Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
Steven Hartland wrote: If I've read the previous post 2min / 2 hours ago I don't want to have to scroll through it again to see the new content its just pointless. Obviously you have not understood another concept in good maillist behaviour. Only quote the sections you actually reply to. If you don't include eg 300 lines of nonrelevant text, there will be nothing for others to scroll through again. In this respect there is a big difference between how to post to a maillist and how write mail to eg a supportdepartment (in the latter it's often crucial that you toppost and include the full mails from all previous contacts as reference since it's not nessecarily the same person you are communicating with thoughout the contact). Some short guidelines Maillists: Bottompost minimal quoting Supportmail: Toppost full quoting Private email: Whatever you feel comfortable with since the person you are replying to likely knows what (s)he wrote you anyway. -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
Tony Di Schino wrote: The only (poor) excuse is ignorance. Netiquette rules were established by the earliest adopters, who tended to be on the leading edge of technology or academia. As time went on (and Mac users got on the internet :P), wider proliferation has lowered the common denominator and poluted the medium. You cannot fault those who are trying to (re)purify it. BINGO! As I said in an earlier post (The one i wrote previous to this) Such rules were written up in the very earlist forms of Electronic Mail (BBS Mail, and older) in order to cut costs on mail transfer... it just became good standard practice to continue to this day. Keeping these standards allows everyone to communicate effectively. -- DaiTengu Director, Website Development http://www.unitedadmins.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
Steven Hartland wrote: a bunch of inline bottom-posting See there? That's the way to write a clear email. Not just one big, amorphous blob of text hovering over the thread like a dark cloud, but inline quotes below the text to which you were referring. Good man! -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
You sir, are a retard. Come on then Jeremy what does RFC stand for :P Without your useless RFC's your little pc wouldnt be able to communicate with anyone anywhere. But then again, you dissapearing from the net wouldnt be all bad. And if you've never seen a pointless RFC you probably have never had to work with many. And yeah, theres pretty much an RFC for everything... even IPoN8 (IP over Number 8 fencing wire). Thanks for making my above point :P There are loads of great RFC's without which we wouldn't be here but there some which are; lets just say not so great. And from one of your links: If a person has to scroll down to read the new information, there are probably too much quotes in the article. Doesn't that mean we are arguing the same point, that having to scroll down is a bad thing so why do all the netiquette peps quote excessively. If you actually followed your own rules, including 72 col wrapping Mr Brooking, I wouldnt have to and this discussion would never have happened. So enough bickering we all want the same goal: Easy to read and follow threads. Oh and don't forget a hl server which can server 32 players on a Pentium 100 but I hear Value are working on that :D Steve / K ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
Tony Di Schino wrote: Not sure how this will look when posted as there are some over length lines :P Yahoo Mail owns me. I'll have to check options for 72 character lines... Of course this argument has been made several thousand times before... I'm not old school on the hlds_linux list. I guess i'm just trying to convince other newcomers and non-netiquette adopters to think beyond their little force field behind the monitor and keyboard. Most mail clients will auto-wrap if the line runs over... I use Mozilla/Netscape (until I switch back to kmail or Evolution) and it works just fine for wrapping/quoting ... I've even considered moving all my e-mail back to something as simple as Pine/Elm ... but I've grown too used to my GUI :) -- DaiTengu Director, Website Development http://www.unitedadmins.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 10:20, Eric (Deacon) wrote: Steven Hartland wrote: a bunch of inline bottom-posting See there? That's the way to write a clear email. Not just one big, amorphous blob of text hovering over the thread like a dark cloud, but inline quotes below the text to which you were referring. Good man! Funny how a few months ago you and I where having this same 'discussion'. Except then you sat on the other side of the fence :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
