RE: [hlds] RE: Mandatory Source engine update later today...

[Philipp G.]

See, in the olden days we could have settled this with swords and speers,
but now with all these "laws" in place we're pretty much at the mercy of the
developer.



From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: 
Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: Mandatory Source engine update later today...
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:36:32 -0400

Code is code. Whatcha gonna do about it?

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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: Mandatory Source engine update later today...

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I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about don't post saying its
coming
three days in a row, tell us its delayed once, the next day just not say
anything about it at all, thurs comes and says its coming, and now backs
down again. If that isn't a bit disorganized I don't know what is.

On 9/22/05, Tyler Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> lay off him, not his fault...
> u wanna get an update that hangs your server? gets it a BSOD?
> didnt think so
>
> On 9/22/05, Genocidal aka TGenocide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > AGAIN? Jeez, get your facts straight please!
> >
> > On 9/22/05, Erik Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bad news folks, we ran into another problem that is going to push
us
> > > into tomorrow. Sorry for the false start.
> > >
> > > Erik
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
Miller
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:58 PM
> > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > Cc: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: Mandatory Source engine update later
today...
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Doug said there would be a client update along with this one. Is
that
> > > also
> > > schedule to go with the server release? Or will the client release
> come
> > > tomorrow as per-usual Friday updates?
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RE: [hlds] Win2000 versus WinXP versus WinServer2003

[Philipp G.]

not at all, it's probably by far the best of the OS's you've mentioned (for
what you intend to do).



From: "Ook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: 
Subject: [hlds] Win2000 versus WinXP versus WinServer2003
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:44:46 -0700

I have an opportunity to install Windows server 2003 on the box running my
HL server. I've ran it with Win2000, then WinXP (and could not tell any
difference). How many here have used 2003, and have you had any issues? The
reason I want to use WinServer2003 is that I have a license to use it
through school, and it frees up my XP copies to run on other computers that
are currently running Win2000.

IOW, is there any reason not to us WinServer2003 on my HL server box?


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Re: [hlds] Pingboost

[Philipp G.]

Heh, all I know is that is raised usage like crap, didn't check if it showed
any significant fps change though.
Phil



From: Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [hlds] Pingboost
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:16:00 +1000

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Never seemned to do a damn thing for me. YMMV.

On 9/12/05, Philipp G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> actually, whisper, it seems to do stuff for my windows servers too...
>
>
> >From: Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >Subject: Re: [hlds] Pingboost
> >Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:01:52 +1000
> >
> >--
> >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >-pingboost is a Linux SRCDS/HLDS command, this is the Windows list
> > From what I know anyway, you get greater performance enhancement by
> >leaving
> >it alone and running a 2.6 Kernel instead so you get a 1000Hz Kernel
> timer
> > Cheers
> > On 9/12/05, Philipp G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 1 through 3 for the "built in ping booster" (which may not be
> stellar).
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Edge-Gaming.com Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > >To: 
> > > >Subject: [hlds] Pingboost
> > > >Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:55:45 -0700
> > > >
> > > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > >--
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> > > >Whats the pingboost command in the command line?
> > > >
> > > >-pingboost 1?
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Re: [hlds] Pingboost

[Philipp G.]

actually, whisper, it seems to do stuff for my windows servers too...



From: Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Pingboost
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:01:52 +1000

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-pingboost is a Linux SRCDS/HLDS command, this is the Windows list
 From what I know anyway, you get greater performance enhancement by
leaving
it alone and running a 2.6 Kernel instead so you get a 1000Hz Kernel timer
 Cheers
 On 9/12/05, Philipp G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 1 through 3 for the "built in ping booster" (which may not be stellar).
>
>
> >From: "Edge-Gaming.com Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >To: 
> >Subject: [hlds] Pingboost
> >Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:55:45 -0700
> >
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >--
> >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >Whats the pingboost command in the command line?
> >
> >-pingboost 1?
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RE: [hlds] Pingboost

[Philipp G.]

1 through 3 for the "built in ping booster" (which may not be stellar).



From: "Edge-Gaming.com Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
To: 
Subject: [hlds] Pingboost
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:55:45 -0700

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Whats the pingboost command in the command line?

-pingboost 1?
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RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?

[Philipp G.]

