Re: [Hornlist] Re: Tuning and fingerings
This sounds really strange. I never heard peaple tuning with e1, at least here inEurope. But different countries, different modes. Wendell, you are absolutely right. But why dont they tune with the given "a1" from the piano, the oboe or so & tune their horn by playing the c2 (2nd space from top), concert f1 in the right relation ? Sounds like many "music executors" (not musicians) have not understood music itself. Hopping around more or less in rhythm, marching round while playing tunes more or less in or out of tune, running through challenging or not challenging pieces & hysterically giggling about a mistake committed by other players, is not fun & has nothing to do with music, but rather with more or less funny noise making. .. "Wendell Rider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > One of the most obvious and oft- committed tuning mistakes made today is to > tune to the bottom line E in the treble clef. > > -- > Wendell Rider > "Real World Horn Playing" is here, see > www.wendellworld.com > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] NHR - Colima Earthquake Aid
At 04:20 PM 01/25/03 -0600, Carlberg Jones wrote: . . . it was said that Greece gave USD $200,000 in earthquake aid to Colima, Japan gave $100,000, and the US gave $50,000. The relative amounts probably reflect empathetic familiarity with earthquakes rather than ability to pay. Jim ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Carlberg
Carlburg Jones, a frequent lister here is a horn teacher in Colima Mexico, the town that was hit by a violent earthquake last week. 26 were killed and 10,000 homes destroyed. Anyone heard from him? Leonard ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Band Arrangements
All, Post by J Buchholz prodded me to briefly check my collection of music. Have Mozart #1 arranged by L Sansone. Need to decide what to do with it. Noted I have Horn part for Mozart #2 arranged by LS. Need to search more to see if I have the band package. Will attempt to sift through modest paper music collection by & by & catalogue it. Then need to find home for collection other than to individuals. BTW, Johannes Finke will be at our home tomorrow through Mon. Loren Mayhew shipped me an Americus RB double that JF will take onto Boston. What a fabulous Horn. I'm not sure, but I think JF intends to visit Osmun. Should this Horn end up at Bob's, those of you in the area really need to give it a try. So many excellent threads lately that I just have not the time to chip in. Oh yeh. Cabbage really brightened my days lately. Enough. Take care. GN ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Tuning and fingerings
In a message dated 01/25/2003 5:42:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > One of the most obvious and oft- committed tuning mistakes made today is to > tune to the bottom line E in the treble clef. > Yes, although it is a good idea to tune that note if you are a woodwind. And never tune that note on the Bb side of the horn. It will always be sharp. Mike Scheimer, Pittsburgh ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Should I get my horn stripped?
The horn repair man at a music store close by recently suggested that I get the lacquer my horn stripped because he said it would give it a nicer sound quality. I have a silver-nickel King Eroica double horn with a detachable bell. I just want to know opinions before I make up my mind one way or another about doing this. Mike Scheimer, Pittsburgh ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Tuning
Sorry about my last message if it got through. My spellchecker went wild and sent the message before I was done. I was just going to comment on tuning to the concert A, our E, on the bottom line of the treble clef. This is a very flat harmonic on F horn. If you tune to this note you run the risk of having just about everything else sharp. If you try to tune the rest of your horn accordingly, the slides may end up in some really strange positions. This note is used as a tuning note by a lot of the low horn players in a section. Then they are playing sharp with the horns above them and creating all sorts of pitch problems. I agree with the idea that you should know your own intonation well enough to tune to almost any note, but I have met few players, especially young, inexperienced ones, who would qualify along these lines. The E above this can present problems too if that harmonic is out of tune on your horn. Most modern horns are pretty good on that harmonic but it is wide enough that it can be lipped over quite a range (and what is that 2nd valve slide tuned for, anyway?). Since most of us have to tune to this note (A) most of the time, we need a way to be sure we are tuning accurately. If you use the method of tuning all of your slides to be in a compromise position for multiple valve combinations, every note, even a single valve note, is slightly out of tune by definition. You make minute adjustments as you go. This was the method that Farkas promoted in his book and I think most people do tune this way. There are other ways to go, but it just shows that we all need to be aware of our pitch tendencies. The F horn is much more stable, and, in the middle to upper registers, has much smaller and less bendable slots for the notes. That is why I think it is advisable to start the tuning of your horn with the F side. You then need to learn to center the Bb notes where they belong because the slots for the notes are so big. If you have a note that uses a single valve fingering that is not "corrected" for multiple valve fingerings that you can relate to the tuning note by a perfect interval such as a fourth, fifth or octave, use that note. If not, you need to be very sure of your basic tuning of your horn and your ability to recreate pitches consistently so that you "know" you are in the ballpark. Anyway, there is a lot more to this, but enough for now. See you all in Indiana. Glad you are OK Carlberg! -- Wendell Rider "Real World Horn Playing" is here, see www.wendellworld.com ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Tuning and fingerings
