Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers ?
I just use webshortcuts and advertisements to advertise. I don't havea quickplay server yet, but I am working on it. Sent from my MOTOBLUR™ smartphone on AT&T -Original message- From: doc To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Sent: Tue, Aug 2, 2011 01:18:06 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers? Well if you have your server registered then it should be linked to a steamid. I don't think they would ever add something like this but it would be neat if they could implement a stamp system per server. Donations are always nice but if you have to support your server with donations then it's already on slightly shaky ground I can imagine. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jesse Molina wrote: > > It would be nice if there was some way for players to donate to server > operators in-game, similar to the map stamps in the TF2 Mann Co Store. I > have no idea how Valve would work that out though. Even if it was just to > take a big commission and transfer it to registered paypal accounts, that > would be better than nothing. > > It's just a matter of convenience. If it's convenient and easy to give > $1.00 or 25 cents, people will do it. If it's inconvenient, customers won't > bother throwing you a penny... which is why people hate pennies; they are > not even worth their own value. > > > > ics wrote: >> >> I've never gathered donations for running servers or community. I've paid >> the bills myself so that i and others can just play and enjoy the games. So >> if you donation count has gone down, perhaps your regulars have stopped >> funding you because basically you have now more possible donators than >> before playing at your servers. Perhaps you should pay up more yourself if >> you want to keep servers running and not switching the blame on mannconomy. >> I love f2p update. It filled up our servers for even more than ever. >> >> - Alkuperäinen viesti - >>> >>> And unfortunately, most of the money going into the mannconomy is money >>> that used to be going to servers in the form of donations, making it >>> harder for people to operate midlevel, and even higher level servers. >>> (levels assigned by popularity) >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Björn >>> Rohlén Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 00:58 >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and >>> griefers? >>> >>> AnAkIn et al. should stop running nice servers until Valve shapes up. >>> This has been a complete disaster on so many levels, even though their >>> influx of monetary funds into the "Mannconomy" probably tells the >>> shareholders otherwise. >>> >>> Right. Boo. >>> >>> -TheG >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:36 AM, James Puckett< >>> jamesrichardpuck...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have a static ip provided free of charge to me. Then again, not every >>> >>> ISP >>>> >>>> is a good ISP. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM, hlds wrote: >>>> >>>>> I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free >>>>> accounts. >>>>> >>>>> Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can >>>>> create anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have >>>>> dynamic >>>> >>>> IPs. >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: AnAkIn . >>>>> Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters >>>>> and griefers? >>>>> >>>>> There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since >>>>> months >>>> >>>> (I >>>>> >>>>> know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is >>> >>> still >>>>> >>>>> not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, >>>>> and they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it >>>>> on my servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account >>>>>
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
Well if you have your server registered then it should be linked to a steamid. I don't think they would ever add something like this but it would be neat if they could implement a stamp system per server. Donations are always nice but if you have to support your server with donations then it's already on slightly shaky ground I can imagine. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jesse Molina wrote: > > It would be nice if there was some way for players to donate to server > operators in-game, similar to the map stamps in the TF2 Mann Co Store. I > have no idea how Valve would work that out though. Even if it was just to > take a big commission and transfer it to registered paypal accounts, that > would be better than nothing. > > It's just a matter of convenience. If it's convenient and easy to give > $1.00 or 25 cents, people will do it. If it's inconvenient, customers won't > bother throwing you a penny... which is why people hate pennies; they are > not even worth their own value. > > > > ics wrote: >> >> I've never gathered donations for running servers or community. I've paid >> the bills myself so that i and others can just play and enjoy the games. So >> if you donation count has gone down, perhaps your regulars have stopped >> funding you because basically you have now more possible donators than >> before playing at your servers. Perhaps you should pay up more yourself if >> you want to keep servers running and not switching the blame on mannconomy. >> I love f2p update. It filled up our servers for even more than ever. >> >> - Alkuperäinen viesti - >>> >>> And unfortunately, most of the money going into the mannconomy is money >>> that used to be going to servers in the form of donations, making it >>> harder for people to operate midlevel, and even higher level servers. >>> (levels assigned by popularity) >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Björn >>> Rohlén Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 00:58 >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and >>> griefers? >>> >>> AnAkIn et al. should stop running nice servers until Valve shapes up. >>> This has been a complete disaster on so many levels, even though their >>> influx of monetary funds into the "Mannconomy" probably tells the >>> shareholders otherwise. >>> >>> Right. Boo. >>> >>> -TheG >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:36 AM, James Puckett< >>> jamesrichardpuck...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have a static ip provided free of charge to me. Then again, not every >>> >>> ISP >>>> >>>> is a good ISP. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM, hlds wrote: >>>> >>>>> I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free >>>>> accounts. >>>>> >>>>> Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can >>>>> create anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have >>>>> dynamic >>>> >>>> IPs. >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: AnAkIn . >>>>> Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters >>>>> and griefers? >>>>> >>>>> There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since >>>>> months >>>> >>>> (I >>>>> >>>>> know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is >>> >>> still >>>>> >>>>> not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, >>>>> and they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it >>>>> on my servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account >>>>> every >>> >>> time >>>> >>>> I >>>>> >>>>> ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid >>>>> these "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken >>>>> according to the >>>> >>>> F2P >>>>> >>
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
