Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 14 March 2003 08:06, Mad Scientist wrote: I gave up on Gentoo. For some reason, the install failed trying to load the network card driver (a very early stage of the install). It was the right module and everything, but for some reason, it just wouldn't load. After a full day trying to figure it out, I through in the towel. Mandrake, FreeBSD, and even, God forbid, Windows, all loaded with no problems on the same box so I figure why waste my time on something that isn't ready for prime time. I had enough tinkering with finicky drivers in my Slackware days almost 10 years ago and I wasn't in the mood to re-live my university years. Especially since modern operating systems should be able to detect and load everything automatically. :-/ You completely missed what i was pointing out didnt you.. yep.. you did. My remark was in relation to the claims of Slackware being as pure as linux can get which is simply a false, misleading statement since its far from as pure as linux can get. Why you feel the need to try and discredit my remark with something which is nowhere related at all to what i pointed out is beyond me but may make sense to you in some mysterious ways. - -- Yours Sincerely Thomas Juberg Stensås - -- What we do in life echoes in eternity -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+cZPEm5JSuDogRncRAot4AJ9H6kAQGa/lXs6UVOayn7MjnorWQgCdF1TO cCTVcbUG8o6zYlS620FrhgQ= =5x9k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
Andy Hodges wrote: I just find it funny that one person hasn't said, Well I use name here distro because ... or, I use FreeBSD because... Instead I keep getting messages about a Phantom search button. Probably becuse a whole bunch of us we have already done the I have name here before, and the quickest way for you to get a lot of input from a lot of people would be to find that phantom search button :) But if you prefer here is mine I use Gentoo, becuse when it comes to keeping your updated with the latest software, no other dist makes it as simple (things like reinstall for new version package conflicts are unheard off). Stil you almost have the same controll over your syststem as if you would be doing a LFS. And ease of use is on RH levels. -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
--Original Message- -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mad -Scientist -Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:06 AM -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? - - -Thomas J. Stensås said: - You really havent heard of things like LFS (Linux From Scratch) or - Gentoo have you? =P - -I gave up on Gentoo. For some reason, the install failed trying to load -the network card driver (a very early stage of the install). It was the -right module and everything, but for some reason, it just wouldn't load. -After a full day trying to figure it out, I through in the towel. -Mandrake, FreeBSD, and even, God forbid, Windows, all loaded with no -problems on the same box so I figure why waste my time on something that -isn't ready for prime time. I had enough tinkering with finicky drivers in -my Slackware days almost 10 years ago and I wasn't in the mood to re-live -my university years. Especially since modern operating systems should be -able to detect and load everything automatically. :-/ Well, I will w/o a doubt agree that gentoo has had its hiccups. hell, its a brand spanking new distro. I would not put it on an uptime important server yet that my job depended on. But I can see that happening in the future. I do agree, that its hardware detection isn't perfect (yet) I've had acpi scsi problems, ive had nic problems, and others all w/ different results depending on which version of install iso I used. But its gotten a hell of a lot better in a short period of time. Ive fixed all of them within a few minutes to an hour. A quick search through their forums, or post to their user email list has never failed me if I couldn't immediately fix it. I love gentoo. Its intelligent, fast, lean, mean, and its potential is through the roof. They took all the best aspects of other Free software, and started from scratch. And its still getting better. The latest 1.4 rc3 install cd is really good. All they need, is a front end (option)that can script a lot of the shit that can get tedious. Although I love that its so hands on, allowing you to make a personal choice for every aspect. just my 2 cents. kev ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
Oscar N aka 'Dreadful' wrote: hmm, how do you get the following to search? :P Not sure what you mean. What I meant is tehre isn't a way (that I know of) to search the archives like the Search function in any forum. Sure you can go look at the archives and do some sorting. But it takes a long time to find stuff sometimes if it was discussed a while ago. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
m0gely wrote: Not sure what you mean. What I meant is tehre isn't a way (that I know of) to search the archives like the Search function in any forum. Bah, that should have read: There isn't a way I know of... -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
Andy Hodges wrote: I just find it funny that one person hasn't said, Well I use name here distro because ... or, I use FreeBSD because... Instead I keep getting messages about a Phantom search button. LOL! You have been on this list long enough to see a thread like this 2 or 3 times? Run what your comfy with, use the 2.4.9 kernel, and don't run it as root. Any flavor of Linux or *bsd with Linux compat runs hlds servers just fine. Security and stabilty reside with you and the hardware you choose. I use FreeBSD because it was what I chose at the time. And once I learn something, I like to stick with it so that I really know it. No matter what reason I give beyond that, someone will refute it. Certain distro's may have there good points over others, but for hlds and other games, I don't think it matters. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
I would love to hear some reasons why some people think the 2.4.9 kernel was better? kev --Original Message- -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of m0gely -Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:08 PM -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? - - -Andy Hodges wrote: - I just find it funny that one person hasn't said, Well I use -name here - distro because ... or, I use FreeBSD because... - - Instead I keep getting messages about a Phantom search button. - - LOL! - -You have been on this list long enough to see a thread like this -2 or 3 times? Run what your comfy with, use the 2.4.9 kernel, -and don't run it as root. Any flavor of Linux or *bsd with Linux -compat runs hlds servers just fine. Security and stabilty reside -with you and the hardware you choose. - -I use FreeBSD because it was what I chose at the time. And once -I learn something, I like to stick with it so that I really know -it. No matter what reason I give beyond that, someone will -refute it. Certain distro's may have there good points over -others, but for hlds and other games, I don't think it matters. - --- -- m0gely -http://quake2.telestream.com/ -Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike - -___ -To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list -archives, please visit: -http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
