Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

[Graham Robinson]

I think it's generally a choice of

VipMod
http://forums.mattie.info/cs/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6525&postdays=0&postorder=asc

or HLSW. But I don't even know how the reserve slots work in HLSW, I
just know the tab is there when you right click a server.



Is there another alternative out there for reserved slots these days?
The server is allowed to kick people via rcon so it should be possible
to implement right?


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Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

[Ghost]

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I think the server redirect should remain blocked unless a popup is
shown -- it is too easily abused by bot servers.

However, the reserved slot functionality is gold.  I used to use
reserved slots as carrots to my community and prizes for winning in our
tournaments

Is there another alternative out there for reserved slots these days?
The server is allowed to kick people via rcon so it should be possible
to implement right?

I do like how Valve implemented the min/max variables - good call and
thanks for listening!

Regards,
Fred

john @ GamersCoalition wrote:
> It's a tough cookie. Valve shouldn't be expected to support/consider
> 3rd party mods, but the pub server provider community (i.e. "us") have
> grown to rely heavily on them.
>
> In our instance, the reserve slot incentive provides our sole source
> of funding for our public servers. In one form or another, our
> not-for-profit operation has been doing this since 1.x days. Without
> public servers, where would new CS:S owners play their multi-player
> game? If you're in the good fortune to own your own hardware on a high
> speed network, great, but most of us aren't.
>
> The current mattie eventscript work around does get us around it, but
> it's costing us pub traffic (the interface is NOT noob friendly). At
> some point, the bottom line is going to hit us, and we're going to
> have to yank our aggregate 92 public slots offline.
>
> Valve, unless you're planning on getting into the public server market
> (soon), I'm confident you're going to see the above trend, which
> ultimately will affect your bottom line.
>
> "Help us help you." Implement some sort of redirect functionality, or
> allow us, the good honest server admins, the ability to disconnect and
> connect clients.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> [Mmmm]stuttering.john .gc
> "Together we spawn."
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.gamerscoalition.com
>
> On 12/4/06, Andreas Grimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  agree
>>
>> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag
>> > von David Syers
>> > Gesendet: Montag, 4. Dezember 2006 18:36
>> > An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>> > Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?
>> >
>> > --
>> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Some class
>> > it as abuse, others class it as a very handy and helpful
>> > function of a server.
>> >
>> > Can valve not allow an option of redirects whereby the user
>> > is given a message something like:
>> >
>> > "This server is currently full, or has reserved slots in action.
>> >
>> > If you would like to connect to an alternate server
>> > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: then click OK, otherwise click Disconnect"
>> >
>> > Graham Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think
>> > they thought exactly like this when blocking client execs.
>> > They presumably thought that sending a client somewhere they
>> > didn't ask to go was an abuse of your powers as an admin.
>> >
>> > On 04/12/06, Svensk Ljud & Ljus Produktion  wrote:
>> > > Since nov. 16 the redirect havent worked, and Mani have
>> > said thet he
>> > > dont think its possible to make it work again.
>> > >
>> > > Is Valve thinking about this.. ?
>> > >
>> > > This is the main issue that is up on our admin meetings !
>> > >
>> > > will it be solved or not ?
>> > >
>> > > Peter Lindblom / [ACCUsers] source server admin
>> >
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Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

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I agree in part. Most of the clientcommand stuff used by server plugins was
fairly innocent, and usually helpful. For example, the VIP Mod sent the
client command "use weapon_usp" when a new round started to make set the USP
as the active weapon for the VIP. There are many examples like that where
the easiest/best solution for a plugin was to use a client command.

However, joining a server and having it set my cmdrate to 101 and my
updaterate to 101 when my connection wasn't good enough for that was
veryannoying.  That's why I liked the idea of giving certain client
side cvars a
flag so that they couldn't be changed by the server, similar to how the
cheat cvar flag works. That would have left plugins the option to use
certain commands which don't harm the player, like "use weapon_usp"



On 12/4/06, Erik Hollensbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:43 AM, john @ GamersCoalition wrote:
>
> > It's a tough cookie. Valve shouldn't be expected to support/consider
> > 3rd party mods, but the pub server provider community (i.e. "us") have
> > grown to rely heavily on them.
>
> I certainly understand your need for some of these things, but
> nothing chaps my hide more when I get on one server for about 5
> minutes, find out it's laggy and choking and nasty, then get on a
> server I play on regularly and experience the same issue.
>
> Until the recent patch, I wouldn't have even looked at my home
> internet connection first - I would have made sure that server A
> didn't apply what they thought were good client rates for my
> connection, which is not necessarily going to agree with them
> regardless if they run the server or not.
>
> I'd like to also add that I have yet to find a server that's booted
> me for leaving the default restrict left on.
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Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

[Erik Hollensbe]

On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:43 AM, john @ GamersCoalition wrote:


It's a tough cookie. Valve shouldn't be expected to support/consider
3rd party mods, but the pub server provider community (i.e. "us") have
grown to rely heavily on them.


