Re: [hlds_linux] 1.6 Net Code?
Yes it does. I believe you are getting confused with DSL modems, which are really routers. For more information, please see http://www.howstuffworks.com/cable-modem.htm Dave On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 18:28, Jared Eischen wrote: > Even though it's called a "modem", technically it is not because it does not > convert analog -> digital and vice versa. > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam 'Starblazer' Romberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 1.6 Net Code? > > > > *looks at his cable MODEM* > > > > ;) > > > > Sorry, couldn't resist. > > > > Thanks > > > > -a- > > > > > > > > > > Adam 'Starblazer' Romberg Appleton: 920-738-9032 > > System Administrator > > ExtremePC LLC-=- http://www.extremepcgaming.net > > > > On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Jeff Dupler wrote: > > > > > I agree about this CPU problem, we pay almost $200.00 a month for our > DOD > > > server. Seems to me the worse ping you have the better your chance to > get > > > the kill, no one has modems anymore let's go back to the old Pre 1.5 > netcode > > > when you could run hlds on a P2. > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam)
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thank you Erik, 1 Question, im sure your bogged down with questions but will the Client predication bug be addressed in this release? CPU problems aside the reason why most TFC servers are unning hlds1110 still is because concing and hitscan reg with the ssg is next to impossible at times and its kinda worrying to think that we will have to use a version we know doesnt work how one would expect. It may of been asked already but with so much going on I havent seen it? Best regards John Porter Erik Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We're working on it now. -Original Message- From: Brian A. Stumm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:21 PM To: Half-Life Dedicated Linux Server Mailing List Cc: Half-Life Dedicated Server Annoucement Mailing List; Half-Life Dedicated Server Mailing List; Half-Life Dedicated Server Applications Mailing List; Eric Smith; Erik Johnson; Leon Hartwig Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam) On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Alfred Reynolds wrote: > Timeline: > We will be releasing the dedicated server binaries later today. > Tomorrow we will be releasing the client. > In a couple of weeks we will make this update mandatory. Ok so I've been awaiting news on the "later today" release. Are we supposed to know were to look or is someone planing to tell us? Steampowered.com refers to client version available on the 10th, so where do we get the server versions? I'm even on Valve Time and today ends in 1 hour and 45 minutes... Hello? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam)
erf valve wakup at 8H -5 GMT :( - Original Message - From: "Erik Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Brian A. Stumm'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Half-Life Dedicated Linux Server Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Half-Life Dedicated Server Annoucement Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Half-Life Dedicated Server Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Half-Life Dedicated Server Applications Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Eric Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Erik Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Leon Hartwig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:46 AM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam) > We're working on it now. > > -Original Message- > From: Brian A. Stumm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:21 PM > To: Half-Life Dedicated Linux Server Mailing List > Cc: Half-Life Dedicated Server Annoucement Mailing List; Half-Life > Dedicated Server Mailing List; Half-Life Dedicated Server Applications > Mailing List; Eric Smith; Erik Johnson; Leon Hartwig > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam) > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Alfred Reynolds wrote: > > > Timeline: > > We will be releasing the dedicated server binaries later today. > > Tomorrow we will be releasing the client. > > In a couple of weeks we will make this update mandatory. > > Ok so I've been awaiting news on the "later today" release. Are we > supposed to know were to look or is someone planing to tell us? > Steampowered.com refers to client version available on the 10th, so where > do we get the server versions? I'm even on Valve Time and today ends in 1 > hour and 45 minutes... Hello? > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam)
I don't trust them and we don't make enough money off gameservers to go through a transition like what I know is coming. I honestly feel sorry for the big hosting companies looking at this same scenario with knots in their guts. Good freaking luck guys, we are going to throw our support behind BF1942. We are seriously considering this move due to the nature of things atm. As Denmarks biggest CW/PCW hosting company we feel like our carpet has been pulled under us by Valve. When we started out we could run 4 x 10 player CS servers on a machine, today we are forced to downsize to two servers pr. machine. In other numbers: Valve has reduced our possible income by 50% Alfred/anyone else at valve, please read that again - you have practically forced us out of HL business. We're still hanging on, but business-wise we are losing money because of your changes. Valve, please respond what your plans are, if any - for fixing this serious problem. Regards, Mikkel "Miklos" Georgsen Clanhost.dk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] RE: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #2656 - 14 msgs
