RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Thanks Dan. It's nice to hear from someone who is neutral in the matter but obviously gets the point. I think I speak for some (note: not all but some) of us when I say that we understand Valve is not obligated to tell us why they do these things. But it sure would be nice. We do think it is unfair when they supposedly support the mod community but when someone comes out with a simple plugin to deal with the small matter of allowing more players than was originally intended, they kill it from the Steam Master Server List. And as usual the modding community has obviously come up with a few options. Earlier today I saw several 32 slot servers, on the list including the SourceOP one (the guys who made the plugin in the first place) Kudos! and a 255 slot server filled with bots. LOL... John, this is a SERVER related issue, as it directly affects the way we want to run our servers. It's not a client side filter it's Steam Master Server List filter. Earlier today I started up a new 32 slot server to see if it would show up (now that I see others there again) The master servers replied with: Your server is out of date. Please update and restart. Well, for the heck of it I did run update, it was completely up to date as I already knew. Restarted and it say's the same thing. Changed it to 24 slots the message went away... Back to 32 where it is now and the message is back. It's definitely the Steam Master Server List that is doing the filtering... Mike ParaDOX www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan E Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Honestly, you are not helping the situation. If you don't like the bickering, there's always the delete button. But, you decided to make matters worse with a rather long (and somewhat redundant) email complaining about people who are complaining. Not to mention, you speak of ignorance when you yourself are being ignorant of the subject; there were legit server plugins that were doing this without the modifications of the server bins. People are asking a reasonable question: Why impose just a 24 player limit and not let the server admins choose? All Valve has to do is release a statement on it. And it does have something to do with servers: when a plugin is being run to cause 32 player servers not to show up, your server will not get seen at all, therefore not played on. Personally, I have not played the game nor run the client, but this is getting ridiculous. And IMO, from a bystander's point on the situation, you appear more from the Steam forums than anybody else has. Especially with that "I'm right and I'm not listening to anything else you have to say lalalalala" at the end. John Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Your missing a whole load of points. This is ..and I will say it again ... a HLDS mailing list, Half-Life Dedicated server mailing list. It's not a forum where you can join in and browse at leasure easily, not something you can search/find when your looking for specific help. Your sending out spam to a mailing list full of people who couldnt care less about an un-supported modification to TF2. And your probelm..Its a filter in the STEAM CLIENT right? IS that part of HLDS? Not its not is it right? For the record you do know the difference between the Steam Client and HLDS dont you? if you dont and think dedicated servers are mostly run through the steam client on the "dedicated" button I suggest you look into the matter further before responding. The changes which valve have decided to filter out in their STEAM CLIENT (Client being that nice little gui that runs on your home pc when you connect to your dedicated server remotely) were neither supported or approved so why should they listen to DEMANDS on why they decided to pull the plug on it, if they wanted to say somethign they would have, they havent so moaning and whining on about it serves what purpose exactly? Exactly the mentaility you get on the steam forums.. whine whine I DEMAND a right to know ... NO WE ARE RIGHT I WONT SHUTUP... for the love of money someone save me! So to bring to an end, your spamming us about something thats changed in the client in relation to a hacked un-supported modded server binarys which are neither approved OR supported by valve. A change in the Client that people have rightly pointed out neither stops you running the server, administrating the server, or joining the server therefor highly worthy of flooding the mailing list with post about right? Then when people pointed this out nicely that perhaps you shouldnt be posting this here, nor demanding an answer people got the hump and started ranting off stating we demand answers. Well good luck, if thats the tone
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Dan E wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Honestly, you are not helping the situation. If you don't like the bickering, there's always the delete button. But, you decided to make matters worse with a rather long (and somewhat redundant) email complaining about people who are complaining. Not to mention, you speak of ignorance when you yourself are being ignorant of the subject; there were legit server plugins that were doing this without the modifications of the server bins. People are asking a reasonable question: Why impose just a 24 player limit and not let the server admins choose? All Valve has to do is release a statement on it. And it does have something to do with servers: when a plugin is being run to cause 32 player servers not to show up, your server will not get seen at all, therefore not played on. Personally, I have not played the game nor run the client, but this is getting ridiculous. And IMO, from a bystander's point on the situation, you appear more from the Steam forums than anybody else has. Especially with that "I'm right and I'm not listening to anything else