It would be nice if there was some way for players to donate to server operators in-game, similar to the map stamps in the TF2 Mann Co Store. I have no idea how Valve would work that out though. Even if it was just to take a big commission and transfer it to registered paypal accounts, that would be better than nothing. It's just a matter of convenience. If it's convenient and easy to give $1.00 or 25 cents, people will do it. If it's inconvenient, customers won't bother throwing you a penny... which is why people hate pennies; they are not even worth their own value. ics wrote: I've never gathered donations for running servers or community. I've paid the bills myself so that i and others can just play and enjoy the games. So if you donation count has gone down, perhaps your regulars have stopped funding you because basically you have now more possible donators than before playing at your servers. Perhaps you should pay up more yourself if you want to keep servers running and not switching the blame on mannconomy. I love f2p update. It filled up our servers for even more than ever. - Alkuperäinen viesti - And unfortunately, most of the money going into the mannconomy is money that used to be going to servers in the form of donations, making it harder for people to operate midlevel, and even higher level servers. (levels assigned by popularity) -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Björn Rohlén Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 00:58 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers? AnAkIn et al. should stop running nice servers until Valve shapes up. This has been a complete disaster on so many levels, even though their influx of monetary funds into the "Mannconomy" probably tells the shareholders otherwise. Right. Boo. -TheG On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:36 AM, James Puckett< jamesrichardpuck...@gmail.com> wrote: I have a static ip provided free of charge to me. Then again, not every ISP is a good ISP. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM, hlds wrote: I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free accounts. Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can create anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have dynamic IPs. - Original Message - From: AnAkIn . Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers? There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since months (I know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is still not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, and they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it on my servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account every time I ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid these "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken according to the F2P FAQ are totally useless. 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > You can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of them, it will detect some.> > http://dblocker.didrole.com/> > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > >> I would pay top dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice>> chat and sprays for free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free>> accounts from joining the server. I think there is already 1 plugin>> that kicks them.>> >> * I will not pay any money for plugins, ever.>> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Matt wrote:>> >> Besides the fact that VAC is crap and doesn't work for an inordinately>> large>> >> amount of cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the>> bans in>> our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC ban,>> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What about the>> people>> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while we attempt to keep>> the>> >> activity on our servers at least slightly above the retard line?>> >> >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to have to get together to>> find a>> >> way of identifying new ways to ban people based on what information it>> is>> >> possible to gather about a person's computer that is unique (or at>> least>> >> close enough to unique).>> >> >> >> --Matt>> >> >> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard Eid wrote:>>
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
In my country F2P is beneffical but the servers count increased by 2000%. 2011/7/27 ics > I've never gathered donations for running servers or community. I've paid > the bills myself so that i and others can just play and enjoy the games. So > if you donation count has gone down, perhaps your regulars have stopped > funding you because basically you have now more possible donators than > before playing at your servers. Perhaps you should pay up more yourself if > you want to keep servers running and not switching the blame on mannconomy. > I love f2p update. It filled up our servers for even more than ever. > > - Alkuperäinen viesti - > > And unfortunately, most of the money going into the mannconomy is money > > that used to be going to servers in the form of donations, making it > > harder for people to operate midlevel, and even higher level servers. > > (levels assigned by popularity) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Björn > > Rohlén Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 00:58 > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and > > griefers? > > > > AnAkIn et al. should stop running nice servers until Valve shapes up. > > This has been a complete disaster on so many levels, even though their > > influx of monetary funds into the "Mannconomy" probably tells the > > shareholders otherwise. > > > > Right. Boo. > > > > -TheG > > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:36 AM, James Puckett < > > jamesrichardpuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I have a static ip provided free of charge to me. Then again, not every > > ISP > > > is a good ISP. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM, hlds wrote: > > > > > > > I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free > > > > accounts. > > > > > > > > Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can > > > > create anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have > > > > dynamic > > > IPs. > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: AnAkIn . > > > > Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters > > > > and griefers? > > > > > > > > There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since > > > > months > > > (I > > > > know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is > > still > > > > not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, > > > > and they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it > > > > on my servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account > > > > every > > time > > > I > > > > ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid > > > > these "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken > > > > according to the > > > F2P > > > > FAQ are totally useless. 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > > > > > You can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect > > > > all of > > > > > > > them, it will detect some. > > http://dblocker.didrole.com/ > > > > > > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > >> I would pay > > > > top dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice >> chat > > > > and sprays > > > for > > > > free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free >> accounts from joining > > the > > > > server. I think there is already 1 plugin >> that kicks them. >> >> > > > > * I > > > will > > > > not pay any money for plugins, ever. >> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at > > 3:39 > > > > AM, Matt wrote: >> >> Besides the fact that > > > > VAC > > > is > > > > crap and doesn't work for an inordinately >> large >> >> amount of > > > > cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the >> bans > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a > > > > VAC > > >
