Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
/me blushes - you're right! Sorry. I got confused from another thread. My bad. - Original Message - From: "Clayton Macleod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers heh. You re-read the thread. I'm following it just fine, sorry you're having trouble. Anyways, you said "Cutting down the ability for folks to create cheats around the new valve engine?" What exactly does removing the menu API that everyone was using do to curtail cheating? And how exactly was leaving it in promoting cheating? On 5/21/05, Britt Priddy (PZ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That made alot of sense. Please explain. Re-read the thread. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
heh. You re-read the thread. I'm following it just fine, sorry you're having trouble. Anyways, you said "Cutting down the ability for folks to create cheats around the new valve engine?" What exactly does removing the menu API that everyone was using do to curtail cheating? And how exactly was leaving it in promoting cheating? On 5/21/05, Britt Priddy (PZ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That made alot of sense. Please explain. > > Re-read the thread. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
That made alot of sense. Please explain. Re-read the thread. - Original Message - From: "Clayton Macleod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers I fail to see how providing menus that aren't cumbersome has anything to do with cheating. On 5/21/05, Britt Priddy (PZ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Fear that mods are better than the actual games provided by Valve? OR Cutting down the ability for folks to create cheats around the new valve engine? -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
I fail to see how providing menus that aren't cumbersome has anything to do with cheating. On 5/21/05, Britt Priddy (PZ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fear that mods are better than the actual games provided by Valve? > OR > Cutting down the ability for folks to create cheats around the new valve > engine? -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
Fear that mods are better than the actual games provided by Valve? OR Cutting down the ability for folks to create cheats around the new valve engine? - Original Message - From: "Michael McKoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers Personally I'd like to hear an official response. I've read a few hints of this in some emails in the past day.. However the dates on all my HLDS emails got messed up and came into my mail box out of sync this morning for some reason and I couldn't follow things. I'll check the webpage later, but I don't see how it would hurt for Alfred to comment, even if a simple No. Besides, SourceMOD has already developed a new Metamod: Source to help get around some of the restrictions they found with the built-in server plugin interface, so they can probably add in any features they need that VALVe doesn't supply or removes. I ask Bailopan later tonight about that. Read the list before posting something quite this silly, it is quite clear this in untrue. Steve / K - Original Message - From: "Frash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like a clarification. I heard rumours VALVe is actively bullying server plugin developers by removing random features from the engine. I saw there are complaints on the HLcoders and also the developing crew of the immensely popular SourceMod have covered a story about this. Some people even claim it's fully documented and not even a "hack". I find this hardly believable as it will break most plugins when the new update comes out, something that is not interesting for VALVe at all. So therefore, Id like to ask the VALVe side of this weird story. ===This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
Steven Hartland wrote: Fact is if you use undocumented "hacks" they there is no reason to complain when said things stop working. If you where using the documented menu methods then this problem wouldn't have occurred and if changes where made said API Im sure notice would be given. I'm still trying to find the post where Valve was bullying. I want to see a "do this or else" post. Or was someone getting a little too sensationalist? -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
Funny fact, you go to such sites as Mani's and you here all sorts of complaints against valve when Mani knew of said "hack" and was warned! Stop blaming valve :) Steven Hartland wrote: Fact is if you use undocumented "hacks" they there is no reason to complain when said things stop working. If you where using the documented menu methods then this problem wouldn't have occurred and if changes where made said API Im sure notice would be given. Steve / K - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those of you who would like to get the facts, read the thread beginning with this e-mail: http://www.mail-archive.com/hlcoders%40list.valvesoftware.com/msg12114.html This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
True, very well said ;) Regards Steven Hartland wrote: Fact is if you use undocumented "hacks" they there is no reason to complain when said things stop working. If you where using the documented menu methods then this problem wouldn't have occurred and if changes where made said API Im sure notice would be given. Steve / K - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those of you who would like to get the facts, read the thread beginning with this e-mail: http://www.mail-archive.com/hlcoders%40list.valvesoftware.com/msg12114.html This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
Fact is if you use undocumented "hacks" they there is no reason to complain when said things stop working. If you where using the documented menu methods then this problem wouldn't have occurred and if changes where made said API Im sure notice would be given. Steve / K - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those of you who would like to get the facts, read the thread beginning with this e-mail: http://www.mail-archive.com/hlcoders%40list.valvesoftware.com/msg12114.html This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
For those of you who would like to get the facts, read the thread beginning with this e-mail: http://www.mail-archive.com/hlcoders%40list.valvesoftware.com/msg12114.html -John Sheu mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
Personally I'd like to hear an official response. I've read a few hints of this in some emails in the past day.. However the dates on all my HLDS emails got messed up and came into my mail box out of sync this morning for some reason and I couldn't follow things. I'll check the webpage later, but I don't see how it would hurt for Alfred to comment, even if a simple No. Besides, SourceMOD has already developed a new Metamod: Source to help get around some of the restrictions they found with the built-in server plugin interface, so they can probably add in any features they need that VALVe doesn't supply or removes. I ask Bailopan later tonight about that. > Read the list before posting something quite this silly, > it is quite clear this in untrue. > > Steve / K > > - Original Message - > From: "Frash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'd like a clarification. I heard rumours VALVe is actively bullying > server plugin developers by removing random features from the engine. I > saw there are complaints on the HLcoders and also the developing crew of > the immensely popular SourceMod have covered a story about this. > Some people even claim it's fully documented and not even a "hack". > > I find this hardly believable as it will break most plugins when the new > update comes out, something that is not interesting for VALVe at all. So > therefore, Id like to ask the VALVe side of this weird story. > > > > ===This e.mail is private > and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to > whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is > prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it > or any information contained in it. > > In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission > please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Rumour: VALVe bullying server plugin developers
Read the list before posting something quite this silly, it is quite clear this in untrue. Steve / K - Original Message - From: "Frash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd like a clarification. I heard rumours VALVe is actively bullying server plugin developers by removing random features from the engine. I saw there are complaints on the HLcoders and also the developing crew of the immensely popular SourceMod have covered a story about this. Some people even claim it's fully documented and not even a "hack". I find this hardly believable as it will break most plugins when the new update comes out, something that is not interesting for VALVe at all. So therefore, Id like to ask the VALVe side of this weird story. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
