Re: [hlds_linux] Error
It's been brought up several times, and perhaps you're just quoting, but "get a decent processor" is an ridiculous and inflammatory thing to say when the server would work absolutely fine on most of the processors specifically mentioned in the past if they were running windows. This is a valve issue, and fingers shouldn't be pointed at the linux admins for trying to run a server in linux that would run on windows. Quoting Ondřej Hošek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 02.11.07 14:48 Uhr, Miano, Steven M. wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Martindale Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:12 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] Error Bad data found in model "dispenser_toolbox.dmx" (bad bone weights) Bad data found in model "dispenser_gib1.smd" (bad bone weights) Bad data found in model "dispenser_gib2.smd" (bad bone weights) Bad data found in model "dispenser_gib3.smd" (bad bone weights) Bad data found in model "dispenser_gib4.smd" (bad bone weights) Has anyone addressed this issue, or found a work around for it yet? Seems pretty quite for a usually quick to respond list on this issue That's because we've been repeatedly hearing of this issue for a long, long, long time. We know it's pretty boring to sift through all the archives, but as long-time list members, we can't tell who's new and who already should know. (I guess a discussion forum would alleviate these problems, since you get access to the archives and a search function right away.) Sorry. The probable cause is lack of SSE2. "Remedy": get a decent processor. Yeah, sorry again. Alfred Reynolds of Valve said that lack of the FCMOV instruction causes it. I've discounted this by writing a program in assembler which actually executes such an instruction, and it didn't end with an "Illegal Instruction" error (as it would if the processor didn't have FCMOV) even on the bad-bone-weight-fraught machines. AFAIR, we have received no response from Valve since then. It's either a mistake in the hand-written math code by Valve or an error in GCC. We're not sure which, as Valve has neither come clean nor pointed a finger at the GCC people. AFAIK, Windows machines are not hit by this error, so it might be GCC-specific assembly or a GCC bug. I hope very much that it's being fixed right now. A Valve engineer did come around and tell us he has a machine to replicate this bug on, but we haven't heard of his progress. ~~ Ondra ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] So.. p3 support for linux binary? yes/no please
Regardless of the e-penis waving, there are other, faster processors than P3s that are effected by this bug. They're obviously not publisting their to-do list, so I think the best we can do is make sure our voice is heard in a constructive manner. Quoting Kevin Karan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It is an HP LH3 Netserver with 2 1ghz P3 Xeon processors. This machine was originally used as an university windows domain controller for over 400 stations. Please don't get uppity with me when you have no idea what you are talking about. On 10/7/07, ics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Could you define "server grade hardware" aka list it, because i'm having a really hard time imagining your 1 GHz (even if its dual) server running 4x16 slot CS Source servers. Unless of course, they are empty or none of them is full. -ics Kevin Karan kirjoitti: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > We are talking about server grade hardware, not a P4 you slapped together > for $400 bucks. My Dual 1ghz P3 system can handle 4 16 slot CS:S servers > rock solid. > > On 10/7/07, Evaldas Žilinskas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> How do you run SRCDS stable on P3? I mean, what kind of hardware do you >> have? I have few P4s with 3ghz ant HT, but one 24slot dods server runing >> ant >> 66tick and ~200fps is maximum what can I get. I mean, isn't a time to >> R.I.P. >> some old hardware? 'cause soon we'll be blaming valve for getting low fps >> on >> durons 700mhz :) >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:13 AM >> Subject: [hlds_linux] So.. p3 support for linux binary? yes/no please >> >> >> >>> A lot of us have fast, server-grade P3 servers. Can we please get an >>> official word on whether the Linux binary will support this hardware, or >>> are we wasting our time? Like others have pointed out, the Windows SRCDS >>> doesn't have this requirement. >>> >>> I just want a clear answer on this so I can assess my options. I will >>> likely just abandon TF2 hosting personally, as I cannot afford to >>> replace all my machines at this time -- others may choose to purchase >>> new hardware. But at least give us the data we need to make this >>> decision! My trusty P3 servers are fast enough to run this game with >>> the maxplayers I have in mind, and did so for CS:S for years now. >>> >>> I understand the game is essentially beta, and I am happy to wait for a >>> fix. I just want to know if one is forthcoming or not. Looking through >>> archives of this list, I'm seeing very conflicting information about >>> this issue. On person says this isn't intended, Alfred seems to be >>> saying we're SOL. I hope this isn't true, I'm very excited about hosting >>> this game. >>> >>> Thanks for your time! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> cj_ >>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Team Fortress 2/Dedicated Server updated
FCOMV doesn't seem to be a requirement with windows. If that is the case, I would hope and believe that the linux server shares the same requirements. Quoting Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Your CPU needs to support the FCMOV instruction, if you get the bone weight problem then chances are it doesn't. - Alfred Daron Dodd wrote: i see no fix to the bad bone weight crashes On 10/5/07, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Required updates to Team Fortress have been released. Please run hldsupdatetool to receive them. The specific changes include: - Fixed certain crashes with paged pool memory - Added a warning for when paged pool memory is low - Fixed some prediction errors with player avoidance - Fixed columns and row bunching up in server browser - Fixed a rare bug where the wrong launcher.dll was being used to launch the game - Fixed teleporter/spawn doorway exploit Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Bad Bone Weight continues...
he he, definately! :> I'm sure there's other fish to fry, but it looks like there's a fair amount of people out there waiting to run servers that the teeming masses may need come Oct. 9. Quoting Guillaume Parent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Make that a "will" and I'll love you forever. I've got an old p3 here that I can resurrect to debug the actual instruction sequence that causes the error. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Bad Bone Weight continues...
Any updates on the Bone Weight issue? I believe the message below from Chris Green was the last official response. - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:00:32 -0700 From: Chris Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Bad Bone Weight continues... To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com SSE2 is not required (base-SSE is), and we don't compile with any switches that would turn on sse2 (and, sse2 instructions should trap when executed, as another poster mentioned). I'm working on this issue. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Nicholls Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:28 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Bad Bone Weight continues... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guillaume Parent Sent: 26 September 2007 03:51 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Bad Bone Weight continues... The processor is a AMD 2700+, I'm not sure if that supports SSE2 or not. Probably not. None of the 32bit Athlon CPUs do. Might want to check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE2#CPUs_supporting_SSE2 if you're not sure. Whilst I haven't seen an answer from Valve on this, but the 'survey' so far does seem to indicate that SSE2 is required. Glad I know now because I'm about to start shopping around for a dedi :) FWIW -- We do NOT have SSE2 support on our server... we have SSE, but that's it... It sure sounds like if the server is lacking SSE2, for now, SOL... - Original Message From: Guillaume Parent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:09:37 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 32 slots??? Well at least I'm not the only one having the problem it seems. *Waves at fellow Bad Bone Weight server admin* I just want to be able to run the darn TF2 server in Linux! GWAH! (Still having Bad Bone Weight errors -- I wish someone from Valve would at least say something about this..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Witczak Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 06:14 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] TF2 32 slots??? Ok someone please fill me in on how to get this going? Below is one of the IP's and the only 2 servers in game monitor playing 32 slots..and of course they are full! 70.87.162.59:27015 http://www.game- monitor.com/GameServer/64.182.92.161:27016/THE_TEMPEST_2_247 _DUSTBOWL_DALLAS_TX_-_WDFNews.com_Clan_p.html http://www.game- monitor.com/GameServer/70.87.162.59:27015/3PointGames.com_TF 2_32_Player_DustBowl__1.html ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - End forwarded message - ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