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
I've never gathered donations for running servers or community. I've paid the bills myself so that i and others can just play and enjoy the games. So if you donation count has gone down, perhaps your regulars have stopped funding you because basically you have now more possible donators than before playing at your servers. Perhaps you should pay up more yourself if you want to keep servers running and not switching the blame on mannconomy. I love f2p update. It filled up our servers for even more than ever. - Alkuperäinen viesti - > And unfortunately, most of the money going into the mannconomy is money > that used to be going to servers in the form of donations, making it > harder for people to operate midlevel, and even higher level servers. > (levels assigned by popularity) > > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Björn > Rohlén Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 00:58 > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and > griefers? > > AnAkIn et al. should stop running nice servers until Valve shapes up. > This has been a complete disaster on so many levels, even though their > influx of monetary funds into the "Mannconomy" probably tells the > shareholders otherwise. > > Right. Boo. > > -TheG > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:36 AM, James Puckett < > jamesrichardpuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have a static ip provided free of charge to me. Then again, not every > ISP > > is a good ISP. > > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM, hlds wrote: > > > > > I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free > > > accounts. > > > > > > Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can > > > create anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have > > > dynamic > > IPs. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: AnAkIn . > > > Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters > > > and griefers? > > > > > > There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since > > > months > > (I > > > know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is > still > > > not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, > > > and they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it > > > on my servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account > > > every > time > > I > > > ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid > > > these "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken > > > according to the > > F2P > > > FAQ are totally useless. 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > > > > You can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect > > > all of > > > > > them, it will detect some. > > http://dblocker.didrole.com/ > > > > > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > >> I would pay > > > top dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice >> chat > > > and sprays > > for > > > free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free >> accounts from joining > the > > > server. I think there is already 1 plugin >> that kicks them. >> >> > > > * I > > will > > > not pay any money for plugins, ever. >> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at > 3:39 > > > AM, Matt wrote: >> >> Besides the fact that > > > VAC > > is > > > crap and doesn't work for an inordinately >> large >> >> amount of > > > cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the >> bans > > > in >> > > > > > > > our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a > > > VAC > > > > > > > ban, >> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What > > about > > > the >> people >> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers > > > while > > we > > > attempt to keep >> the >> >> activity on our servers at least > > > slightly > > above > > > the retard line? >> >> >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are > > > going > to > > > have to
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
Just for the sake of some positive feedback, our community loves the F2P choice VALVe made, and it has put TF2 back on the map. A lot of our players who stopped playing TF2 have now returned because the games became enjoyable again. Saint K. From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Björn Rohlén [bjorn.roh...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 July 2011 09:57 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers? AnAkIn et al. should stop running nice servers until Valve shapes up. This has been a complete disaster on so many levels, even though their influx of monetary funds into the "Mannconomy" probably tells the shareholders otherwise. Right. Boo. -TheG On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:36 AM, James Puckett < jamesrichardpuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a static ip provided free of charge to me. Then again, not every ISP > is a good ISP. > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM, hlds wrote: > > > I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free accounts. > > > > Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can create > > anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have dynamic > IPs. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: AnAkIn . > > Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and > > griefers? > > > > There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since months > (I > > know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is still > > not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, and > > they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it on my > > servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account every time > I > > ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid these > > "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken according to the > F2P > > FAQ are totally useless. 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > You > > can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of > > > them, it will detect some. > > http://dblocker.didrole.com/ > > > > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > >> I would pay top > > dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice >> chat and sprays > for > > free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free >> accounts from joining the > > server. I think there is already 1 plugin >> that kicks them. >> >> * I > will > > not pay any money for plugins, ever. >> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 > > AM, Matt wrote: >> >> Besides the fact that VAC > is > > crap and doesn't work for an inordinately >> large >> >> amount of > > cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the >> bans in >> > >> > > our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC > >> > > ban, >> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What > about > > the >> people >> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while > we > > attempt to keep >> the >> >> activity on our servers at least slightly > above > > the retard line? >> >> >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to > > have to get together to >> find a >> >> way of identifying new ways to > ban > > people based on what information it >> is >> >> possible to gather about > a > > person's computer that is unique (or at >> least >> >> close enough to > > unique). >> >> >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard > Eid > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on > > something to >> battle >> >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try > to > > track the patterns of >> >>> people >> >>> who start to do this, so the > > system can quickly recognize those same >> >>> patterns in the future and > be > > a little more proactive instead of >> reactive. >> >>> I think Steam > Guard > > could help a little here, too. IP addresses can >> >>> easily >> >>> be > > changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