One of the most obvious and oft- committed tuning mistakes made today is to tune to the bottom line E in the treble clef. -- Wendell Rider "Real World Horn Playing" is here, see www.wendellworld.com ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] NHR - Colima Earthquake Aid
Dear Horn Listers - Colima Earthquake Aid In one part or another of the paper edition of today's Diario de Colima - http://www.diariodecolima.com/ (their web edition may not have this information) - it was said that Greece gave USD $200,000 in earthquake aid to Colima, Japan gave $100,000, and the US gave $50,000. I think it is generous of other countries to provide aid. Carlberg Jones Carlberg Jones Colima, Col., Mexico Tel. 001-52-312-330-3531 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] horn solo with band
Yes, but dumbed down for beginning band. Herb Foster --- John McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't that a transcription of 4:33 by Cage? > > Prof.Hans Pizka wrote: > > You could tell the band director, the easiest piece would be "Silence" > composed by Minute Intermission, scored for conductor solo. > > . > > > > "joseph fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > >> I have been approached about soloing with the > >>concert band at Henderson state university and i would > >>appreciate any suggestions you have on pieces to > >>perform. The only limitation is that the director > >>would like a relatively easy arrangement for the band. > >>Thank you for any help you can give. > >> > >>Joseph Fuller > >> __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] tuning & fingering
Dear Klaus, there are some wrong statements in your letter. The doubling of several notes in the Vienna Classic occurred, as the lower octave of the main note did not exist, even not in a useable quality. Next: Mendelssohn could count on horn players, who allready used early valved instruments, so capable of all notes, more or less. The valved horn made its way to the orchestra players very quickly, even some schools used them for a quick change of tonalities only. The hand horn techniques was still in use. The WAM (Mozart) 447 question is just a composer thing, not a thing related to playing technique. Flattening the bb (7th partial, flat allready) to a1 requires a very light movement of the bell hand. The Beethoven no.9 solo is nothing very special for a skilled hand horn player. Even it was written during the advent f the valves horn. Even your suggestions are very good, I would not suggest to play all these pieces on instrumehts of that epoque, as it too often results to a terrible howling & squeaking. One hopefully not misunderstood statement according to observations: many period instrument ensembles (but a few excellent ones !) are composed by players, who were not successful with the modern instruments, colleagues who did never pass any audition successfully. This is not a false statement, but the truth. I said above, that there are exceptions, but very few, exceptions as superb ensembles, but very very few. "Klaus Bjerre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Of course low grade amateurs should know their place, but when Hans makes > his report on his observations at the audition for a fairly high grade pro > job, then I yet would like to ask a question: > > How many young horn players understand the nature of their instrument as it > is based on the natural horn with its own logic of note selections and pitch > tendencies? > > Why does it happen, that both horns in Vienna classic and early romantic > music are written to play the top line F in unisono? Because for players > with a less developed hand technique, that was the first note, that > represented the root of the subdominant. I have seen this often, but > remember specifically one place in Mendelssohn's violin concerto. > etc. -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
I had both eyes done(cataract removal and lens implants) one when I was fifty and the other 3 years ago ( when I was 55. I have not seen so well in my life. I now use glasses only for very close and driving. It took 15 minutes however the 2 experiences were slightly different . The 2nd operation the recovery was longer but I also started playing horn again after a layoff of 25 years. Can't guarantee this will happen but it did give life a new perspective. Paul Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 1/25/03 11:38:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight > > In a message dated 1/25/2003 6:16:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > Don't get me started on percussion players, or for that matter trumpet > > players > > on afterbeats! It may be that I'm so used to blurry vision, that I can tell > > who > > the conductor's looking at. YMMV. I'm getting those cataracts out this > > spring. > > > > Herb > > > > Hi Herb, > > Good luck with the bionic eye job. My lens implant > took less than :15 and was completely painless. Yes, > no kidding, LESS than 15 minutes. I was legally blind > in the right eye and now it's better than the left. I was > encouraged to do it because of a thread on this hornlist. > Someone gave an account of how easy it was and how > it completely changes their vision and several other listers > jumped in with "me too". I had been putting it off because > I had seen an operation on a medical channel where they were > performing a lens implant the old way by taking the eyeball > apart and sewing it back together again. > > If anyone on the list has been putting off a lens implant for > any reason, I would strongly suggest that you talk to a good > eye doctor about it. . 15 minutes ... no pain the > paperwork takes longer and is more painful !! > > Regards, Jerry in Kansas City > > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] tuning & fingering
