Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released
Tags implemented as they are now, will not help you find vanilla servers. If a new plug-in is made for TF2, the tags will not be modified automatically, and they will not be modified voluntarily either if server ops are put into another list for it which causes them to lose their server traffic. Every single server in the internet list could be custom, instagib deathmatch, without the server admins using plug-ins to "hide" tags. - voogru. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Whelan Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:17 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released I read it.. I understand it... there :p There does come a time where many find themselves craving a vanilla server, just to play it as it was intended by the developers. For other mods this would not make sense, but tf2 has so many servers that its needed. Same goes for cs:s. Its like google search results, if your not on the first two pages you don't get seen, at least here in tf2 there are now greater chances of your server getting seen by the people who are looking for it. If not the tabs, then a filter macro. Its all about allowing me, the player, to find what I'm looking for faster. blablabla... - Original Message From: Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 1:11:13 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released It's not only silly and annoying, its just plain stupid. I've asked people around if someone has actually read the box, I haven't been able to find one yet! VALVe, please, just accept for once you've made a mistake, a screw up. We'll forgive you, things like this can happen. But for god sakes, take that damn tab out of the server browser! Another effect of this tabs, which it looks like you haven't taken in account, is that all 'noob' players are on the internet tab. As with result you have mostly only servers now on that tab were idiots play who keep spamming and screaming shit, abusing bugs etc etc. And the default servers are mostly not really closely monitored by admins, so the abuse keeps going on 24/7. Good improvement on the game impression for new players! I'm sure they love playing in that kind of environment! Saint K. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Mike Stiehm Verzonden: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:04 AM Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released If you ask me the new info box is just silly looking and its annoying to read. > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:21:46 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released> > my servers still only show up half the time in the list. i gave up a > long time ago trying.> > Rodge Stumbaugh wrote:> > Tell me about it, but I have to admit, steam blows what activision does for> > online play of COD4 out of the water. Have you ever tried to use their> > server browser? What a piece of crap.> >> > -Original Message-> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:07 AM> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released> >> > There seems to be this trend in PC gaming where developers want to > > control the game experience in online play more and more. The most > > extreme case would be DICE and the ranked servers for BF2 and 2142. > > More and more the options we as admins have to host a game the way we > > want to play it are being taken away. In my opinion, this has stemmed > > from the consoles where developers and publishers have complete control > > over the gaming experience. That model will never work in the PC gaming > > world. I am really frustrated with how out of touch the devs and > > publishers have become. From this problem with the custom tabs in TF2 > > to the complete and utter BS with KAOS and Frontlines to the crappy > > console ports we get for a lot of games anymore I just have to shake my > > head and wonder what the hell happened to PC gaming.> >> > Rodge Stumbaugh wrote:> > > >> I have hosted a server for over 4 years now and I only do it for my own> >> entertainment and sorry Valve, but the best part of running(and playing> >> > > on)> > > >> a server is all the cool mods these kids out there like Mani, Mattie, the> >> sourcemod folks and now more than ever Beetlefart and of course others> >> > > have> > > >> come up with. I'm not blind though, I do realize there are serious CAL> >> > > type> > > >> gamers out there who only want vanilla servers, but I do believe that> >> > > there> > > >> are more who like the fun stuff that's been added on. Ma
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released
I read it.. I understand it... there :p There does come a time where many find themselves craving a vanilla server, just to play it as it was intended by the developers. For other mods this would not make sense, but tf2 has so many servers that its needed. Same goes for cs:s. Its like google search results, if your not on the first two pages you don't get seen, at least here in tf2 there are now greater chances of your server getting seen by the people who are looking for it. If not the tabs, then a filter macro. Its all about allowing me, the player, to find what I'm looking for faster. blablabla... - Original Message From: Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 1:11:13 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released It's not only silly and annoying, its just plain stupid. I've asked people around if someone has actually read the box, I haven't been able to find one yet! VALVe, please, just accept for once you've made a mistake, a screw up. We'll forgive you, things like this can happen. But for god sakes, take that damn tab out of the server browser! Another effect of this tabs, which it looks like you haven't taken in account, is that all 'noob' players are on the internet tab. As with result you have mostly only servers now on that tab were idiots play who keep spamming and screaming shit, abusing bugs etc etc. And the default servers are mostly not really closely monitored by admins, so the abuse keeps going on 24/7. Good improvement on the game impression for new players! I'm sure they love playing in that kind of environment! Saint K. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Mike Stiehm Verzonden: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:04 AM Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released If you ask me the new info box is just silly looking and its annoying to read. > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:21:46 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released> > my servers still only show up half the time in the list. i gave up a > long time ago trying.> > Rodge Stumbaugh wrote:> > Tell me about it, but I have to admit, steam blows what activision does for> > online play of COD4 out of the water. Have you ever tried to use their> > server browser? What a piece of crap.