From what I've heard from others, it seems to be directly related to the AMD

processors themselves (although the linux srcds surely isn't helping
either). I can't give a direct performance related comparison, but I know of
many people that have done so; the intel based systems showed more stability
when it came to source (remember, we're talking source here, I'm not bashing
opterons for other uses), and, in addition, windows 2k3 does seem to prove a
more stable environment (however, to my knowledge, the benchmarks were
conducted seperately, so I can't say the intel+linux is better than the
amd+win2k3 or whatnot), minus the occaisional memory referencing error that
we have on some of our dedicated boxes (bump: if anyone knows a fix for
[EMAIL PROTECTED])
Phil



From: "blkraven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: 
Subject: RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:28:32 +0200

In reply to Tef:

Yes I was referring to tic rate, high tic rate servers use much more cpu
resources.

I can only correlate to what we use; we run Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon 64bit machines
with windows 2003 server as an OS. We use an irc eggdrop to be able to get
more server fps out of the HL engine, we tried flash apps and hlbooster in
the past but up to this date I prefer eggdrop as it gives the most stable
fps.

HL servers above ~16slots that use high tic rates and server fps; use
between 16 and 24% cpu on our servers.

U say u wants to run 4 24 player servers on high tic rates.
So then u would need a system that's a bit more powerful, then a dual xeon
2.8 GHz.

I would go with AMD Opteron, they can handle more load continuasly before
performance drops and they have a lower internal latency, also u can put
dual core opteron cpu's (these are really 2 cpu's in one cpu package) in
the
same motherboard as single core opterons.

If u were to go with Xeons, and u would like to upgrade your system to the
upcoming dual core xeon's, u would also need to buy another motherboard.

So besides more performance and lower latency, u also get a more scalable
system if u are going to use AMD.

We bought our Xeon machines last year, in the assumption we could stick
dual
core xeon's in them once they were available, unfortunately intel is going
to use a different chipset to support their dual core cpu's (so much for
scalability).

If I were u I would be looking for a server with one dual core Opteron 265
or 270 in it.
It would be enough to run your 4 servers, and u could later put another
dual
core Opteron cpu in it, so u can run even more servers on the system.

Supermicro sells pre-build Intel and Amd systems, aswell as barebone
systems
(barebone: server case with installed motherboard and accessories, so u
only
need to drop in the cpu's, ram and harddrive/s).
U could contact Supermicro www.supermicro.com and ask them if they know
about any supermicro  authorized system integrator in the UK.


In reply to Phil:
Is this memory leak only in combination Linux Opteron, or also with Windows
Opteron?
And how fast does it leak, Could it be prevented by resetting the servers
every night?




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp G.
Sent: vrijdag 9 september 2005 1:02
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?

I don't have anything written on hand per se, but I can point out that
several GSP's (most notably probably hd-gaming.com) have given up hosting
source due it's insane environment (quite coincidentally, companies that
use
the linux version on opteron processors ;) ).
I'm sure that more to support this argument could be found by browsing the
steam forums.
Phil


>From: "dexion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?
>Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:31:04 -0400
>
>I was toying with building an opteron dc system up until now ive been
using
>dual xeons but with dell's stupid 50% price increase I was thinking of
>trying an opt. Do you have any data or info about amd's problems with
>source?
>dex
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Philipp G.
>Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:21 PM
>To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>Subject: RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?
>
>
>Remember that the OS you're running will have a significant impact on
>performance, considering you plan to run srcds (linux seems to have a CPU
>load issue with the current srcds, while windows does not). In addition,
>remember not to jump on the AMD bandwagon; right now AMD based processors
>(athlon and opteron) are showing significant memory leaks when it comes
to
>source.
>Begin the flames.
>
>
> &

RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?

[Philipp G.]

I don't have anything written on hand per se, but I can point out that
several GSP's (most notably probably hd-gaming.com) have given up hosting
source due it's insane environment (quite coincidentally, companies that use
the linux version on opteron processors ;) ).
I'm sure that more to support this argument could be found by browsing the
steam forums.
Phil



From: "dexion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
To: 
Subject: RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:31:04 -0400

I was toying with building an opteron dc system up until now ive been using
dual xeons but with dell's stupid 50% price increase I was thinking of
trying an opt. Do you have any data or info about amd's problems with
source?
dex


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Philipp G.
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:21 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?


Remember that the OS you're running will have a significant impact on
performance, considering you plan to run srcds (linux seems to have a CPU
load issue with the current srcds, while windows does not). In addition,
remember not to jump on the AMD bandwagon; right now AMD based processors
(athlon and opteron) are showing significant memory leaks when it comes to
source.
Begin the flames.


