do if somebody takes YOUR sucker that you bought/paid for. It may taste like ass but it's still yours wouldn't you agree? Rayne ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HLDS
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] I'd like to thank everyone for helping me with the HLDS. I finally got it up and running. (image)-=TraV=-(image) -- From: "Quintilian 1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:11:27 -0800 Addresses that start with 192.168.XXX.XXX are usually (always?) internal lan ip addresses. So, you are behind some sort of NAT/Router. You need to find out what your external IP is, that way your users look for the external address and your router takes it from there and directs it to your server. If your modem is also a router, then you will need to configure it to direct your traffic properly. Your directions may give you an ip address IE: linksys likes to use 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 and some others use 10.0.0.1 so try going in and setting up the appropriate ports shown at http://portforward.com/cports.htm otherwise you may need to use telnet or it's not configurable. If your modem/router is not configurable you may need to work with your provider to convert it to bridged mode and utilize a configurable router. Once you have a router configured to direct your traffic to your server your almost done. You must find out what your external address is. If your modem IS configurable, most likely there will be a page within the interface that will show you what your external address is. Another question is, do you have a static IP address? If it changes, you may need to utilize a proxy service like http://www.no-ip.com/ Good luck, and find out what your external ip is! CJ7 aka First Penguin From: "Travis Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:39:28 -0600 [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Hi everyone. Sorry for no reply. My net was down for a bit. And yes... My IP is a 192.168.x.x. So what do you think I should do? (image)-=TraV=-(image) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Learn how to better protect yourself with MSN Hotmail[1] ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2746??PS=47575 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