> The way I understood it, VAC bans were supposed to be lifted after a set > period based on your number of violations anyways. Not banning users > until 2008 for 1 infraction... > > Anyways, If VAC caught people for cheating and those people cheat again, > then VAC will catch them again. Nothing lost. Then what was the point of VAC until now? Just to ban ppl until valve feels like changing stuff around? -a- Adam 'Starblazer' Romberg Appleton: 920-738-9032 System Administrator ExtremePC LLC-=- http://www.extremepcgaming.net ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam)
>Timeline: >We will be releasing the dedicated server binaries later today. >Tomorrow we will be releasing the client. >In a couple of weeks we will make this update mandatory. Well I guess the server binaries are waiting till tomorrow too? As it is tomorrow in TX. I need a life and need to stop sitting here waiting for it :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] auto team balance by skill requested in CS
No way, just more cpu usage. Features should now be capped, enough as is. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam)
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:47 PM [GMT+1200=NZT], [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I doubt it. Im sure they will use 1.5 since it's set for lan. Im sure > most lans will continue to use 1.5. > Yes, that's what I'm saying. But if they disable WON before then it will cause havoc with the HLTVs. -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam)
Has anybody tested Steam with wine during any of these Betas? I rid myself of Windoze several months ago and I'm suddenly very nervous that I will no longer be able to play :-/ -Mad -- "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] HLDS Version
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Althought I know its a little bit late to ask you this, because of the releasing of Steam and CS 1.6, but tell me, what is the best HLDS version for linux, 3110 or 3111x ? I know that them must have some advantages, but i read a lot of emails saying something like this: "Oh, last week I downgrade to 3110" "I actually use 3110" this stuff I´m in doubt on it because the last (at least i think it is) version is 3111d . And, about that recent exploit that causes overflow in hlds´ later than 3111d ? thx -- MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. Faça o seu agora. [1] ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMUBRBR/2728??PS= ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS files
interesting, the Athlon 2500+ is a barton core processor running not significantly faster (mhz) than a 2200+ but bringing other advantages such as 512kb of L2 vs 256 and 333mhz FSB vs 266. I'm running a 2800+ barton core as my NS server and have seen some surprisingly good cpu utilisation from a known cpu pig wonder if there's something more to it or just that the barton athlon is the potential hlds cpu of choice. Matt D >On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Alfred Reynolds wrote: > >> It appears that the performance problem is predominantly on INTEL CPUs (I >> have reports of AMD cpus running at 1/3rd the CPU usage of the i686 build). > >I can believe that. > >http://bs-linux.com/hlds_stats/ <- daily and weekly graphical reports from >an AMD 2500+ hosting two 14 max tfc servers. Just to add to your figures. > > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam)
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Re: [hlds_linux] HLTV
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] >From: "Marcos Dias" >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: >Subject: [hlds_linux] HLTV >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:34:20 -0300 > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >-- >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >Hello folks! > >Some one have a good HLTV tutorial that explain how to use HLTV witch C-D ? > >[]'s > >^Marcos >www.netrangers.com.br >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >-- > > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux people, im sorry but i´ll talk with him in portuguese marcos, pq vc precisa do C-Dno HLTV? ou foi isso q eu entendi.. qq coisa pega icq ae 204408 q te explico... -- MSN Messenger: converse com os seus amigos online. Instale grátis. Clique aqui. [1] ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMUBRBR/2746??PS= ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam)