And unfortunately, most of the money going into the mannconomy is money that used to be going to servers in the form of donations, making it harder for people to operate midlevel, and even higher level servers. (levels assigned by popularity) -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Björn Rohlén Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 00:58 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers? AnAkIn et al. should stop running nice servers until Valve shapes up. This has been a complete disaster on so many levels, even though their influx of monetary funds into the "Mannconomy" probably tells the shareholders otherwise. Right. Boo. -TheG On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:36 AM, James Puckett < jamesrichardpuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a static ip provided free of charge to me. Then again, not every ISP > is a good ISP. > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM, hlds wrote: > > > I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free accounts. > > > > Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can create > > anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have dynamic > IPs. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: AnAkIn . > > Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and > > griefers? > > > > There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since months > (I > > know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is still > > not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, and > > they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it on my > > servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account every time > I > > ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid these > > "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken according to the > F2P > > FAQ are totally useless. 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > You > > can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of > > > them, it will detect some. > > http://dblocker.didrole.com/ > > > > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > >> I would pay top > > dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice >> chat and sprays > for > > free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free >> accounts from joining the > > server. I think there is already 1 plugin >> that kicks them. >> >> * I > will > > not pay any money for plugins, ever. >> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 > > AM, Matt wrote: >> >> Besides the fact that VAC > is > > crap and doesn't work for an inordinately >> large >> >> amount of > > cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the >> bans in >> > >> > > our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC > >> > > ban, >> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What > about > > the >> people >> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while > we > > attempt to keep >> the >> >> activity on our servers at least slightly > above > > the retard line? >> >> >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to > > have to get together to >> find a >> >> way of identifying new ways to > ban > > people based on what information it >> is >> >> possible to gather about > a > > person's computer that is unique (or at >> least >> >> close enough to > > unique). >> >> >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard > Eid > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on > > something to >> battle >> >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try > to > > track the patterns of >> >>> people >> >>> who start to do this, so the > > system can quickly recognize those same >> >>> patterns in the future and > be > > a little more proactive instead of >> reactive. >> >>> I think Steam > Guard > > could help a little here, too. IP addresses can >> >>> easily >> >>> be > > changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is >>
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
AnAkIn et al. should stop running nice servers until Valve shapes up. This has been a complete disaster on so many levels, even though their influx of monetary funds into the "Mannconomy" probably tells the shareholders otherwise. Right. Boo. -TheG On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:36 AM, James Puckett < jamesrichardpuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a static ip provided free of charge to me. Then again, not every ISP > is a good ISP. > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM, hlds wrote: > > > I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free accounts. > > > > Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can create > > anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have dynamic > IPs. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: AnAkIn . > > Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and > > griefers? > > > > There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since months > (I > > know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is still > > not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, and > > they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it on my > > servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account every time > I > > ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid these > > "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken according to the > F2P > > FAQ are totally useless. 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > You > > can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of > > > them, it will detect some. > > http://dblocker.didrole.com/ > > > > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > >> I would pay top > > dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice >> chat and sprays > for > > free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free >> accounts from joining the > > server. I think there is already 1 plugin >> that kicks them. >> >> * I > will > > not pay any money for plugins, ever. >> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 > > AM, Matt wrote: >> >> Besides the fact that VAC > is > > crap and doesn't work for an inordinately >> large >> >> amount of > > cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the >> bans in >> > >> > > our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC > >> > > ban, >> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What > about > > the >> people >> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while > we > > attempt to keep >> the >> >> activity on our servers at least slightly > above > > the retard line? >> >> >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to > > have to get together to >> find a >> >> way of identifying new ways to > ban > > people based on what information it >> is >> >> possible to gather about > a > > person's computer that is unique (or at >> least >> >> close enough to > > unique). >> >> >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard > Eid > > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on > > something to >> battle >> >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try > to > > track the patterns of >> >>> people >> >>> who start to do this, so the > > system can quickly recognize those same >> >>> patterns in the future and > be > > a little more proactive instead of >> reactive. >> >>> I think Steam > Guard > > could help a little here, too. IP addresses can >> >>> easily >> >>> be > > changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is >> tied > >> > > >>> to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your >> > > server. >> >>> People only have so many PCs they can use. >> >>> >> >>> > > Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as >> > Valve > > >> >>> has >> >>> something to announce. >> >>> >> >>> -Richard Eid >> > >>> > > >> >>> >> >>> On