>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?
>Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:29:12 +0100
>
>Hi, thanks for your replies guys, most enlightening
>
> > Obviously if someone asks about running servers on a given
> > server specification and he don't state he wants to run his
> > game servers boosted, then I will reply assuming default
> > values will be used.
> >
> > In the case that the person starting this thread wants to use
> > boosted servers, even 100 player slots would be asking too
> > much from any Xeon machine.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean by "boosted".  I would like high performance,
>yes.
>I am thinking of 66 tick rate servers if that what you mean?
>The aim is to run 4 x 24 man cs:S servers on there.
>
>Would a single cpu, dual core opteron (and what speed?) be better than
dual
>xeon processors (not 1 dual core)?
>
>Also, here's a potential problem.  I would want pre built and with the
same
>sort of support you get from Dell - 3 yr next day as a minimum - within
the
>UK.
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Tef.
>
>
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RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?

[Philipp G.]

Remember that the OS you're running will have a significant impact on
performance, considering you plan to run srcds (linux seems to have a CPU
load issue with the current srcds, while windows does not). In addition,
remember not to jump on the AMD bandwagon; right now AMD based processors
(athlon and opteron) are showing significant memory leaks when it comes to
source.
Begin the flames.



From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
To: 
Subject: RE: [hlds] 100 player slot server spec?
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:29:12 +0100

Hi, thanks for your replies guys, most enlightening

> Obviously if someone asks about running servers on a given
> server specification and he don't state he wants to run his
> game servers boosted, then I will reply assuming default
> values will be used.
>
> In the case that the person starting this thread wants to use
> boosted servers, even 100 player slots would be asking too
> much from any Xeon machine.

I'm not sure what you mean by "boosted".  I would like high performance,
yes.
I am thinking of 66 tick rate servers if that what you mean?
The aim is to run 4 x 24 man cs:S servers on there.

Would a single cpu, dual core opteron (and what speed?) be better than dual
xeon processors (not 1 dual core)?

Also, here's a potential problem.  I would want pre built and with the same
sort of support you get from Dell - 3 yr next day as a minimum - within the
UK.

Many thanks,

Tef.


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RE: [hlds] Re: mp_showhitboxes

[Philipp G.]

Because it's a listen server only feature (it uses a backchannel to
directly inject data into the systems video card, streaming that over
the network would blow up the dedicated server).
That's OK, I'm sure a datacenter facility's intricate fire suppressant
system can handle that.
From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
To: 
Subject: RE: [hlds] Re: mp_showhitboxes
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:54:07 -0700
Because it's a listen server only feature (it uses a backchannel to
directly inject data into the systems video card, streaming that over
the network would blow up the dedicated server).
- Alfred
Original Message
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Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:41 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Re: mp_showhitboxes
> Thanks alfred taht was pretty neat but WHY cant we enable that on
> dedicated servers? mp_showhitboxes only works on listen.
>
> Please?
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Re: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows)

[Philipp G.]

That is true, my tests have shown that resources required increase
exponentially after 18 slots.
From: Ian mu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: Many slots versus few slots... (was [hlds] Switching from
Linux to Windows)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:40:07 +
Yeah depends what kind of sweet spot you're talking about ;). I'd
probably say 12-14 is pretty sweet performance wise, and we don't ever
do any servers over 20 slots. More than than probably 18 they start to
deteriorate slowly, but having said that they're also easier to keep
going number of players on server wise, as often 10/12 slot servers
fluctuate too much in player numbers actually on server.
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Re: [hlds] How to tell who did the kicking?

[Philipp G.]

Yep, in addition, HLSW (what many server admins will use) also has a similar
"flags", trying to reroute the logs to the admin's IP.
From: Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] How to tell who did the kicking?
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:34:34 +1100
There ought to be an earlier entry saying something like IP address
put in rcon password  or something
That will be who has rcon
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:22:48 -0700, Ook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are a bunch of entries in my log like this:
>
> L 02/21/2005 - 16:08:06: Kick: "Goat<75><>" was
kicked by
> "Console"
>
> I'm assuming one of my admins did the kicking. Is there any way to tell
who
> it was that did the kicking? I gave one of my admins rcon for a while,
and
> I'm thinking that this particular log entry could only be from an rcon
kick,
> not an admin mod kick?
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RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

[Philipp G.]