I certainly understand your need for some of these things, but
nothing chaps my hide more when I get on one server for about 5
minutes, find out it's laggy and choking and nasty, then get on a
server I play on regularly and experience the same issue.

Until the recent patch, I wouldn't have even looked at my home
internet connection first - I would have made sure that server A
didn't apply what they thought were good client rates for my
connection, which is not necessarily going to agree with them
regardless if they run the server or not.

I'd like to also add that I have yet to find a server that's booted
me for leaving the default restrict left on.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

[john @ GamersCoalition]

It's a tough cookie. Valve shouldn't be expected to support/consider
3rd party mods, but the pub server provider community (i.e. "us") have
grown to rely heavily on them.

In our instance, the reserve slot incentive provides our sole source
of funding for our public servers. In one form or another, our
not-for-profit operation has been doing this since 1.x days. Without
public servers, where would new CS:S owners play their multi-player
game? If you're in the good fortune to own your own hardware on a high
speed network, great, but most of us aren't.

The current mattie eventscript work around does get us around it, but
it's costing us pub traffic (the interface is NOT noob friendly). At
some point, the bottom line is going to hit us, and we're going to
have to yank our aggregate 92 public slots offline.

Valve, unless you're planning on getting into the public server market
(soon), I'm confident you're going to see the above trend, which
ultimately will affect your bottom line.

"Help us help you." Implement some sort of redirect functionality, or
allow us, the good honest server admins, the ability to disconnect and
connect clients.

Kind Regards,

[Mmmm]stuttering.john .gc
"Together we spawn."
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.gamerscoalition.com

On 12/4/06, Andreas Grimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 agree

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag
> von David Syers
> Gesendet: Montag, 4. Dezember 2006 18:36
> An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Some class
> it as abuse, others class it as a very handy and helpful
> function of a server.
>
> Can valve not allow an option of redirects whereby the user
> is given a message something like:
>
> "This server is currently full, or has reserved slots in action.
>
> If you would like to connect to an alternate server
> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: then click OK, otherwise click Disconnect"
>
> Graham Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think
> they thought exactly like this when blocking client execs.
> They presumably thought that sending a client somewhere they
> didn't ask to go was an abuse of your powers as an admin.
>
> On 04/12/06, Svensk Ljud & Ljus Produktion  wrote:
> > Since nov. 16 the redirect havent worked, and Mani have
> said thet he
> > dont think its possible to make it work again.
> >
> > Is Valve thinking about this.. ?
> >
> > This is the main issue that is up on our admin meetings !
> >
> > will it be solved or not ?
> >
> > Peter Lindblom / [ACCUsers] source server admin
>
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RE: [hlds_linux] Possible for client to bypass new server rate variables? maybe others too?

[David Syers]

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great news!

Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are working on a fix to prevent 
this.

- Alfred

David Syers wrote:
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> Alfred
>
> I have not personally had a chance to test this yet, perhaps someone
> else on this list will be able to confirm it, but the following topic
> has me a bit worried about the new rate cvars, as well as other sv_
> cvars
>
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5755482
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RE: [hlds_linux] Possible for client to bypass new server rate variables? maybe others too?

[Alfred Reynolds]

We are working on a fix to prevent this.