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
I have a static ip provided free of charge to me. Then again, not every ISP is a good ISP. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:23 PM, hlds wrote: > I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free accounts. > > Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can create > anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have dynamic IPs. > > - Original Message - > From: AnAkIn . > Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and > griefers? > > There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since months (I > know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is still > not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, and > they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it on my > servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account every time I > ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid these > "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken according to the F2P > FAQ are totally useless. 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > You > can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of > > them, it will detect some. > > http://dblocker.didrole.com/ > > > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > >> I would pay top > dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice >> chat and sprays for > free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free >> accounts from joining the > server. I think there is already 1 plugin >> that kicks them. >> >> * I will > not pay any money for plugins, ever. >> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 > AM, Matt wrote: >> >> Besides the fact that VAC is > crap and doesn't work for an inordinately >> large >> >> amount of > cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the >> bans in >> >> > our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC >> > ban, >> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What about > the >> people >> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while we > attempt to keep >> the >> >> activity on our servers at least slightly above > the retard line? >> >> >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to > have to get together to >> find a >> >> way of identifying new ways to ban > people based on what information it >> is >> >> possible to gather about a > person's computer that is unique (or at >> least >> >> close enough to > unique). >> >> >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard Eid > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on > something to >> battle >> >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try to > track the patterns of >> >>> people >> >>> who start to do this, so the > system can quickly recognize those same >> >>> patterns in the future and be > a little more proactive instead of >> reactive. >> >>> I think Steam Guard > could help a little here, too. IP addresses can >> >>> easily >> >>> be > changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is >> tied >> > >>> to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your >> > server. >> >>> People only have so many PCs they can use. >> >>> >> >>> > Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as >> Valve > >> >>> has >> >>> something to announce. >> >>> >> >>> -Richard Eid >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Flubber > wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools > against cheating. :D >> >>>> >> >>>> 2011/6/24 Octo< > octodhd_h...@monkeyrings.com> >> >>>> >> >>>>> I always felt like we saw a > surge in cheaters and griefers directly >> >>>>> after >> >>>> >> >>>> a >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play > is >> there >> >>>> >> >>>> going >> >>>&g
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
I doubt that Valve took any measures regarding infinite free accounts. Currently is quite impossible to ban a F2P player because it can create anytime a new account and in some countries most of them have dynamic IPs. - Original Message - From: AnAkIn . Sent: 07/27/11 02:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers? There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since months (I know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is still not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, and they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it on my servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account every time I ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid these "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken according to the F2P FAQ are totally useless. 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > You can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of > them, it will detect some. > > http://dblocker.didrole.com/ > > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > >> I would pay top dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice >> chat and sprays for free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free >> accounts from joining the server. I think there is already 1 plugin >> that kicks them. >> >> * I will not pay any money for plugins, ever. >> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Matt wrote: >> >> Besides the fact that VAC is crap and doesn't work for an inordinately >> large >> >> amount of cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the >> bans in >> >> our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC >> ban, >> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What about the >> people >> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while we attempt to keep >> the >> >> activity on our servers at least slightly above the retard line? >> >> >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to have to get together to >> find a >> >> way of identifying new ways to ban people based on what information it >> is >> >> possible to gather about a person's computer that is unique (or at >> least >> >> close enough to unique). >> >> >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard Eid wrote: >> >>> >> >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on something to >> battle >> >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try to track the patterns of >> >>> people >> >>> who start to do this, so the system can quickly recognize those same >> >>> patterns in the future and be a little more proactive instead of >> reactive. >> >>> I think Steam Guard could help a little here, too. IP addresses can >> >>> easily >> >>> be changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is >> tied >> >>> to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your >> server. >> >>> People only have so many PCs they can use. >> >>> >> >>> Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as >> Valve >> >>> has >> >>> something to announce. >> >>> >> >>> -Richard Eid >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Flubber wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D >> >>>> >> >>>> 2011/6/24 Octo >> >>>> >> >>>>> I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly >> >>>>> after >> >>>> >> >>>> a >> >>>>> >> >>>>> super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is >> there >> >>>> >> >>>> going >> >>>>> >> >>>>> to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can >> >>>> >> >>>> create? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ___ >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