Testing. I've tested several of the 2.4.18x kernels, and performance was abysmal in comparison. Never put down any numbers, but it was so evident that I'd have to say at least a 30-40% change. The main gains showed, for me at least, when running multiple servers per machine. - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? I would love to hear some reasons why some people think the 2.4.9 kernel was better? kev --Original Message- -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of m0gely -Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:08 PM -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? - - -Andy Hodges wrote: - I just find it funny that one person hasn't said, Well I use -name here - distro because ... or, I use FreeBSD because... - - Instead I keep getting messages about a Phantom search button. - - LOL! - -You have been on this list long enough to see a thread like this -2 or 3 times? Run what your comfy with, use the 2.4.9 kernel, -and don't run it as root. Any flavor of Linux or *bsd with Linux -compat runs hlds servers just fine. Security and stabilty reside -with you and the hardware you choose. - -I use FreeBSD because it was what I chose at the time. And once -I learn something, I like to stick with it so that I really know -it. No matter what reason I give beyond that, someone will -refute it. Certain distro's may have there good points over -others, but for hlds and other games, I don't think it matters. - --- -- m0gely -http://quake2.telestream.com/ -Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike - -___ -To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list -archives, please visit: -http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
smp? vanilla kernel, redhat kernel? kev --Original Message- -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DLinkOZ -Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:59 PM -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? - - -Testing. I've tested several of the 2.4.18x kernels, and performance was -abysmal in comparison. Never put down any numbers, but it was so evident -that I'd have to say at least a 30-40% change. The main gains showed, for -me at least, when running multiple servers per machine. - - -- Original Message - -From: Kevin J. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:54 PM -Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? - - - I would love to hear some reasons why some people think the 2.4.9 kernel -was - better? - - kev - - --Original Message- - -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of m0gely - -Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:08 PM - -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? - - - - - -Andy Hodges wrote: - - I just find it funny that one person hasn't said, Well I use - -name here - - distro because ... or, I use FreeBSD because... - - - - Instead I keep getting messages about a Phantom search button. - - - - LOL! - - - -You have been on this list long enough to see a thread like this - -2 or 3 times? Run what your comfy with, use the 2.4.9 kernel, - -and don't run it as root. Any flavor of Linux or *bsd with Linux - -compat runs hlds servers just fine. Security and stabilty reside - -with you and the hardware you choose. - - - -I use FreeBSD because it was what I chose at the time. And once - -I learn something, I like to stick with it so that I really know - -it. No matter what reason I give beyond that, someone will - -refute it. Certain distro's may have there good points over - -others, but for hlds and other games, I don't think it matters. - - - --- - -- m0gely - -http://quake2.telestream.com/ - -Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike - - - -___ - -To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list - -archives, please visit: - -http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - - ___ - To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, -please visit: - http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - - - - -___ -To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list -archives, please visit: -http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
Both smp Intel and single cpu, both AMD and Intel. Using Redhat kernels. - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? smp? vanilla kernel, redhat kernel? kev --Original Message- -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DLinkOZ -Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:59 PM -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? - - -Testing. I've tested several of the 2.4.18x kernels, and performance was -abysmal in comparison. Never put down any numbers, but it was so evident -that I'd have to say at least a 30-40% change. The main gains showed, for -me at least, when running multiple servers per machine. - - -- Original Message - -From: Kevin J. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:54 PM -Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? - - - I would love to hear some reasons why some people think the 2.4.9 kernel -was - better? - - kev - - --Original Message- - -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of m0gely - -Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:08 PM - -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor? - - - - - -Andy Hodges wrote: - - I just find it funny that one person hasn't said, Well I use - -name here - - distro because ... or, I use FreeBSD because... - - - - Instead I keep getting messages about a Phantom search button. - - - - LOL! - - - -You have been on this list long enough to see a thread like this - -2 or 3 times? Run what your comfy with, use the 2.4.9 kernel, - -and don't run it as root. Any flavor of Linux or *bsd with Linux - -compat runs hlds servers just fine. Security and stabilty reside - -with you and the hardware you choose. - - - -I use FreeBSD because it was what I chose at the time. And once - -I learn something, I like to stick with it so that I really know - -it. No matter what reason I give beyond that, someone will - -refute it. Certain distro's may have there good points over - -others, but for hlds and other games, I don't think it matters. - - - --- - -- m0gely - -http://quake2.telestream.com/ - -Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike - - - -___ - -To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list - -archives, please visit: - -http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - - ___ - To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, -please visit: - http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux - - - - -___ -To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list -archives, please visit: -http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] What Linux Flavor?
I would love to hear some reasons why some people think the 2.4.9 kernel was better? I'm guessing so, yes. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
