RE: [hlds] RANT: VAC2 servers....

2005-04-26 Thread Alfred Reynolds
All servers are currently running a test of the VAC2 code (in particular
the new connection subsystem). We are currently debugging a problem
where a small number of users (a few percent) are not able to log into
the new system. Until we find and fix the problem a wider rollout of
more VAC2 specific functionality is not possible.

- Alfred

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wierd dejavu there


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Re: [hlds] RANT: VAC2 servers....

2005-04-26 Thread trickyb
wierd dejavu there
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RE: [hlds] RANT: VAC2 servers....

2005-04-26 Thread Alfred Reynolds
"are we" = "as we", coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

- Alfred

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We will be ramping up the number of secure servers as we finish various
testing phases. As said previously, more details will be provided to
this list are we extend the scope of testing.

- Alfred

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Alpha is in-house testing, beta is public testing. Don't you think it's
better to test on a small amount of servers (since beta is usually
limited to a certain amount of testers) and work out any kinks
VAC2 may have? Once the developers feel the system is ready, they will
release it and hopefully it will catch all the bad players out there and
teach em right from wrong.

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RE: [hlds] RANT: VAC2 servers....

2005-04-26 Thread Alfred Reynolds
We will be ramping up the number of secure servers as we finish various
testing phases. As said previously, more details will be provided to
this list are we extend the scope of testing.

- Alfred

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Alpha is in-house testing, beta is public testing. Don't you think it's
better to test on a small amount of servers (since beta is usually
limited to a certain amount of testers) and work out any kinks
VAC2 may have? Once the developers feel the system is ready, they will
release it and hopefully it will catch all the bad players out there and
teach em right from wrong.

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Re: [hlds] RANT: VAC2 servers....

2005-04-26 Thread Renzo Rosales
Alpha is in-house testing, beta is public testing. Don't you think
it's better to test on a small amount of servers (since beta is
usually limited to a certain amount of testers) and work out any kinks
VAC2 may have? Once the developers feel the system is ready, they will
release it and hopefully it will catch all the bad players out there
and teach em right from wrong.

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Re: [hlds] RANT: VAC2 servers....

2005-04-26 Thread Graham Robinson
Moan Moan Moan.

Seeing as the options to be VAC secure haven't been released and
Alfred has already commented on list and on forum about it being a
glitch that it showed as secure, and steambans said that VAC is being
tested on servers that don't actually show as secure... maybe you
should wait a little longer before complaining.

> Last time I checked a "beta test" was to include more then just one group.
> Its distributed to multiple platforms to test various server configurations.
> This is done to ensure that MOST of the bugs are worked out and the software
> is stable across multiple platforms. I think back to the days of steam
> beta.gee that wasn't an exclusive beta test. Not one SOLE group, but
> multiple groups.

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RE: [hlds] RANT: VAC2 servers....

2005-04-26 Thread Alexander Kobbevik
I thought the beta testing was collecting data from many many
servers(clients?), but when the server shows up as VAC secure; it will have
VAC acctivated and ready to ban?

Sounded like that to me atleast...
As usual I might be wrong.

Maybe those servers you found was the first three to go into the next stage
of the testing, as Alfred informed about?

-Alexander


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I got curious last night and decided I wanted to find out what servers are
part of the esteemed "beta test" for VAC2.



What I have found left me speechless for a few hours to say the least..



Only one set of servers has vac2 that I can see.These servers are all
identified with The-Space as the first part of their title.

3 of them to be exact.

66.93.87.42:27015

66.93.87.41:27015

66.81.7.226:27015



And NONE of them are central or east. Get this ALL west.

I did a trace. Apparently these are all speakeasy.net ips. Now I know that
Seattle is where Valve headquarters are/is (The ips traced to seattle
Washington speakeasy.net), however to my knowledge they are not "The-Space".
One can only wonder who this server owner sucked off to get to be part of
this "exclusive" beta test. Bet odds its someone who curries favor with the
vac2 developers. I mean how does one get to say exclusively.I run the only
anticheat for this game, no other server in the world can say that. Is that
fair to the community in general? Not in my opinion.



They said it started logging already. But logging only 3 servers out of how
many? I bet the logs are about 100k in size. Couldn't be any larger, those
servers don't get much traffic. I know I've been watching them since I
discovered there existence.



And one can only wonder how many servers will crash with vac2 because of the
sole server group being used as a test pool. I can only wonder at the
incompetence of this.



Is Valve prepared for catastrophe on "live day"? You only have to do the
math to draw the same conclusion I did. 1,000s of servers + 1,000s of server
configurations x 5 or 6 (types of operating systems) = good odds live day
will be a disaster testing on only one server pool with the same exact
server configuration.



Last time I checked a "beta test" was to include more then just one group.
Its distributed to multiple platforms to test various server configurations.
This is done to ensure that MOST of the bugs are worked out and the software
is stable across multiple platforms. I think back to the days of steam
beta.gee that wasn't an exclusive beta test. Not one SOLE group, but
multiple groups.



Last time I checked tests were not done on one small group out of 1,000s of
server operators out there.



Think we may shutdown our 2.0 servers and replace them with BattleField2
servers come june.  More money to be made in a game that doesn't
discriminate against its customers. Their anticheat is tested across a broad
number of platforms before being rolled out not just one groups.



To you flamers that just want to say go play that other game then. I will.
8)



-StealthMode



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[hlds] RANT: VAC2 servers....

2005-04-25 Thread StealthMode
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I got curious last night and decided I wanted to find out what servers are
part of the esteemed "beta test" for VAC2.



What I have found left me speechless for a few hours to say the least..



Only one set of servers has vac2 that I can see.These servers are all
identified with The-Space as the first part of their title.

3 of them to be exact.

66.93.87.42:27015

66.93.87.41:27015

66.81.7.226:27015



And NONE of them are central or east. Get this ALL west.

I did a trace. Apparently these are all speakeasy.net ips. Now I know that
Seattle is where Valve headquarters are/is (The ips traced to seattle
Washington speakeasy.net), however to my knowledge they are not "The-Space".
One can only wonder who this server owner sucked off to get to be part of
this "exclusive" beta test. Bet odds its someone who curries favor with the
vac2 developers. I mean how does one get to say exclusively.I run the only
anticheat for this game, no other server in the world can say that. Is that
fair to the community in general? Not in my opinion.



They said it started logging already. But logging only 3 servers out of how
many? I bet the logs are about 100k in size. Couldn't be any larger, those
servers don't get much traffic. I know I've been watching them since I
discovered there existence.



And one can only wonder how many servers will crash with vac2 because of the
sole server group being used as a test pool. I can only wonder at the
incompetence of this.



Is Valve prepared for catastrophe on "live day"? You only have to do the
math to draw the same conclusion I did. 1,000s of servers + 1,000s of server
configurations x 5 or 6 (types of operating systems) = good odds live day
will be a disaster testing on only one server pool with the same exact
server configuration.



Last time I checked a "beta test" was to include more then just one group.
Its distributed to multiple platforms to test various server configurations.
This is done to ensure that MOST of the bugs are worked out and the software
is stable across multiple platforms. I think back to the days of steam
beta.gee that wasn't an exclusive beta test. Not one SOLE group, but
multiple groups.



Last time I checked tests were not done on one small group out of 1,000s of
server operators out there.



Think we may shutdown our 2.0 servers and replace them with BattleField2
servers come june.  More money to be made in a game that doesn't
discriminate against its customers. Their anticheat is tested across a broad
number of platforms before being rolled out not just one groups.



To you flamers that just want to say go play that other game then. I will.
8)



-StealthMode



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