- Alfred

David Syers wrote:
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> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Alfred
>
> I have not personally had a chance to test this yet, perhaps someone
> else on this list will be able to confirm it, but the following topic
> has me a bit worried about the new rate cvars, as well as other sv_
> cvars
>
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5755482
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Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

[Andreas Grimm]

 agree

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag
> von David Syers
> Gesendet: Montag, 4. Dezember 2006 18:36
> An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Some class
> it as abuse, others class it as a very handy and helpful
> function of a server.
>
> Can valve not allow an option of redirects whereby the user
> is given a message something like:
>
> "This server is currently full, or has reserved slots in action.
>
> If you would like to connect to an alternate server
> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: then click OK, otherwise click Disconnect"
>
> Graham Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think
> they thought exactly like this when blocking client execs.
> They presumably thought that sending a client somewhere they
> didn't ask to go was an abuse of your powers as an admin.
>
> On 04/12/06, Svensk Ljud & Ljus Produktion  wrote:
> > Since nov. 16 the redirect havent worked, and Mani have
> said thet he
> > dont think its possible to make it work again.
> >
> > Is Valve thinking about this.. ?
> >
> > This is the main issue that is up on our admin meetings !
> >
> > will it be solved or not ?
> >
> > Peter Lindblom / [ACCUsers] source server admin
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

[David Syers]

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Some class it as abuse, others class it as a very handy and helpful function of 
a server.

Can valve not allow an option of redirects whereby the user is given a message 
something like:

"This server is currently full, or has reserved slots in action.

If you would like to connect to an alternate server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: then 
click OK, otherwise click Disconnect"

Graham Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think they thought exactly like 
this when blocking client execs.
They presumably thought that sending a client somewhere they didn't
ask to go was an abuse of your powers as an admin.

On 04/12/06, Svensk Ljud & Ljus Produktion  wrote:
> Since nov. 16 the redirect havent worked, and Mani have said thet he dont
> think its possible to make it work again.
>
> Is Valve thinking about this.. ?
>
> This is the main issue that is up on our admin meetings !
>
> will it be solved or not ?
>
> Peter Lindblom / [ACCUsers] source server admin

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Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

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Oops. No more servers with all bots and a redirect to another server.

Hated those anyway. I'd rather see redirect not come back.

On 12/4/06, Svensk Ljud & Ljus Produktion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Since nov. 16 the redirect havent worked, and Mani have said thet he dont
> think its possible to make it work again.
>
> Is Valve thinking about this.. ?
>
> This is the main issue that is up on our admin meetings !
>
> will it be solved or not ?
>
> Peter Lindblom / [ACCUsers] source server admin
>
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

[Graham Robinson]

I think they thought exactly like this when blocking client execs.
They presumably thought that sending a client somewhere they didn't
ask to go was an abuse of your powers as an admin.

On 04/12/06, Svensk Ljud & Ljus Produktion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Since nov. 16 the redirect havent worked, and Mani have said thet he dont
think its possible to make it work again.

Is Valve thinking about this.. ?

This is the main issue that is up on our admin meetings !

will it be solved or not ?

Peter Lindblom / [ACCUsers] source server admin


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[hlds_linux] Redirect - is it going to work anymore ?

[Svensk Ljud & Ljus Produktion]

Since nov. 16 the redirect havent worked, and Mani have said thet he dont
think its possible to make it work again.

Is Valve thinking about this.. ?

This is the main issue that is up on our admin meetings !

will it be solved or not ?

Peter Lindblom / [ACCUsers] source server admin



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[hlds_linux] Possible for client to bypass new server rate variables? maybe others too?

[David Syers]

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Alfred

I have not personally had a chance to test this yet, perhaps someone else on 
this list will be able to confirm it, but the following topic has me a bit 
worried about the new rate cvars, as well as other sv_ cvars

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5755482
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Re: [hlds_linux] CS:S Server not restarting on rcon quit

[Martin Zwickel]

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David Syers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> bubbled:

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> To quote:
>
> A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>
> Well I don't know about you, but I read top to bottom, left to right
> - it is actually bottom posting that is annoying. I want to read the
> important bit first, the reply!

Depends if it's visible without scrolling ;) Then it's easy to decide
what is important ...

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To quote:

A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Well I don't know about you, but I read top to bottom, left to right - it is 
actually bottom posting that is annoying. I want to read the important bit 
first, the reply!

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"W0kk3L"  bubbled:

> Nope, doesn't help. Same results.
>
> PS. Could you please reply on the top instead of at the bottom of a
> message. Saves scrolling time (and copy/pasting) ;-)

And cut useless bytes, saves bandwidth!

BTW:
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?


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"W0kk3L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> bubbled:

> Nope, doesn't help. Same results.
>
> PS. Could you please reply on the top instead of at the bottom of a
> message. Saves scrolling time (and copy/pasting) ;-)

And cut useless bytes, saves bandwidth!

BTW:
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?


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