Yes, we end up just using ip bans as well it's the only way to get rid of them for the most part. Most ip's can change quickly though. Also ip ban is not always best as well. Yet iptables does a good job at it. > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 01:34:52 +0200 > From: anakin...@gmail.com > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and > griefers? > > There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since months (I > know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is still > not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, and > they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it on my > servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account every time I > ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. > > I'm afraid these "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken > according to the F2P FAQ are totally useless. > > 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > > > You can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of > > them, it will detect some. > > > > http://dblocker.didrole.com/ > > > > > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > > > >> I would pay top dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice > >> chat and sprays for free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free > >> accounts from joining the server. I think there is already 1 plugin > >> that kicks them. > >> > >> * I will not pay any money for plugins, ever. > >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Matt wrote: > >> >> Besides the fact that VAC is crap and doesn't work for an inordinately > >> large > >> >> amount of cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the > >> bans in > >> >> our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC > >> ban, > >> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What about the > >> people > >> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while we attempt to keep > >> the > >> >> activity on our servers at least slightly above the retard line? > >> >> > >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to have to get together to > >> find a > >> >> way of identifying new ways to ban people based on what information it > >> is > >> >> possible to gather about a person's computer that is unique (or at > >> least > >> >> close enough to unique). > >> >> > >> >> --Matt > >> >> > >> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard Eid wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on something to > >> battle > >> >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try to track the patterns of > >> >>> people > >> >>> who start to do this, so the system can quickly recognize those same > >> >>> patterns in the future and be a little more proactive instead of > >> reactive. > >> >>> I think Steam Guard could help a little here, too. IP addresses can > >> >>> easily > >> >>> be changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is > >> tied > >> >>> to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your > >> server. > >> >>> People only have so many PCs they can use. > >> >>> > >> >>> Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as > >> Valve > >> >>> has > >> >>> something to announce. > >> >>> > >> >>> -Richard Eid > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Flubber wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D > >> >>>> > >> >>>> 2011/6/24 Octo > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly > >> >>>>> after > >> >>>> > >> >>>> a > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is > >> there > &
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
http://forums.alliedmods.net/showpost.php?p=1498002&postcount=2507 Simple as that, and dont be scared to be banning the wrong ones, cos the chance is quite low. > >From: AnAkIn . >To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > >Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2011, 1:34 >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and >griefers? > >There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since months (I >know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is still >not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, and >they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it on my >servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account every time I >ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. > >I'm afraid these "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken >according to the F2P FAQ are totally useless. > >2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > >> You can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of >> them, it will detect some. >> >> http://dblocker.didrole.com/ >> >> >> 2011/6/24 msleeper >> >>> I would pay top dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice >>> chat and sprays for free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free >>> accounts from joining the server. I think there is already 1 plugin >>> that kicks them. >>> >>> * I will not pay any money for plugins, ever. >>> >>> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Matt wrote: >>> >> Besides the fact that VAC is crap and doesn't work for an inordinately >>> large >>> >> amount of cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the >>> bans in >>> >> our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC >>> ban, >>> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What about the >>> people >>> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while we attempt to keep >>> the >>> >> activity on our servers at least slightly above the retard line? >>> >> >>> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to have to get together to >>> find a >>> >> way of identifying new ways to ban people based on what information it >>> is >>> >> possible to gather about a person's computer that is unique (or at >>> least >>> >> close enough to unique). >>> >> >>> >> --Matt >>> >> >>> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard Eid wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on something to >>> battle >>> >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try to track the patterns of >>> >>> people >>> >>> who start to do this, so the system can quickly recognize those same >>> >>> patterns in the future and be a little more proactive instead of >>> reactive. >>> >>> I think Steam Guard could help a little here, too. IP addresses can >>> >>> easily >>> >>> be changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is >>> tied >>> >>> to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your >>> server. >>> >>> People only have so many PCs they can use. >>> >>> >>> >>> Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as >>> Valve >>> >>> has >>> >>> something to announce. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Richard Eid >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Flubber wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 2011/6/24 Octo >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly >>> >>>>> after >>> >>>> >>> >>>> a >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is >>> there >>> >>>> >>> >>>> going >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>&
