RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game for an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting what you want. At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting down the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on our end i don't think that will happen. We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have been dealt. Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] We have made that decision, our CS 1.6 server is down for good. In game advertising is wrong. Should they push it to CSS then we will shut that server down as well. Crazy_One David Williams wrote: if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game for an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting what you want. At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting down the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on our end i don't think that will happen. We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have been dealt. Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED][4] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[5] ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de[6] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[7] -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[8] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[9]