Couldn't help myself, stupid replies get stupid answers ;)

From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: 
Subject: RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:43:02 -0800
That language is not appropriate on this list.
- Alfred
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp G.
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:21 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows
Why don't you go play hide and go fuck yourself.
>From: wArgOd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows
>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:06:19 -0500
>
>m0gely wrote:
>
>>P.S.  Don't cuss at me.  I only disagree.
>>
>>--
>>- m0gely
>>http://quake2.telestream.com/
>>Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike
>
>I only cuss at Ray because he holds a grudge against me and my bro's.
>;-)
>
>If and when I get a full load while I am watching I will take a
screenie.
>
>Fact is, servers are seldom full.
>The average is less than 3 players per server across the 18,000 CSS
>servers running at any given time. (40,000 players divided by 18,000
>servers)
>
>So wtf is with these guys bitching about servers that are not full?
>
>They oversell their servers as much as the airlines overbook seats.
>
>But me? I'm a bad guy because I don't charge for my servers just so I
>can thumb my nose at them.
>They know it and I keep saying it so they will attack anything I say.
>
>Run the specs, check the facts, do the math. screw everybody else. It's
>your server(s) after all.
>
>
>
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Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

[Philipp G.]

Why don't you go play hide and go fuck yourself.
From: wArgOd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:06:19 -0500
m0gely wrote:
P.S.  Don't cuss at me.  I only disagree.
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I only cuss at Ray because he holds a grudge against me and my bro's.
;-)
If and when I get a full load while I am watching I will take a screenie.
Fact is, servers are seldom full.
The average is less than 3 players per server across the 18,000 CSS
servers running at any given time. (40,000 players divided by 18,000
servers)
So wtf is with these guys bitching about servers that are not full?
They oversell their servers as much as the airlines overbook seats.
But me? I'm a bad guy because I don't charge for my servers just so I
can thumb my nose at them.
They know it and I keep saying it so they will attack anything I say.
Run the specs, check the facts, do the math. screw everybody else. It's
your server(s) after all.

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RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

[Philipp G.]

we're all fools when it comes down to it, especially you, Mr. Robinett.
From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:36:53 -0500
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Why bother replying Ray? I know he's a fool. You know he's a fool.
Majority of the hlds list knows he's a fool.  You just can't convince a
fool he's a fool.
-
Shane
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:48 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows

LOL...I can't resist this one. :D Your fresh out of high school here
kid?
They teach you that in home room. Flaming aside, you can't POSSIBLY host
200
slots on that server with what your screenshot shows. You're a dreamer
kiddo. It's GSPs that give Valve customers a place to play so it'd be
nice
if they'd cater to us for a change. I've got plenty of comprehension of
the
Valve HLDS and SRCDS to know what it can and can't do. I've got a few
dual
Xeons kicking around and various P4 setups that say you can't host 358
slots
of ANY Valve game on it. 200 slots my white hairy old ass kid. Pipe is
not
the issue here and your "rate" edits you claim has zero to do with a
CPU's
ability to run a single-threaded program like HLDS on it to your
day-dream
specs. Maybe you just fired a bunch of empty LAN servers to try to
impress
us here but the fact plainly remains youngster. That box is showing 35
players on it and it's at 48% CPU. And for the sake of agument you can't
run
this particular program with load balancing to another machine even in
the
next rack-slot above it without inducing the lag that you claim you
don't
have. I know damn good and well they don't make a single processor
computer
that can take that load in this game server.
Your flames are baseless, childish and make you look even more of what I
claimed to begin with. Just some punk kid out of high school or college
thinking he can change the world. Well I got my oldest about out of high
school soon so I'm familiar with the sharp tongues you runts have
nowadays
cuz the government frowns on us beating your ass like you probably
deserve.
Simply take your pipe dreams and your visions of fame to something you
might
happen to know something about cuz it's obviously not HLDS hosting by a
long
shot.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wArgOd
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:22 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Switching from Linux to Windows


what an impressive pile of feces you are.

what you don't see is how i am not dead in the water when i have 200+
players.

nor do you have enough comprehension of my server's capabilities to
comprehend load balancing.

nor do you know shit about clocks or the "importance" of the clock
display to the game servers.

but then again, since i don't "rent servers" and try to make money off
VALVe's back, I dont give a fuck about you or your dumb fucking tard ass
comments.

my vote is for VALVe and all other game vendors to sue all game hosters
for royalties.

and my decades of experience running many types of simulation servers
has your pitiful 23 year old punk ass in the shitter eating your shit
lunch where you belong fucktard.

you are a worthless primadonna bullshitting asshole standing tall upon
the shoulders of all those who write the software whom you owe money too
in royalties in the not too distant future numbnutz. oh, you don't have
any balls do you mr. sniveling queer-bait.