> >> > -Original Message-> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:07 AM> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released> >> > There seems to be this trend in PC gaming where developers want to > > control the game experience in online play more and more. The most > > extreme case would be DICE and the ranked servers for BF2 and 2142. > > More and more the options we as admins have to host a game the way we > > want to play it are being taken away. In my opinion, this has stemmed > > from the consoles where developers and publishers have complete control > > over the gaming experience. That model will never work in the PC gaming > > world. I am really frustrated with how out of touch the devs and > > publishers have become. From this problem with the custom tabs in TF2 > > to the complete and utter BS with KAOS and Frontlines to the crappy > > console ports we get for a lot of games anymore I just have to shake my > > head and wonder what the hell happened to PC gaming.> >> > Rodge Stumbaugh wrote:> > > >> I have hosted a server for over 4 years now and I only do it for my own> >> entertainment and sorry Valve, but the best part of running(and playing> >> > > on)> > > >> a server is all the cool mods these kids out there like Mani, Mattie, the> >> sourcemod folks and now more than ever Beetlefart and of course others> >> > > have> > > >> come up with. I'm not blind though, I do realize there are serious CAL> >> > > type> > > >> gamers out there who only want vanilla servers, but I do believe that> >> > > there> > > >> are more who like the fun stuff that's been added on. Maybe I'm wrong,> >> > > maybe> > > >> Valve could care less about these mods, but if so, why make a completely> >> different tab that only shows up if you are already in the game? That part> >> really confuses me because I run steam from windows, I decide what game to> >> play from my steam client before I go into the game, even what server. So,> >> > > I> > > >> rarely ever use the steam search while I'm in the game. So, why is it that> >> Valve decided to put the tab there and not in the steam client I use> >> > > before> > > >> I start the game??? That part I don't get at all. But in all honestly, I> >> > > did> > > >> check out the new message from the update tonight and it seems fine to me.>
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released
The german Version of the box didnot even show the whole content cause it didnt fit in there. - Original Message - From: "George "Devgru Seal"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released I tend to agree. The only reason I was even aware of the box was through this mailing list, and I read the update news. But I can tell you that most gamers are just going to click past that tiny box without caring what was in the box. They figure, "if its important I'll get the message again, but I want to play a game right now!" ...And don't take that as an invitation to make that dialog box show up everytime you open the browser either, in hopes someone will see it. On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not only silly and annoying, its just plain stupid. I've asked people > around if someone has actually read the box, I haven't been able to find > one > yet! > > VALVe, please, just accept for once you've made a mistake, a screw up. > We'll > forgive you, things like this can happen. But for god sakes, take that > damn > tab out of the server browser! > > Another effect of this tabs, which it looks like you haven't taken in > account, is that all 'noob' players are on the internet tab. As with > result > you have mostly only servers now on that tab were idiots play who keep > spamming and screaming shit, abusing bugs etc etc. And the default servers > are mostly not really closely monitored by admins, so the abuse keeps > going > on 24/7. Good improvement on the game impression for new players! I'm sure > they love playing in that kind of environment! > > Saint K. > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Mike Stiehm > Verzonden: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:04 AM > Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released > > If you ask me the new info box is just silly looking and > its annoying to read. > > > > > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:21:46 -0400> From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: > Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released> > my servers > still only show up half the time in the list. i gave up a > long time ago > trying.> > Rodge Stumbaugh wrote:> > Tell me about it, but I have to > admit, > steam blows what activision does for> > online play of COD4 out of the > water. Have you ever tried to use their> > server browser? What a piece of > crap.> >> > -Original Message-> > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L > Havener> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:07 AM> > To: Half-Life dedicated > Win32 > server mailing list> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated > Server > update released> >> > There seems to be this trend in PC gaming where > developers want to > > control the game experience in online play more and > more. The most > > extreme case would be DICE and the ranked servers for > BF2 > and 2142. > > More and more the options we as admins have to host a game > the > way we > > want to play it are being taken away. In my opinion, this has > stemmed > > from the consoles where developers and publishers have > complete > control > > over the gaming experience. That model will never work in the > PC > gaming > > world. I am really frustrated with how out of touch the devs > and > > > publishers have become. From this problem with the custom tabs in TF2 > > > > to the complete and utter BS with KAOS and Frontlines to the crappy > > > console ports we get for a lot of games anymore I just have to shake my > > > > head and wonder what the hell happened to PC gaming.> >> > Rodge Stumbaugh > wrote:> > > >> I have hosted a server for over 4 years now and I only do > it > for my own> >> entertainment and sorry Valve, but the best part of > running(and playing> >> > > on)> > > >> a server is all the cool mods > these > kids out there like Mani, Mattie, the> >> sourcemod folks and now more > than > ever Beetlefart and of course others> >> > > have> > > >> come up with. > I'm > not blind though, I do realize there are serious CAL> >> > > type> > > >> > gamers out there who only want vanilla servers, but I do believe that> >> > > > > there> > > >> are more who like the fun stuff that's been added on. > Maybe > I'm wrong,> >> > > maybe> > > >> Valve could care less about these mods, > but > if so, why make a completely> >> different tab that only shows up if you > are > already in the game? That part> >> really confuses me because I run steam > from windows, I decide what game to> >> play from my steam client before I > go into the game, even what server. So,> >> > > I> > > >> rarely ever use > the steam search while I'm in the game. So, why is it that> >> Valve > decided > to put the tab there and not in t