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
There is a very popular public cheat that people are using since months (I know some people who are using it since April - no VAC bans) and is still not VAC detected. I have already reported it to Valve few weeks ago, and they still haven't done anything. There are new people using it on my servers every day. One of them is creating a new steam account every time I ban him, he then comes back and start cheating again. I'm afraid these "infinite free accounts" measures that Valve has taken according to the F2P FAQ are totally useless. 2011/6/26 AnAkIn . > You can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of > them, it will detect some. > > http://dblocker.didrole.com/ > > > 2011/6/24 msleeper > >> I would pay top dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice >> chat and sprays for free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free >> accounts from joining the server. I think there is already 1 plugin >> that kicks them. >> >> * I will not pay any money for plugins, ever. >> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Matt wrote: >> >> Besides the fact that VAC is crap and doesn't work for an inordinately >> large >> >> amount of cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the >> bans in >> >> our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC >> ban, >> >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What about the >> people >> >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while we attempt to keep >> the >> >> activity on our servers at least slightly above the retard line? >> >> >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to have to get together to >> find a >> >> way of identifying new ways to ban people based on what information it >> is >> >> possible to gather about a person's computer that is unique (or at >> least >> >> close enough to unique). >> >> >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard Eid wrote: >> >>> >> >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on something to >> battle >> >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try to track the patterns of >> >>> people >> >>> who start to do this, so the system can quickly recognize those same >> >>> patterns in the future and be a little more proactive instead of >> reactive. >> >>> I think Steam Guard could help a little here, too. IP addresses can >> >>> easily >> >>> be changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is >> tied >> >>> to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your >> server. >> >>> People only have so many PCs they can use. >> >>> >> >>> Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as >> Valve >> >>> has >> >>> something to announce. >> >>> >> >>> -Richard Eid >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Flubber wrote: >> >>> >> You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D >> >> 2011/6/24 Octo >> >> > I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly >> > after >> >> a >> > >> > super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is >> there >> >> going >> > >> > to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can >> >> create? >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >>> ___ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Michelle Sleeper >> > http://www.ThinkingWithPortals.com/ >> > Portal 2 Mapping Community >> > >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > AnAkIn, > - > ESL EU TF2 Admin > http://www.esl.eu/eu/tf2 > > -- Best regards, AnAkIn, - ESL EU TF2 Admin http://www.esl.eu/eu/tf2 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
You can still use DBlocker against cheaters, even if it won't detect all of them, it will detect some. http://dblocker.didrole.com/ 2011/6/24 msleeper > I would pay top dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice > chat and sprays for free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free > accounts from joining the server. I think there is already 1 plugin > that kicks them. > > * I will not pay any money for plugins, ever. > > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Matt wrote: > >> Besides the fact that VAC is crap and doesn't work for an inordinately > large > >> amount of cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the > bans in > >> our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC > ban, > >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What about the > people > >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while we attempt to keep > the > >> activity on our servers at least slightly above the retard line? > >> > >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to have to get together to > find a > >> way of identifying new ways to ban people based on what information it > is > >> possible to gather about a person's computer that is unique (or at least > >> close enough to unique). > >> > >> --Matt > >> > >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard Eid wrote: > >>> > >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on something to battle > >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try to track the patterns of > >>> people > >>> who start to do this, so the system can quickly recognize those same > >>> patterns in the future and be a little more proactive instead of > reactive. > >>> I think Steam Guard could help a little here, too. IP addresses can > >>> easily > >>> be changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is > tied > >>> to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your server. > >>> People only have so many PCs they can use. > >>> > >>> Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as Valve > >>> has > >>> something to announce. > >>> > >>> -Richard Eid > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Flubber wrote: > >>> > You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D > > 2011/6/24 Octo > > > I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly > > after > > a > > > > super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is there > > going > > > > to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can > > create? > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>> ___ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Michelle Sleeper > > http://www.ThinkingWithPortals.com/ > > Portal 2 Mapping Community > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- Best regards, AnAkIn, - ESL EU TF2 Admin http://www.esl.eu/eu/tf2 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