"Prof.Hans Pizka" wrote: You might have a different horn in your hands once a while. How to handle thiongs then ? Truly, for all of us students, this was a total non-issue. We were glad to have any horn in our hands, particularly good ones. If our horn had to spend a few days in the shop, we didn't play till we got it back! I know that professionals have to have plenty of backup equipment and be ready to use it at a moment's notice. Mr. Olson's point was that the horn player isn't always in control of the situation, and that a good player manages to play in tune no matter what. I'll add, unequivocally, that he practiced what he preached: If you ever heard Orrin Olson play out of tune, you have quite a story to tell. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] again more Long Calls
There are two new historic LONG CALLS & one Short Call on my page: New York 1937, Buenos Aires 1947 (short), Bayreuth 1956 (Heinz Lohan) www.pizka.de/sigfrid.htm -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] tuning & fingering
My answer is NO to both of your questions. "Carlberg Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Greetings, Prof. Pizka - > > Were the auditioning horn candidates in tune with the piano on their > concert e-flat after they tuned up? > > Did they play the Mozart in tune? > > Thank you very much. > > Regards, > > Carlberg > > > At 6:35 AM + 1/25/03, Prof.Hans Pizka wrote: > >When they tuned their horn to the piano (for Mozart no.4), they used > >concert e-flat (our written b-flat - middle line) without exception. > > > Carlberg Jones > Colima, Col., Mexico > Tel. 001-52-312-330-3531 > > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] tuning & fingering
If the guys can hear the intervals that good, using the played concert "f" as a center point, fine. But most people have difficulties with the clean intervals and fine tuning. So my advise was for the easiest way. And it does not depend on how good you know your horn. You might have a different horn in your hands once a while. How to handle thiongs then ? : > Orrin Olson, my teacher at the U. of Md., now retired, said that > we should known our horns and our playing well enough that we > could tune up using whatever note was given: A, B-flat, F-sharp, > anything. However, he never advocated tuning for a performance > using anything but concert A or F unless we didn't have a choice > (e.g., the Md. band always used B-flat as its tuning note). > > Howard Sanner > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] strange behaviour NHR
Last ten days, I was in Thailand including the northern city Chiangmai. Ooops, I forgot, that I can communicate in Thai & understand even more & my wife is Thai (married since 1971). Last Sunday we visited the night market & took one of the samlors (mini truck converted into commuter taxi) & sat on the two benches back on the mini truck. There were two young man of oriental origin. They talked & I noticed they were talking in Hebrew. They had lost their way home to their hotel. I told my wife, speaking Thai, that they were two Israelians. Well, I told them in English, I would help´m finding back to the hotel, changed my seat, to sit with the driver. As we stopped at the right hotel, the two young men asked for the fare. The driver asked them for 20 Baht (just 50 cents) each, but the one of them gave him just a 20 Baht bill & walked away smiling. I was really upset. But the driver just said : "Khon judaio !" (I think I dont have to translate, or better I do: "Jewish men !"). I think, such behaviour is not a good reputation, as it falls back to their compatriots, spoiling the picture of their whole nation, many of them such arrogant, that even the rain will fall streight into their nose. But it was much worse, even I got known it after my wife told me later about. When I switched my place to sit with the driver, these two young men tried to talk to my wife, perhaps they though she were just one of these hostesses ... But what they said to my wife, would have converted me into berserk if I had heard it. They, perhaps suspecting me as German according to a sticker on a handbag - I dont remember, while I am Austrian. Instead of being thankful, getting help to find home, they said, they hate all Germans as they were all nazi. If I had heard that, they would have received a lesson they would never forget in their life. Just yelling few words in Thai to the next policeman, - and the police officers rubber stick would have played the game between their legs. A lesson they would never forget ever. But I didn´t. It is ashaming, that these kind of tourists spoil the picture of other tourists from their country. But anyway, I noticed the behaviour of these kind tourists from this little country in the Near East, how they behave while shopping: like blood-suckers. Even if they just talk Jiddish, I can understand them. It is ashaming. I would sink into the ground for shame. But the elderly from Israel are different: very hard working people, friendly, generous, liberal, forgiving. The younger generation is educated in a mere fascist system of politics, discriminating everyone who is not on their sides, not only discriminating but condemning. Fortunately I can watch both parties via satellite TV. But they are not alone. The tourists from former USSR are not better, rather worse. Watch them at the breakfast or evening buffet. They triple load their plates - nothing to say against this, except it does not look nice (!!!), but for the second & third round they do the same, but not for eating, but just throwing the food below their table. The service personel cannot complain nothing, as they need the guest to frequent the restaurants or hotels. There are tourists also from Arab countries. You should see, how modest they behave, a bit loud, well, but honest. Also no complaints about Italians or Spaniards. And finally, American tourists. They are really good guests, spending a lot, but also behaving nicely, not throwing money around, very curious about the food (mixing crazy things together but never complaing about the resulting crazy taste !). Well, sometimes needing a short admonition, that they were on a sacred place, but quickly responding with a nice smile or gesture & respectful behave in the place. Just some experience from recent travel (and the same observations as all the years before). -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] horn solo with band