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released
Actually I think it was only announced on the hlds_announce list (you really should be on this one, as it notifies of all updates regardless.) On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM, GZ Coldorak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yep, I'm gonna subscribe to the linux list too and not just the general > hlds > one. > Thanks for the tip > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > If you were subscribed ot the hlds_linux list you would have got it. > > > > > > The Linux Team Fortress 2 dedicated server update is now available. > > This is not a required update, but strongly recommended since it fixes > > the crash on changelevel. > > > > Jason > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > GZ Coldorak wrote: > > > Oh, there's a new update > > > > > > [-] > > > April 2, 2008 - *Team Fortress 2 Update Released* > > > > > > Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be > > applied > > > automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific > changes > > > include: > > > > > > *Team Fortress 2* > > > > > >- Fixed Linux dedicated server crash on map change > > > > > > > > > It worked for my TF2 server, no crash at map change, but I don't have > > time > > > to test more. > > > > > > Christophe > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:10 AM, GZ Coldorak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I have Metamod Source 1.6.1 with Sourcemod 1.0 > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Darren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> So for those of you who have been getting disconnects.Are you > > >>> running Mani's Admin Plugin and/or Metamod? > > >>> > > >>> -Darren > > >>> > > >>> On Apr 2, 2008, at 2:14 PM, GZ Coldorak wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > I have the same problem as Andrius, my server crashes at every map > > change > > (or at players vote). > > Never happened so often before last update. > > Linux TF2 HLDS. > > > > Cold > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Andrius Pirus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Server crashes at mapchange :( Please fix it Valve. It crashes and > > > restarts, crashes and restarts all the time when map changes. > > > Quoting Patrick Shelley : Steve wrote: > > > wow.. I have some good cheese that could go with your whine. > > > WOW ! - LOL - LOLZ - ROFL - LMAO !! > > > I've never heard that one before.sigh > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > Links: > > > -- > > > [1] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > >>> ___ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > >>> please visit: > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released
Yep, I'm gonna subscribe to the linux list too and not just the general hlds one. Thanks for the tip On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you were subscribed ot the hlds_linux list you would have got it. > > > The Linux Team Fortress 2 dedicated server update is now available. > This is not a required update, but strongly recommended since it fixes > the crash on changelevel. > > Jason > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > GZ Coldorak wrote: > > Oh, there's a new update > > > > [-] > > April 2, 2008 - *Team Fortress 2 Update Released* > > > > Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be > applied > > automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific changes > > include: > > > > *Team Fortress 2* > > > >- Fixed Linux dedicated server crash on map change > > > > > > It worked for my TF2 server, no crash at map change, but I don't have > time > > to test more. > > > > Christophe > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:10 AM, GZ Coldorak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > >> I have Metamod Source 1.6.1 with Sourcemod 1.0 > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Darren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> So for those of you who have been getting disconnects.Are you > >>> running Mani's Admin Plugin and/or Metamod? > >>> > >>> -Darren > >>> > >>> On Apr 2, 2008, at 2:14 PM, GZ Coldorak wrote: > >>> > >>> > I have the same problem as Andrius, my server crashes at every map > change > (or at players vote). > Never happened so often before last update. > Linux TF2 HLDS. > > Cold > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Andrius Pirus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Server crashes at mapchange :( Please fix it Valve. It crashes and > > restarts, crashes and restarts all the time when map changes. > > Quoting Patrick Shelley : Steve wrote: > > wow.. I have some good cheese that could go with your whine. > > WOW ! - LOL - LOLZ - ROFL - LMAO !! > > I've never heard that one before.sigh > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > Links: > > -- > > [1] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> ___ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >> > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released
Yep.. same here.. Metamod source 1.6.1 and Sourcemod 1.0. But i dont think that is the problem. Because when I connect the server is half full and they don't disconnect. If it was sourcemod/metamod all players should have troubles with it. It personally think its client side. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens GZ Coldorak Verzonden: donderdag 3 april 2008 7:10 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server update released I have Metamod Source 1.6.1 with Sourcemod 1.0 On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Darren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So for those of you who have been getting disconnects.Are you > running Mani's Admin Plugin and/or Metamod? > > -Darren > > On Apr 2, 2008, at 2:14 PM, GZ Coldorak wrote: > > > I have the same problem as Andrius, my server crashes at every map > > change > > (or at players vote). > > Never happened so often before last update. > > Linux TF2 HLDS. > > > > Cold > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Andrius Pirus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> Server crashes at mapchange :( Please fix it Valve. It crashes and > >> restarts, crashes and restarts all the time when map changes. > >> Quoting Patrick Shelley : Steve wrote: > >> wow.. I have some good cheese that could go with your whine. > >> WOW ! - LOL - LOLZ - ROFL - LMAO !! > >> I've never heard that one before.sigh > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> Links: > >> -- > >> [1] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ NOD32 2996 (20080403) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