I would pay top dollar* for a SM plugin that disables shit like voice chat and sprays for free accounts. Or a cvar that disallows free accounts from joining the server. I think there is already 1 plugin that kicks them. * I will not pay any money for plugins, ever. > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Matt wrote: >> Besides the fact that VAC is crap and doesn't work for an inordinately large >> amount of cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the bans in >> our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC ban, >> or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What about the people >> who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while we attempt to keep the >> activity on our servers at least slightly above the retard line? >> >> I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to have to get together to find a >> way of identifying new ways to ban people based on what information it is >> possible to gather about a person's computer that is unique (or at least >> close enough to unique). >> >> --Matt >> >> On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard Eid wrote: >>> >>> In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on something to battle >>> this. My guess is that they'll probably try to track the patterns of >>> people >>> who start to do this, so the system can quickly recognize those same >>> patterns in the future and be a little more proactive instead of reactive. >>> I think Steam Guard could help a little here, too. IP addresses can >>> easily >>> be changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is tied >>> to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your server. >>> People only have so many PCs they can use. >>> >>> Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as Valve >>> has >>> something to announce. >>> >>> -Richard Eid >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Flubber wrote: >>> You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D 2011/6/24 Octo > I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly > after a > > super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is there going > > to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can create? > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > > -- > Michelle Sleeper > http://www.ThinkingWithPortals.com/ > Portal 2 Mapping Community > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
Besides the fact that VAC is crap and doesn't work for an inordinately large amount of cheating/hacking we see on our servers, what about all the bans in our sourcebans database against griefers, who aren't eligible for a VAC ban, or the racist douchebags we permban on a daily basis? What about the people who spray porn and goatse all over our servers while we attempt to keep the activity on our servers at least slightly above the retard line? I guess the good sourcemod devs are going to have to get together to find a way of identifying new ways to ban people based on what information it is possible to gather about a person's computer that is unique (or at least close enough to unique). --Matt On 06/24/2011 01:30 AM, Richard Eid wrote: In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on something to battle this. My guess is that they'll probably try to track the patterns of people who start to do this, so the system can quickly recognize those same patterns in the future and be a little more proactive instead of reactive. I think Steam Guard could help a little here, too. IP addresses can easily be changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is tied to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your server. People only have so many PCs they can use. Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as Valve has something to announce. -Richard Eid On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Flubber wrote: You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D 2011/6/24 Octo I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly after a super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is there going to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can create? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
On 24/06/2011 11:05 AM, Octo wrote: I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly after a super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is there going to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can create? http://www.teamfortress.com/freetoplay/faq.php Bottom of the list. Q. Won't going Free to Play mean more griefers and cheaters? We're increasing our focus on making sure that hostile players can't ruin your fun. Specifically, we'll be keeping a close eye on players exploiting the ability to make infinite free accounts to bypass bans. We've built systems that'll allow us to measure and track what these players are doing, and respond quickly. Hopefully it's been tested better than the updates. :) Hope everyone has a great weekend. -- PryMaL email: pry...@geekout.info twitter: prymal81 blog: www.geekout.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
In the FAQ, Valve mentioned that they're working on something to battle this. My guess is that they'll probably try to track the patterns of people who start to do this, so the system can quickly recognize those same patterns in the future and be a little more proactive instead of reactive. I think Steam Guard could help a little here, too. IP addresses can easily be changed, new free accounts can be made, etc... But Steam Guard is tied to your PC so it could(maybe) be used to verify clients on your server. People only have so many PCs they can use. Either way, I'm sure we'll be filled in on the details as soon as Valve has something to announce. -Richard Eid On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Flubber wrote: > You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D > > 2011/6/24 Octo > > > I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly after > a > > super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is there > going > > to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can > create? > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
Doesn't VAC use delayed banning? So they'd be able to hack freely for 2~ weeks until having to create a new account? VAC3 is snake oil in this case. Kyle. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Flubber wrote: > You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D > > 2011/6/24 Octo > >> I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly after a >> super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is there going >> to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can create? >> >> >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
On 24/06/2011 11:05 AM, Octo wrote: I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly after a super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is there going to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can create? http://www.teamfortress.com/freetoplay/faq.php Bottom of the list. Q. Won't going Free to Play mean more griefers and cheaters? We're increasing our focus on making sure that hostile players can't ruin your fun. Specifically, we'll be keeping a close eye on players exploiting the ability to make infinite free accounts to bypass bans. We've built systems that'll allow us to measure and track what these players are doing, and respond quickly. Hopefully it's been tested better than the updates. :) Hope everyone has a great weekend. -- PryMaL email: pry...@geekout.info twitter: prymal81 blog: www.geekout.info ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
You keeding, we got VAC, the most powerful tools against cheating. :D 2011/6/24 Octo > I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly after a > super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is there going > to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can create? > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Free to Play - Infinite piles of cheaters and griefers?
I always felt like we saw a surge in cheaters and griefers directly after a super cheap sale of TF2. Now that TF2 has went Free to Play is there going to be anything to try to limit how many steam accounts a cheater can create? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