ROFMAO
[EMAIL PROTECTED] the suckass server slimer wrote:

>What I see is 35 players of 358 player slots and your CPU at 48%. I
don't
>care HOW much you claim your voodoo magic can accomplish. By my figures
and
>your screenshot you'd be dead in the water at less than a third of your
>capacity and it's idiots like you that make our services so much the
better.
>I also note the time on the system at 1AM. HA HA!!! How about you take
a
>peek at your dying system, if it has enough resources to let you RDC
into
it
>that is, on a Friday night while you're ignoring your email/IM
complaints
>that your server 'is a piece', as the kids like to say about providers
like
>you, and post your screenshots then. How about let it get 80 players
and
you
>take the same screenshot. You're a complete idiot and I can say that
from
>the bottom of my heart and from years of knowledge running servers. You
were
>an idiot when you made the claim and you just proved it to every HLDS
>operator in this list. GG!
>
>
>


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Re: [hlds] Server Hardware

[Philipp G.]

dean, go for a dual if you can afford the difference, they'll offer you the
most bang for the buck (when you compare single, dual and quad boxes).
From: Dean Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Hardware
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:33:50 +
> every server uses between 50 to 120 MB of ram depending on running map
Thats extremely useful, thank you.
I was going to post this same question to the linux list, I hope I
don't annoy the many people who probably subscribe to both.
Dean
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RE: [hlds] Restart Crashed Server

[Philipp G.]

I haven't used it myself, but I remember firedaemon for linux.
From: "Megatron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [hlds] Restart Crashed Server
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:00:51 -0800
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Those of you using Serverdoc to monitor your servers probably already know
that the free version unexpectedly expired on 01 Jan 05.
The author is away until 06 Jan 05. Oh well, it's free.
I like it because it has the ability to restart crashed or locked-up
servers.
What are some alternatives to Serverdoc for monitoring HLDS servers?

Megatron


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RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update

[Philipp G.]

Cry me a river.
From: "Ray Spaulding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:07:16 -0500
Or maybe I'm just burned out from the years of profuse ignorance and
ineptitude. I got clients screeming in my ear about all these game issue.
I'm pretty sure my patience, respect and tenderness are things of the past
at this point. When I see that the game all these people paid for is
finally
completed with the features they're suppose to have in them working
correctly and the issues that befall the GSPs and game admins addresses I
might then become a bit more inclined to not look at Valve with disgust.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp G.
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 8:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update
"The money is still fucked up. Players start with 1,600. GG"
Normally, when trying to get something from someone, you show some kind of
respect or tenderness, but then again, you might be too l33t for that.
>From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update
>Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:46:28 -0500
>
>Let's keep things in context. "This really needs to get fixed" -- this
>bug is nothing compared to no RCON or +IP working.-
>
>Shane
>PHXX.NET
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>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lord Devil
>Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 7:40 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update
>
>[ Converted text/html to text/plain ]
>
>I can verify the problem, but its strange, not everyone gets the 1600
>Startmoney (just some) so its very unfair! This really needs to get
>fixed...
>
>
>
>LG,
>
>LD
>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:28:36 +0100, Micha Vermeer wrote:
> > I've put mp_startmoney 800 in my server.cfg as a workaround, then
> > still i get 1600 when im the only one, but as soon as a round
> > starts we only get 800...
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray
> > Spaulding Sent: zaterdag 18 december 2004 2:41 To:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated
> > Server update
> >
> > The money is still fucked up. Players start with 1,600. GG
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred
> > Reynolds Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:25 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update
> >
> > Also note that the correct syntax for specifying the ip and port to
> > bind to for the server now is:
> >
> > -port  -ip 
> >
> > For example:
> > -port 27040 -ip 127.0.0.1
> >
> > Note that +port and +ip will also work but shouldn't be used as
> > their use is deprecated.
> >
> > - Alfred
> >
> > Original Message
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred
> > Reynolds Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:20 PM To:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Source
> > Dedicated Server update
> >
> >> We have released an update to the Source Dedicated server. To get
> >> this update run the hldsupdatetool.
> >>
> >> This update fixes the +ip command line parameter not working.
> >> More details can be found here:
> >> http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=378[4]
> >>
> >>
> >> - Alfred
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RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update

[Philipp G.]

"The money is still fucked up. Players start with 1,600. GG"
Normally, when trying to get something from someone, you show some kind of
respect or tenderness, but then again, you might be too l33t for that.

From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:46:28 -0500
Let's keep things in context. "This really needs to get fixed" -- this
bug is nothing compared to no RCON or +IP working.-
Shane
PHXX.NET
W00t.net
Simple-share.com
ILoveBrittany.com

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Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 7:40 AM
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Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update
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I can verify the problem, but its strange, not everyone gets the 1600
Startmoney (just some) so its very unfair! This really needs to get
fixed...