->-Original Message- ->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alfred ->Reynolds ->Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:03 PM ->To: Half-Life Dedicated Linux Server Mailing List; Half-Life Dedicated ->Server Annoucement Mailing List; Half-Life Dedicated Server Mailing ->List; Half-Life Dedicated Server Applications Mailing List ->Cc: Eric Smith; Erik Johnson; Leon Hartwig ->Subject: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam) -> Steam Issues: Q: Can I use Steam with a modem? A: Yes, steam will work for modem users. Q: Is WON going away? A: Yes, once we have completed the rollover we will slowly remove parts of the WON system as they become obsolete. Q: Has the net code been changed since the beta? A: No, apart from small bug fixes. Q: Will my existing 3rd party programs work (i.e Admin Mod, CDeath, ...). A: In general yes, all existing 3rd party programs can still work under Steam. The individual authors of each program will need to inform their users of any install directory or configuration changes. Q: Do I need to alter my firewall setup? A: Steam requires some extra ports to be opened for outgoing access, read this page for details: http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=faq&id=1050915505,27362300,105091 5726,98098300 Q: What happens to my current banlist? A: Everyone will be getting assigned a new Steam ID and it will not be possible to convert old banlists. any answers about the lan w/o internet questions? yes, no, working on it? in the "couple weeks" mentioned at the top, does that mean 1.6 will then become the "release" version of CS? kev ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] HLDS files
>I disagree here, FreeBSD users doesn't need to single-user their >machines to upgrade a compatible environment. And if FreeBSD are really >important, provide them with a native one HLDS server. If binary *is* >for Linux with the *option* to run in BSD in a *compatible emulation*, >who need to keep compatible are BSD users, not Linux folks. By the looks of it, do you want to start a flame about who's more important ? - Drew ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Slow list server
Explains the weird messages from people apparently talking about things from some time ago :p Cheers, Scott ___ Scott Pettit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+64) 0274 926 665 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2003 6:03 p.m. To: Half-Life Dedicated Linux Server Mailing List Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Slow list server There was a DNS configuration issue with the machine (it was taking an usually long time to resolve domains) causing the mail delivery to slow right down. We have found and fixed the problem and the backlog is clearing as we speak. - Alfred Scott Pettit wrote: > I'm sure it's not just me, lately (the last few weeks) I've noticed > people are either becoming stupid and replying to a 3 day old post > without reading the most recent or the server has become somewhat > delayed. For example when I send a message to the list it takes a > good few hours or even a day before I see it. > > Is anyone else noticing it? > > Cheers, > > Scott > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Slow list server
Yes, I'm having the same problem. - Original Message - From: "Scott Pettit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:38 AM Subject: [hlds_linux] Slow list server > I'm sure it's not just me, lately (the last few weeks) I've noticed people > are either becoming stupid and replying to a 3 day old post without reading > the most recent or the server has become somewhat delayed. For example when > I send a message to the list it takes a good few hours or even a day before > I see it. > > Is anyone else noticing it? > > Cheers, > > Scott > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Slow list server
There was a DNS configuration issue with the machine (it was taking an usually long time to resolve domains) causing the mail delivery to slow right down. We have found and fixed the problem and the backlog is clearing as we speak. - Alfred Scott Pettit wrote: > I'm sure it's not just me, lately (the last few weeks) I've noticed > people are either becoming stupid and replying to a 3 day old post > without reading the most recent or the server has become somewhat > delayed. For example when I send a message to the list it takes a > good few hours or even a day before I see it. > > Is anyone else noticing it? > > Cheers, > > Scott > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] my previous message
If I had waited 1 more minute in sending that message I would've read Alfred's posting in the mailing list digest and found the answer. If only this had been documented... I wouldn't have been so pissed right now... Oh well, thnx Alfred for the post. -- - Invader Zim | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Counter Strike and web sites! Counter Strike at| ICQ: 2548100 | Come & visit! http://cs.take13.net | http://portal.take13.net | http://forums.take13.net - The study of non-linear physics is like the study of non-elephant biology. - ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Problems connecting to any content server
I have 2 steam servers, or rather, was planning to have 2. 1 test server @ my home connection and 1 in a colocation where I've been running a 1.5 server for quite a while, and a 1.6beta server for a few months. So now I got myself the new linux steam client. The test server updated like a charm where as I can't even create an account from my colocation server, so I created an account for the colocation server off my home connection. Still, the update still does not work: I can ping a server: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/hlds_l$ ping 213.157.170.81 PING 213.157.170.81 (213.157.170.81): 56 octets data 64 octets from 213.157.170.81: icmp_seq=0 ttl=120 time=47.9 ms 64 octets from 213.157.170.81: icmp_seq=1 ttl=120 time=47.4 ms -- nmap can see an open port 27030: -- Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 3 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/hlds_l$ nmap -p 27030 213.157.170.81 Starting nmap V. 3.00 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Interesting ports on (213.157.170.81): Port State Service 27030/tcp