DaiTengu wrote: Most mail clients will auto-wrap if the line runs over... I use Mozilla/Netscape (until I switch back to kmail or Evolution) and it works just fine for wrapping/quoting ... I've even considered moving all my e-mail back to something as simple as Pine/Elm ... but I've grown too used to my GUI :) For those of you running Win32 OS's on your workstation, I just switched from being a long-time Outlook user (OutlookXP most recently) to Thunderbird, the Mozilla off-shoot that was mentioned earlier in this thread. Aside from the odd crash every now and then (only happened twice so far) and sometimes poor grouping of options and menus (which is easily learned with just a couple minutes of snooping around), I'm impressed. Seeing as how I don't use the other features of Outlook at home (Calendar, etc), this is a great choice, and it handles ALL these concerns beautifully :) http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/ -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 10:20, Steven Hartland wrote: Come on then Jeremy what does RFC stand for :P Really Fat Chicks Without your useless RFC's your little pc wouldnt be able to communicate with anyone anywhere. But then again, you dissapearing from the net wouldnt be all bad. And if you've never seen a pointless RFC you probably have never had to work with many. No experience what so ever. And yeah, theres pretty much an RFC for everything... even IPoN8 (IP over Number 8 fencing wire). Thanks for making my above point :P There are loads of great RFC's without which we wouldn't be here but there some which are; lets just say not so great. Simply because you dont have the need to use them, does not make them pointless. Regardless of how 'pointless' they may be, they are the accepted standard. Thats something youre just going to have to live with, agree or not. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
--- DaiTengu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most mail clients will auto-wrap if the line runs over... I just switched from 99 column to 72... now all of my old messages look like hell :o. Just as someone else commented that they learned something today from my earlier message, I learned that 72 column was the LCD for mail formatting... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
Jeremy Brooking wrote: Funny how a few months ago you and I where having this same 'discussion'. Except then you sat on the other side of the fence :P Actually not, unless you're referring, perhaps, to a very long time ago to a discussion I simply don't recall. I've been purposefully bottom and inline quoting for a long, long time (made much easier by Outlook-QuoteFix several months back). Of course, I occasionally top posted, but only by choice when I thought it was appropriate :P -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 10:32, Eric (Deacon) wrote: Jeremy Brooking wrote: Funny how a few months ago you and I where having this same 'discussion'. Except then you sat on the other side of the fence :P Actually not, unless you're referring, perhaps, to a very long time ago to a discussion I simply don't recall. I've been purposefully bottom and inline quoting for a long, long time (made much easier by Outlook-QuoteFix several months back). Of course, I occasionally top posted, but only by choice when I thought it was appropriate :P No, you got me wrong, wasnt saying you were the top posting. Just that your view was different regarding people who did back then. :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
No Jeremy, I do get it. The difference is I don't care. Nitpickers, you may include yourself among them, tend to focus on delivery instead of the message. Furthermore, they confuse guidelines for Law and behave as if it is the latter as opposed to the former. Personally, I think that the single biggest reason for resisting x-quette fanatics is the completely rude manner in which the point is brought up. Very rarely do I ever see the subject broached in a civil manner. I guarantee that if you treated people in real life they people are treated on these lists you'd be spitting blood and teeth. /me hands the clue stick back to Jeremy Innoc`JF - Original Message - From: Jeremy Brooking [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 04:59, Jedi wrote: And, Stefan, you're a perfect example of the tiresome nitpicking. Go buy a digital camera and take up photography or find some other hobby that brings you joy. Fact is, you understood perfectly what I said...but chose to nitpick. Oh look...another top-post. Get over it. You just dont get it do you? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
It really does amaze me that these OT threads about netiquette and whatnot get more readers and responses than ones that are relevant... That's cl. Insert some quote from something here, just to upset the purists. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting quoting
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 03:59:48PM -0700, Jedi wrote: I guarantee that if you treated people in real life they people are treated on these lists you'd be spitting blood and teeth. Ha. Nah, he'd just have no mates... probably spend too much time talking to people on a mailling list arguing about how to post to it. Guys, lighten up. -- James. p.s. top posting is for satanists. p.p.s. eric the deacon sux. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