LG,
LD
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:28:36 +0100, Micha Vermeer wrote:
> I've put mp_startmoney 800 in my server.cfg as a workaround, then
> still i get 1600 when im the only one, but as soon as a round
> starts we only get 800...
>
> Hope that helps
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray
> Spaulding Sent: zaterdag 18 december 2004 2:41 To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated
> Server update
>
> The money is still fucked up. Players start with 1,600. GG
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred
> Reynolds Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Dedicated Server update
>
> Also note that the correct syntax for specifying the ip and port to
> bind to for the server now is:
>
> -port  -ip 
>
> For example:
> -port 27040 -ip 127.0.0.1
>
> Note that +port and +ip will also work but shouldn't be used as
> their use is deprecated.
>
> - Alfred
>
> Original Message
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred
> Reynolds Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:20 PM To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Source
> Dedicated Server update
>
>> We have released an update to the Source Dedicated server. To get
>> this update run the hldsupdatetool.
>>
>> This update fixes the +ip command line parameter not working.
>> More details can be found here:
>> http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=378[4]
>>
>>
>> - Alfred
>>
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Re: [hlds] Redirecting players to another server

[Philipp G.]

doesn't statsme have a similar plugin with it's included statspacks?
Phil

From: m0gely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Redirecting players to another server
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:07:47 -0800
Brandon Dumont - MWEB wrote:
Morning all
Anybody know how to set up a server that would...
A) always keep 2 slots open
B) redirect anybody that joins (when there are only those 2 slots open)
to another server on the same box?
This seems like your best bet:
http://djeyl.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=5301
But there are more:
http://djeyl.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=3843
http://djeyl.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=18327
http://djeyl.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=30132
http://djeyl.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=26602
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Re: [hlds] Hack-ridden servers abound

[Philipp G.]

fuck, that shane goes knows way too much, we're going to need to take, ahem,
care of him.
Now, onto logic, sure there are many people that want to hack, and won't
play if they can't, but have you ever taken into account how many people
that want to play, but can't have a fair game because of hackers, and don't
bother to buy the game, or any of it's sequels.
But, you may be right, and if that's Valve's business motto, no wonder they
have to close all the Sierra dev labs
From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [hlds] Hack-ridden servers abound
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:21:14 -0400
Yes, and the jews caused the airplanes to crash into the towers...
moving on...
- Original Message -
From: "Megatron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Hack-ridden servers abound
> I wouldn't be surprised if we found out that Valve developed and
released
> cheats to their own games. I bet most of the punks out there that cheat
> wouldn't be interested in playing the games if cheats and hacks were not
so
> easily available. Isn't it funny how there are new cheats available only
> hours after a Valve anti-cheat update? They would lose a large percent
of
> their market if players couldn't cheat. It's all about the money!
> (I'm sure I'm on Valve's "bad guy" list now.)
>
> Megatron
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:47 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [hlds] Hack-ridden servers abound
>
>
> Don't get me wrong here, I appreciate the development of new games and
all.
> But is anything going to be done about the amount of cheating in the
Valve
> games. It's getting REAL old cycling through servers trying to find a
place
> that DON'T have speedhackers, aimbots, etc. Out of all the money STEAM
is
> generating it seems plenty to devote a small portion of it to make your
> games FUN and not just full of shootable cans.
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RE: [hlds] Long Time CS Admin request to Valve, please change CSS Default Port

[Philipp G.]

If Alfred says it, it must be true!

From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Long Time CS Admin request to Valve, please change CSS
Default Port
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:51:25 -0700
The port is runs on doesn't matter (the master server reports the full
port, and the LAN tab also works with any port from 27015->27020).
- Alfred
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Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [hlds] Long Time CS Admin request to Valve, please change CSS
Default Port
Long Time CS Admin request to Valve, please change CSS Port
I have been running a very busy CS Server for several years, on the
standard
27015 Port.
Now I see that you have also assigned CSS to the standard port of 27015.
I notice that if I move the CSS Server off of the Standard port I get a
tiny fraction of the player traffic that it gets on the default port.
Can I beg you guys with the next patch to please, please move CSS (and
HL2) to a different default port address??  27020 perhaps ??
I hate to move all my regulars from CS to a different port address, when
they all have it saved as a Favorite.
Since CS:S is new, it makes sense for it to have a slightly different
default port than the older more established game.
Thanks for listening!!
-- Cain


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Re: [hlds] Display Web page on MOTD?

