Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-23 Thread James Tucker
providing you can deal with the electical and heat tension

On 6/23/05, Matt Donnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think the price performance ratio of the Athlon X2 64 might be better
  than going with Opterons.

 true, but you cant put two (or four, or eight) of those in the one chassis

 athlon X2 = current dual oppy
 dual-dual oppy = two dual oppys

 it all comes down to rack density and number crunching per RU


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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-23 Thread Matt Donnon

providing you can deal with the electical and heat tension


also true, but its still significantly lower than the Intel offerings.
Besides any chassis rated to take dual cores will have suitable cooling.
It just requires your rack to have likewise.

Matt


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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-23 Thread Clayton Macleod
amd's dual cores don't make any more heat than single cores, actually

On 6/23/05, Matt Donnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  providing you can deal with the electical and heat tension

 also true, but its still significantly lower than the Intel offerings.
 Besides any chassis rated to take dual cores will have suitable cooling.
 It just requires your rack to have likewise.

 Matt


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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-23 Thread Matt Donnon
 amd's dual cores don't make any more heat than single
 cores, actually

I dont know where you read that, but it is incorrect. AMD-DC
have a higher heat load than equlivalent clock AMD-SC.
Thankfully, its still lower than the Intel prescott single
core TDP (and DC as well) which to my mind makes them a very
easy choice as a server for almost any function.

Matt

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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-23 Thread Clayton Macleod
yeah, you're right and I stand corrected, 89 watts vs 110 watts. I
guess what I was thinking of was their heat output didn't prevent them
from going in any socket 939 board that's followed AMD's specs all
along. Because they still match earlier design specs in that regard.

On 6/23/05, Matt Donnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I dont know where you read that, but it is incorrect. AMD-DC
 have a higher heat load than equlivalent clock AMD-SC.
 Thankfully, its still lower than the Intel prescott single
 core TDP (and DC as well) which to my mind makes them a very
 easy choice as a server for almost any function.

 Matt


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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-23 Thread Matt Donnon
 yeah, you're right and I stand corrected, 89 watts vs 110
 watts. I guess what I was thinking of was their heat
 output didn't prevent them from going in any socket 939
 board that's followed AMD's specs all along. Because they
 still match earlier design specs in that regard.

heh, it still makes them an incrediably attractive option.
Quad CPU performance in a dual CPU chassis, space and
thermal design.
The price tag does offer a little bit of sticker shock, but
thats easily overcome when you look at the equlivalent
performance quad-cpu box.

I've got a pair of them sitting next to me, hopefully the
1ru chassis with a DC capable BIOS wll be turning up next
week. The BIOS in the current 1ru chassis is having a little
bit of a freakout at the extra cores ;-(

Matt

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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-23 Thread Ryan Burke

What model Opteron SC are you using currently? What model DC are you
upgrading to?

Ryan

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yeah, you're right and I stand corrected, 89 watts vs 110
watts. I guess what I was thinking of was their heat
output didn't prevent them from going in any socket 939
board that's followed AMD's specs all along. Because they
still match earlier design specs in that regard.


heh, it still makes them an incrediably attractive option.
Quad CPU performance in a dual CPU chassis, space and
thermal design.
The price tag does offer a little bit of sticker shock, but
thats easily overcome when you look at the equlivalent
performance quad-cpu box.

I've got a pair of them sitting next to me, hopefully the
1ru chassis with a DC capable BIOS wll be turning up next
week. The BIOS in the current 1ru chassis is having a little
bit of a freakout at the extra cores ;-(

Matt

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[hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-22 Thread Ryan burke
I think it is pretty obvious from past threads that at least most of this
mailing list agrees that Opterons are the processor of choice for hosting
any CS servers. But now with the emergence of the dual core Opterons does
anyone have any experience in a server hosting/admining way of how the
dual core Opterons handle? I know there is about a 3x price tag for a dual
core than of the same frequency single core, but would it be worth the
investment? Definately Opterons are, and especially the abiltiy to upgrade
to dual core without changing the motherboard. Any comments?

I hadn't seen any comments on this so I thought I'd throw it out there and
see what the server admins thought.

Ryan

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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-22 Thread Philip Koshy
This is something I am curious about myself. I am looking to build a
new CS server and I was thinking about getting a dual core machine.
The price however...ouch. I don't really expect many responses because
I doubt many game server providers can afford the stiff price tag.

On 6/22/05, Ryan burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think it is pretty obvious from past threads that at least most of this
 mailing list agrees that Opterons are the processor of choice for hosting
 any CS servers. But now with the emergence of the dual core Opterons does
 anyone have any experience in a server hosting/admining way of how the
 dual core Opterons handle? I know there is about a 3x price tag for a dual
 core than of the same frequency single core, but would it be worth the
 investment? Definately Opterons are, and especially the abiltiy to upgrade
 to dual core without changing the motherboard. Any comments?

 I hadn't seen any comments on this so I thought I'd throw it out there and
 see what the server admins thought.

 Ryan

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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-22 Thread Matt Donnon

I think it is pretty obvious from past threads that at least most of this
mailing list agrees that Opterons are the processor of choice for
hosting
any CS servers. But now with the emergence of the dual core Opterons
does
anyone have any experience in a server hosting/admining way of how the
dual core Opterons handle?


for all intents and purposes, dual-dual-cores handle like a quad-opteron
its compleatly and utterly brilliant
I'd suggest the DC can handle almost double the client numbers of the SC
procs (as long as you have the ram).

Matt


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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-22 Thread Sid Stuart

I think the price performance ratio of the Athlon X2 64 might be better
than going with Opterons.

Matt Donnon wrote:


I think it is pretty obvious from past threads that at least most of
this
mailing list agrees that Opterons are the processor of choice for
hosting
any CS servers. But now with the emergence of the dual core Opterons
does
anyone have any experience in a server hosting/admining way of how the
dual core Opterons handle?



for all intents and purposes, dual-dual-cores handle like a quad-opteron
its compleatly and utterly brilliant
I'd suggest the DC can handle almost double the client numbers of the SC
procs (as long as you have the ram).

Matt


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Re: [hlds_linux] Dual core Opteron Opinions?

2005-06-22 Thread Matt Donnon

I think the price performance ratio of the Athlon X2 64 might be better
than going with Opterons.


true, but you cant put two (or four, or eight) of those in the one chassis

athlon X2 = current dual oppy
dual-dual oppy = two dual oppys

it all comes down to rack density and number crunching per RU


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