openunknown Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 1 second -- And yet when I try to update all I get is: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/hlds_l$ ./steam -update cstrike /opt/cstrike2/hlds_l [EMAIL PROTECTED] mypassword Y Checking bootstrapper version ... Getting version 0 of Steam HLDS Update Tool Connection Reset -- And yet, off my home connection it works like a charm. I just wasted about 4 hours that I could've spent sleeping. No, there is no firewall, no there are no ports blocked on the colocation's router (see nmap). Anybody got an idea? Cuz I'm getting well pissed about now. -- - Invader Zim | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Counter Strike and web sites! Counter Strike at| ICQ: 2548100 | Come & visit! http://cs.take13.net | http://portal.take13.net | http://forums.take13.net - The study of non-linear physics is like the study of non-elephant biology. - ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] About the steam server account
I've just created an account to install my dedicated server but now I'm thinking... I've used this email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'd like to use it to create my Steam client account also. Will it be possible? if not, how can I change or remove my server account to free my email again? Thanks in advance. -- PiTaGoRaS ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Slow list server
I'm sure it's not just me, lately (the last few weeks) I've noticed people are either becoming stupid and replying to a 3 day old post without reading the most recent or the server has become somewhat delayed. For example when I send a message to the list it takes a good few hours or even a day before I see it. Is anyone else noticing it? Cheers, Scott ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] 1.1.2.0 release (aka Steam)
>It's later today, and still no HLDS_L Did I miss a link? No, I think they are doing some last minute tweaking, hopefully in the cpu area :) Jeremy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Steam + LAN Gaming
i would say lans will resort to using 1.5 till its sorted - Original Message - From: "Florian Zschocke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Steam + LAN Gaming > Mad Scientist wrote: > > > If everybody read the information provided before asking questions, > > well, there's probably be nobody left using this list... > > I think people ask this question inspite of having read that > because it is so unbelievable, hoping for Valve to realize what a > terrible idea this is and saying "hey, yeah, that's really not a > good thing, we'll look into making LAN games possible without > requiring an INet connection". The way it is now they don't need > to have a LAN mode at all since it doesn't make any sense. In > effect they are killing all LANs. Terrible, terrible idea. I don't > like it at all. To be frank, I fing hate it. Addon and MOD > developers now always need to have an INet connection running in > order to test their stuff. This suxorz major time. > > Florian. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Steam + LAN Gaming
Ahh but then the advertising that is incorporated into Steam won't go out to all the big Lan parties. Couldn't have that now... -Original Message- From: Florian Zschocke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Steam + LAN Gaming I think people ask this question inspite of having read that because it is so unbelievable, hoping for Valve to realize what a terrible idea this is and saying "hey, yeah, that's really not a good thing, we'll look into making LAN games possible without requiring an INet connection". The way it is now they don't need to have a LAN mode at all since it doesn't make any sense. In effect they are killing all LANs. Terrible, terrible idea. I don't like it at all. To be frank, I fing hate it. Addon and MOD developers now always need to have an INet connection running in order to test their stuff. This suxorz major time. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Steam + LAN Gaming
> If everybody read the information provided before asking questions, > well, there's probably be nobody left using this list... Nah, we'd have Eric (Decon) to keep us company. But back on the subject... is valve really trying to kill off the userbase that it strove to attain? I might be a rare case here, but some of us DONT have broadband. Does that mean that we can't play? Nope. but what it does mean is pure and utter hell when updates come. I can currently drive 15 minutes, download the update on a t1, burn it, and then take it home and have fun with it.. or I sit on my dialup with steam that only gets 24600 and wait for hours! All I have to say is that HL2 single player better not check with Steam, because, if it does, Valve's gunna screw itself over. In other words, Valve, you're seriously screwing yourself over, in the future, I dont want to be sitting with some kids and then mention half life and they all start laughing because of your demise due to over-protectiveness, which leads me to my next point. You are not Microsoft. We do not rely on your products to make our PCs function. You could dissapear tommorrow and all that would happen would be like "Hmm, Valve's gone? That sucks big time! I really liked Half-Life", now if MS would do that pretty much worldwide panic/cause for concern would happen.. (Linux ppl, you know where i'm coming from) Microsoft got away with WPA because of it's sheer size and control. Think about it. Thanks for you time, Adam ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