[Philipp G.]

or "../images/planb.jpg"

From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [hlds] Display Web page on MOTD?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:33:41 -0400
I assume /images/planb.jpg is within your game server?
You might want to try

- Original Message -
From: "Bryon Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Display Web page on MOTD?
> Is it possible to get an example of how to load images in the motd.  I
> have tried everything.  Here is currently what I have and its just not
> working.
>
> 
> Enjoy yourself.
> Try to watch your language;
> 6 Team Kills and its have a nice day;
> No Racism!!! Leave that for the KKK Meeting;
> NO SPAWN CAMPING;
> OBSCENE SPRAYS = lifetime ban; 
> I reserve the right to kick you because I can;
> Good Luck, Have Fun
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:06 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [hlds] Display Web page on MOTD?
>
>
> Edit the motd.txt file so that there is only a single line of text: the
> hyperlink that you'd like to be displayed.
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Hey All,
>  Can anyone tell me how to setup the MOTD file so I can
> display my webpage when someone joins my server.
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Re: [hlds] Display Web page on MOTD?

[Philipp G.]

just add a meta refresh tag, have it refresh to your site.
P

From: "{r$r} || mAlFuNcTiOn (rrclan.net)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [hlds] Display Web page on MOTD?
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:09:19 -0700
did you get it??
its an html code of the jog pic file only as far as i know.
example extreme.rrclan.net
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> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --
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> Hey All,
>  Can anyone tell me how to setup the MOTD file so I can
display my webpage when someone joins my server.
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Re: [hlds] 2meg connection?

[Philipp G.]

bald

From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [hlds] 2meg connection?
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:28:28 -0400
10 Megabits  =10,000,000 bits/second to you network guys 'cause ya'll never
bothered going to college and learning what binary notation was.

-
Programmers rock.
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http://www.w00t.net - player search/game search/map search/hot-sex-search
http://www.simple-share.net - share a file..quickly..
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From: "Whisper ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] 2meg connection?
> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ]
>
> 10 Megabits = 10,000,000 bits / Second.
>
> This is Networking, not Programming or Server Administration.
>
> Learn the correct terminology for your field or shut up!
> Original Message Follows
> From: "Chance Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [hlds] 2meg connection?
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:59:26 -0400
> Actaully both are right, but Dave is up to date.
> http://www.atvci.net/bitsandbytes.html
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Garner
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] 2meg connection?
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:51 PM NZT, David Fencik
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2 Mbps = 2048kbps != 2000kbps
> >
> > Dave
> >
> Actually, no, because you're talking about bits not bytes.
> 1Mbit = 1000kbit
> 1MByte = 1024kByte
> -Simon
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RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.

[Philipp G.]

too late, I called dibs

From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:18:52 -0500
Do you need a son?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Cumming
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
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Hiya,
I don't want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has
been
niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else
has
any thoughts or experiences that may help.
Basically the servers in question are these:
3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram.
3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz.
The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed
several tests getting the boxes as full as possible.
Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man,
18man.
The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The
other 2 servers are just running vac.
With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant.
P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man.
The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The
other
2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac
With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42%
All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on
the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45%
of total system cpu.
I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but
from
early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from
memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4
figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have
70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players
on the dual!
Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing
exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players
than the dual.
What do the rest of you think ?
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Re: [hlds] athlon vs pent

[Philipp G.]

since shane believes the p4 is best, you might as well go with the athlonXP
3200.

From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [hlds] athlon vs pent
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:48:51 -0400
p4
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From: "z i p p y" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:18 PM
Subject: [hlds] athlon vs pent
> I going to get a server and have the choice of a
>
> athlon 3200xp
> or
> p4 3ghz 800fsb
>
> they would be run on windows 2000.
>
> Which CPU would be best for the job and why?
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Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?

[Philipp G.]

pff, what does this "Shane Robinett" guy know anyway. Not like he hosts a
major server company or knows much about computers anyway. He's probably
balding for that matter.
-coldfusioN

From: "Shane Robinett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:18:25 -0400
Mike - if you are going to make up stuff, atleast try to have something to
back it up sir!
P4 has multiple branches in the CPU line.  The most recent branches include
P4 Extreme Edition - -more or less targetted at the high-end gaming PC /
Platform. It does include Hyperthreading.  It is built on the 130nm die
size
Most P4 branches do NOT include Hyperthreading.  They have varying die
sizes
, level 2 and level 1 caches.
XEON was built with dual processor servers in mind. XEON includes HT.  It
is
built on a 90nm die -- and it IS NOT a P3. XEON was initially based off the
P4 architecture, then split.. and then they brought the P4 Extreme back
into
line or very similiar to the XEON.
P4 = Workstations, gaming platforms
XEON = Servers
Info about P4 =
http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/processors/pentium4HTXE/
Info about XEON =
http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/xeon/