you have to say lalalalala" at the end. John Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Your missing a whole load of points. This is ..and I will say it again ... a HLDS mailing list, Half-Life Dedicated server mailing list. It's not a forum where you can join in and browse at leasure easily, not something you can search/find when your looking for specific help. Your sending out spam to a mailing list full of people who couldnt care less about an un-supported modification to TF2. And your probelm..Its a filter in the STEAM CLIENT right? IS that part of HLDS? Not its not is it right? For the record you do know the difference between the Steam Client and HLDS dont you? if you dont and think dedicated servers are mostly run through the steam client on the "dedicated" button I suggest you look into the matter further before responding. The changes which valve have decided to filter out in their STEAM CLIENT (Client being that nice little gui that runs on your home pc when you connect to your dedicated server remotely) were neither supported or approved so why should they listen to DEMANDS on why they decided to pull the plug on it, if they wanted to say somethign they would have, they havent so moaning and whining on about it serves what purpose exactly? Exactly the mentaility you get on the steam forums.. whine whine I DEMAND a right to know ... NO WE ARE RIGHT I WONT SHUTUP... for the love of money someone save me! So to bring to an end, your spamming us about something thats changed in the client in relation to a hacked un-supported modded server binarys which are neither approved OR supported by valve. A change in the Client that people have rightly pointed out neither stops you running the server, administrating the server, or joining the server therefor highly worthy of flooding the mailing list with post about right? Then when people pointed this out nicely that perhaps you shouldnt be posting this here, nor demanding an answer people got the hump and started ranting off stating we demand answers. Well good luck, if thats the tone you wish to adopt then kindly do it on the forums where "problems" like this SHOULD be posted and not spamming us with things that matter not to us. If you cant see the difference between the HLDS mailing list and the steam forums then its pointless me even saying another word to you because its obvious to all of us who is posting whining pointless spam in the wrong place. PS lets net get childish about it, I never said I couldnt run a 32 man server I simply stated I didnt want to hack the server bins because I felt 24 player slots was plenrty. I have 13 TF2 servers with space to run another 5/6 if I wanted, I could quite easily run a 32 man server if I wanted. Really if this is the type of reply your going to come up with then ill say it again you really really really are in the wrong place pal and all I can say is the mailing is worst off for it. I should not have to justify anything to anyone for conclusions they have drawn, I wont let myself be drawn further on such purile comments :) PPS I appreciate my comments are neither helping and equally contributing to the spam so as far as I am concerned on this subject im saying no more, if you cant see the logic in this post then its really not worth another moment of my time! John [You said] Doesn't sound like whining to me, its not unreasonable to expect to be told whats in the contents of an update or the rational for making the decision for locking the slots to 24 players, neither of which has been provided in the last update(FYI No hexing of dll's was actually required to run 32man as a helpful mod was actually posted to this list) .. If the next update stopped you from kicking & ba
RE: [hlds] MountFilesystem(), SteamMountFilesystem() Issue with TF2 Dedicated Server
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "[??R] The-/ Sent: 13 October 2007 19:59 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] MountFilesystem(), SteamMountFilesystem() Issue with > TF2 Dedicated Server > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Paul Kirby wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "[??R] The-/ >> Sent: 13 October 2007 02:38 > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] MountFilesystem(), SteamMountFilesystem() Issue > with > >> TF2 Dedicated Server > >> > >> Paul Kirby wrote: > >> > >>> Hello All > >>> > >>> Haven't been in the list for ages :) > >>> > >>> Anyway I had brought the Orange Box the other day to get HL2 Ep2, TF2 > >>> > >> and > >> > >>> the others that comes with it and found out that the TF2 Dedicated > >>> > >> Server > >> > >>> (Win32) crashes on start-up. > >>> > >>> I get the first screen where you set the first lot of server > information > >>> > >> but > >> > >>> when I click on the [Start Server] button it then crashes with the > >>> > >> following > >> > >>> errors: > >>> 1st Error: > >>> [Dedicated Server Error] <-- Dialog Title. > >>> MountFilesystem(444) failed: > >>> SteamMountFilesystem(1576,444,0x1197fc74=,0x1197fd74) failed with > error > >>> > >> 5: > >> > >>> No Steam Content Servers are available > >>> > >>> 2nd Error: > >>> [Error] <-- Dialog Title. > >>> MountFilesystem(444) failed: > >>> SteamMountFilesystem(1576,444,0x1197fc74=,0x1197fd74) failed with > error > >>> > >> 5: > >> > >>> No Steam Content Servers are available > >>> > >>> And I am just asking if anyone else is or has had this problem in the > >>> > >> past > >> > >>> and if they have fixed it how? > >>> > >>> I think my brother said it works fine on our dedicated box (Linux) so > >>> > >> maybe > >> > >>> it's a Win32 issue. > >>> > >>> I have tried requesting support and was told the following which > pointed > >>> > >> to > >> > >>> here: > >>> Unfortunately, we cannot offer direct support for setting up a > dedicated > >>> server at this time. Here's a link to the best place to go for help > with > >>> that: > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance. > >>> Paul Kirby > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> > >> please visit: > >> > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Are you running DS through steam? i think its been done with orangebox > >> but generally easier to use stand-alone. > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > I am running it from the Tools tab within Steam. > > The Source Dedicated server for CS:S, HL2:DM and DOD:S works fine; I am > just > > having issues running TF2 Dedicated Server :( > > The strange this is it runs fine as a Listen Server, which is run via > the > > game client. > > > > Let me know if you need any more info. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Paul Kirby > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > While the steam version may work, I would suggest the stand alone > console version, heres the info on how to get started > http://www.srcds.com/db/engine.php?subaction=showfull&id=1097362093 > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Yeah, that works fine :) Just means that they have an issue the Team Fortress 2 Dedicated Server which is started via the Tools menu within Steam. Thanks for the help. Paul Kirby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Honestly, you are not helping the situation. If you don't like the bickering, there's always the delete button. But, you decided to make matters worse with a rather long (and somewhat redundant) email complaining about people who are complaining. Not to mention, you speak of ignorance when you yourself are being ignorant of the subject; there were legit server plugins that were doing this without the modifications of the server bins. People are asking a reasonable question: Why impose just a 24 player limit and not let the server admins choose? All Valve has to do is release a statement on it. And it does have something to do with servers: when a plugin is being run to cause 32 player servers not to show up, your server will not get seen at all, therefore not played on. Personally, I have not played the game nor run the client, but this is getting ridiculous. And IMO, from a bystander's point on the situation, you appear more from the Steam forums than anybody else has. Especially with that "I'm right and I'm not listening to anything else you have to say lalalalala" at the end. John Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Your missing a whole load of points. This is ..and I will say it again ... a HLDS mailing list, Half-Life Dedicated server mailing list. It's not a forum where you can join in and browse at leasure easily, not something you can search/find when your looking for specific help. Your sending out spam to a mailing list full of people who couldnt care less about an un-supported modification to TF2. And your probelm..Its a filter in the STEAM CLIENT right? IS that part of HLDS? Not its not is it right? For the record you do know the difference between the Steam Client and HLDS dont you? if you dont and think dedicated servers are mostly run through the steam client on the "dedicated" button I suggest you look into the matter further before responding. The changes which valve have decided to filter out in their STEAM CLIENT (Client being that nice little gui that runs on your home pc when you connect to your dedicated server remotely) were neither supported or approved so why should they listen to DEMANDS on why they decided to pull the plug on it, if they wanted to say somethign they would have, they havent so moaning and whining on about it serves what purpose exactly? Exactly the mentaility you get on the steam forums.. whine whine I DEMAND a right to know ... NO WE ARE RIGHT I WONT SHUTUP... for the love of money someone save me! So to bring to an end, your spamming us about something thats changed in the client in relation to a hacked un-supported modded server binarys which are neither approved OR supported by valve. A change in the Client that people have rightly pointed out neither stops you running the server, administrating the server, or joining the server therefor highly worthy of flooding the mailing list with post about right? Then when people pointed this out nicely that perhaps you shouldnt be posting this here, nor demanding an answer people got the hump and started ranting off stating we demand answers. Well good luck, if thats the tone you wish to adopt then kindly do it on the forums where "problems" like this SHOULD be posted and not spamming us with things that matter not to us. If you cant see the difference between the HLDS mailing list and the steam forums then its pointless me even saying another word to you because its obvious to all of us who is posting whining pointless spam in the wrong place. PS lets net get childish about it, I never said I couldnt run a 32 man server I simply stated I didnt want to hack the server bins because I felt 24 player slots was plenrty. I have 13 TF2 servers with space to run another 5/6 if I wanted, I could quite easily run a 32 man server if I wanted. Really if this is the type of reply your going to come up with then ill say it again you really really really are in the wrong place pal and all I can say is the mailing is worst off for it. I should not have to justify anything to anyone for conclusions they have drawn, I wont let myself be drawn further on such purile comments :) PPS I appreciate my comments are neither helping and equally contributing to the spam so as far as I am concerned on this subject im saying no more, if you cant see the logic in this post then its really not worth another moment of my time! John [You said] Doesn't sound like whining to me, its not unreasonable to expect to be told whats in the contents of an update or the rational for making the decision for locking the slots to 24 players, neither of which has been provided in the last update(FYI No hexing of dll's was actually required to run 32man as a helpful mod was actually posted to this list) .. If the next update stopped you from kicking & banning players
[hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Your missing a whole load of points. This is ..and I will say it again ... a HLDS mailing list, Half-Life Dedicated server mailing list. It's not a forum where you can join in and browse at leasure easily, not something you can search/find when your looking for specific help. Your sending out spam to a mailing list full of people who couldnt care less about an un-supported modification to TF2. And your probelm..Its a filter in the STEAM CLIENT right? IS that part of HLDS? Not its not is it right? For the record you do know the difference between the Steam Client and HLDS dont you? if you dont and think dedicated servers are mostly run through the steam client on the "dedicated" button I suggest you look into the matter further before responding. The changes which valve have decided to filter out in their STEAM CLIENT (Client being that nice little gui that runs on your home pc when you connect to your dedicated server remotely) were neither supported or approved so why should they listen to DEMANDS on why they decided to pull the plug on it, if they wanted to say somethign they would have, they havent so moaning and whining on about it serves what purpose exactly? Exactly the mentaility you get on the steam forums.. whine whine I DEMAND a right to know ... NO WE ARE RIGHT I WONT SHUTUP... for the love of money someone save me! So to bring to an end, your spamming us about something thats changed in the client in relation to a hacked un-supported modded server binarys which are neither approved OR supported by valve. A change in the Client that people have rightly pointed out neither stops you running the server, administrating the server, or joining the server therefor highly worthy of flooding the mailing list with post about right? Then when people pointed this out nicely that perhaps you shouldnt be posting this here, nor demanding an answer people got the hump and started ranting off stating we demand answers. Well good luck, if thats the tone you wish to adopt then kindly do it on the forums where "problems" like this SHOULD be posted and not spamming us with things that matter not to us. If you cant see the difference between the HLDS mailing list and the steam forums then its pointless me even saying another word to you because its obvious to all of us who is posting whining pointless spam in the wrong place. PS lets net get childish about it, I never said I couldnt run a 32 man server I simply stated I didnt want to hack the server bins because I felt 24 player slots was plenrty. I have 13 TF2 servers with space to run another 5/6 if I wanted, I could quite easily run a 32 man server if I wanted. Really if this is the type of reply your going to come up with then ill say it again you really really really are in the wrong place pal and all I can say is the mailing is worst off for it. I should not have to justify anything to anyone for conclusions they have drawn, I wont let myself be drawn further on such purile comments :) PPS I appreciate my comments are neither helping and equally contributing to the spam so as far as I am concerned on this subject im saying no more, if you cant see the logic in this post then its really not worth another moment of my time! John [You said] Doesn't sound like whining to me, its not unreasonable to expect to be told whats in the contents of an update or the rational for making the decision for locking the slots to 24 players, neither of which has been provided in the last update(FYI No hexing of dll's was actually required to run 32man as a helpful mod was actually posted to this list) .. If the next update stopped you from kicking & banning players & there was no announcement or any reason provided most you would be mortified & whining like somebody who passed out last night & awoke to find a limb removed. .. Just because either you have no wish to run or don't have the resources available to run a 32 man TF2 server doesn't mean the rest of us cannot discuss the matter here, which is after all what this list is about, to support each other & not have trolling matches We just want some replies from Valve.. as they have been oh so quiet on this list since the last update came out, I'm hoping Alfred or one of the other guys from Valve might actually comment, rather than the quit whining brigade who are just spamming the list with unhelpful comments. - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Still suffering linux related low fps high cpu
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hmm you see the weird thing is, I know someone who says he is using Linux and has a dual xeon 1.8ghz and yet says he is running 3 TFC servers and 2 TF2 servers with no lag, although im investigating his setup in more detail I just thought I must be missing a trick. Has anyone managed to get TF2 running at a decent level on Linux? when I say decent I mean 18+ slots with more than one server running at any one time? I personally dont want to run 1 TF2 server on a dual xeon and nothing else :> PS Alfred suggested disabling HT, this worked on my Windows servers but not on Linux :/ however you do have a bit more processing power there so you might notice a bigger improvement :/ John John, manually setting affinity is going to nothing much... I see the same thing on my linux box which is dual 3.0 xeons With a full 24 person, which it is right now im looking at 80%cpu and 4.1mem... I have HT on, that's the only diff... Yet When I have 30 people in my BF2 server I don't see any higher than 35% CPU... Pulling stats while its full the fps bumps between 120 and 30... I'm running CentOS 4.3. This is nothing new to what I have seen. - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