- Original Message -
From: "Donald Holl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
> To my knowledge all the new Dual Xeons have HyperThreading.
> I have multiple Dual Xeon servers to prove it.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "K. Mike Bradley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
>
>
> > Dave I know peeps here will hate me for continuing on with this but
this
is
> > a forum for issues like this and I must make a point.
> > A Dual Xeon (which is a Pentium 3) does not have HT. That's a Pentium
4
> > thingy.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:33 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
> >
> > I'd like to add that I have said that hlds is not multi-threaded,
which
is,
> > in fact, false.  It is not coded in a way to take advantage of
> > hyperthreading, however.
> >
> > So, perhaps I should have said that hlds is not "hyperthreaded"?
> >
> > I haven't made any benchmarks, but run a fairly large gameserver
hosting
> > company.
> >
> > All of my systems are dual processor.  I have noticed on dual-xeon
systems
> > that hyperthreading will impair the performance of large servers.
> >
> >>From the task manager, a dual proc system with HT will show 4 cpus.
> > Watching the cpu usage of each process, a large server will "bottom
out"
> > at 50% of a cpu (25% at the task manager, during 32 player avalanche,
for
> > example).  When this happens, the server lags out.
> >
> > The fix is to disable hyperthreading, which will allow hlds to use one
full
> > processor if needed.
> >
> > I can imagine that perhaps a smaller server would run better on a
single
> > proc system with hyperthreading enabled, but don't have the means or
desire
> > to test.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven
Hartland
> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:41 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
> >
> > You clearly dont understand how HT works. Here's a brief overview:
> > HT makes a single CPU core look like two CPU's it does this so that
the
OS
> > can schedule additional tasks on the second "virtual" CPU and hence
make
use
> > of potentially idle execution units in the "physical" CPU.
> >
> > The problem comes from at least two potential issues.
> > 1. The "physical" CPU may not have any idle execution units due to the
> > design of the code being run and hence a conflict now exists.
> >
> > 2. The data and or code needed to satisfy the second "virtual" CPU's
process
> > requirements invalidates in some way the data / code for the primary
CPU's
> > process. This causes additional pipeline stalls reducing NOT
increasing
the
> > efficiency of the CPU.
> >
> > So yes HT can help but it does not always help due to the potential
> > conflicts for resources that exist which don't exist in a true SMP
system.
> >
> > Tomshardware has some nice info on this:
> > http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040528/index.html
> >
> >Steve / K
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "K. Mike Bradley"
> >
> >> I am going to try this one more time.
> >>
> >> Again,   the Operating system HAS THREADS TOO !
> >>
> >> I AM PRETTY SURE THE OS HAS AT LEAST ONE THREAD 
> >> Lets pick the csrss.exe (Client server run time sub system) process
> > (which
> >> btw services win32 calls ... Something HLDS.exe needs).
>

RE: [hlds] Re: Document

[Philipp G.]

that's crazy erik guy, always wanting to screw us over

From: "spartibus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Re: Document
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:08:47 -0700
sigh
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 6:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [hlds] Re: Document
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RE: [hlds] Bandwidth woes and where to colo?

[Philipp G.]

The Planet and ServerMatrix, to my knowledge, are both operated by the same
company, The Planet's bandwidth is more quality geared, while ServerMatrix
more value, but don't get me wrong, ServerMatrix offers a great
performance/price ratio with adequate hardware available for lease.

From: "Timothy Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Bandwidth woes and where to colo?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:43:58 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> OK, I am at an all time low. Life just doesn't get any worse then
> this. I have had to resort to a residential cable modem account
> because the business cable accounts are horribly over priced, and my
> phone lines are crap. I am majorly depressed.
>
> So, either Ooks Steaming Pile of  Crap dies, or I find some other
> place to host it. Any recommendations?
I know the other guys said The Planet, but this company is part of 'em,
and their dedicated server deals are definitely worth checking out.
http://www.servermatrix.com/servers.html
We went with one of these rather than colo. The hardware was comparable,
but we ended up with more bandwidth than the colo plans offered, and at
a cheaper price. Service and support have been awesome in the few months
we've been with 'em.
There was a weird temporary outage today though. Both Server Matrix and
The Planet fell off the face of the earth for a few minutes, then
everything came back. First outage we've had with 'em though.
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