Pittsurg Mike suggested a solo piece Marceau de Concert (I think I butchered the spelling) I'll say you did. the correct spelling is "Mozart's Horn Concerto No. 3." Gotta go, Cabbage ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] A helpful suggestion
Joseph F wrote I have been approached about soloing with the concert band at Henderson state university and i would appreciate any suggestions you have on pieces to perform. I think t would be helpful to choose a piece for solo horn and band. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Bad eye site
Greg C wrote If by "those people who test eyes for Lens Crafters in the mall" you mean the other staff at the store, then you are probably right. They don't test your vision much more than the people at the DMV do. Always have your eyes examined by someone with a diploma and state board certificate on the wall. Hey, what if you can't see well enough to tell if those are real certificates or drawings by some lens-grinder's cute five-year-old? Gotta go, Cabbage ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] tuning & fingering
"Prof.Hans Pizka" wrote: > > When they tuned their horn to the piano (for Mozart no.4), they used concert e-flat >(our written b-flat - middle line) without exception. Are their teachers & they >"band-banded" completely ? How can I tune an instrument by using a valve altered note >instead of using the best pitched open not, the best pitched for both sides, the >concert "F" or our written "c2", second space from top. But using this not to be >played as an interval to the given concert "a" by the piano. And after that adjusting >the slides accordingly. Orrin Olson, my teacher at the U. of Md., now retired, said that we should known our horns and our playing well enough that we could tune up using whatever note was given: A, B-flat, F-sharp, anything. However, he never advocated tuning for a performance using anything but concert A or F unless we didn't have a choice (e.g., the Md. band always used B-flat as its tuning note). Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] amateur Horn Players in Boston MA
At 07:13 AM 1/25/03 -0600, Carlberg Jones wrote: >Obviously they use double or triple horns. Mabe they rcord some of teh >prats to. I fear the ground must still be shaking. John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] amateur Horn Players in Boston MA
In a message dated 1/25/2003 5:08:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Wow! You guys must be good to get a total of 2 or 3 people to cover the > Dauprat Sextet!! ;-) > > Bob Dickow > Hi Bob, ... no problem, double horns ... two lips ... do the math ... Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
In a message dated 1/25/2003 2:26:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I bought vari-focal glasses so that I could see the music clearly through > the > lower section and the conductor clearly through the upper. I don't use > them > to play (if I remember to bring my other pair). > > I found that sight reading especially was difficult because there was some > fall-off in clarity towards the outer edge of the lenses and I couldn't see > > both the start and end of a line clearly. Although the notes were okay, > sharps and naturals were difficult to distinguish. > > When I remember to take them I now use a single focus lens medium distance > pair when I play - this means that the music, although not perfectly clear > anywhwere is at least readable over all the page and the antics of the chap > > at the front are visible. > > When I have my eyes tested, tests are done at reading and general distance > but also at music stand distance. > > All the best, > > Lawrence > Hi Lawrence, I went through the same process. The vari-focal and the single focus lens did not work for me. I settled on the standard bifocal lens. It is possible to have the ENTIRE lower part of the lens made to the focal length required for the music. In that way you do not have to move your head to see the entire sheet of music and the entire sheet of music is in focus. I had the lower part made as big as they could make it. The upper part of the lens is set to infinity and allows me to see the conductors eyes which I found through trial and error was a necessity. Anyway, that's my experience with this issue ... others' mileage may vary. Regards,Jerry in Kansas City ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
In a message dated 1/25/2003 6:16:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Don't get me started on percussion players, or for that matter trumpet > players > on afterbeats! It may be that I'm so used to blurry vision, that I can tell > who > the conductor's looking at. YMMV. I'm getting those cataracts out this > spring. > > Herb > Hi Herb, Good luck with the bionic eye job. My lens implant took less than :15 and was completely painless. Yes, no kidding, LESS than 15 minutes. I was legally blind in the right eye and now it's better than the left. I was encouraged to do it because of a thread on this hornlist. Someone gave an account of how easy it was and how it completely changes their vision and several other listers jumped in with "me too". I had been putting it off because I had seen an operation on a medical channel where they were performing a lens implant the old way by taking the eyeball apart and sewing it back together again. If anyone on the list has been putting off a lens implant for any reason, I would strongly suggest that you talk to a good eye doctor about it. . 15 minutes ... no pain the paperwork takes longer and is more painful !! Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Solo for Horn and Band
If you want to try a classical type piece for Band and Horn there is the "French Horn Concerto No. 1 Op. 412" moved to Eb (originally in D). Mozart's piece arranged by Lorenzo Sansone published by Sansone Musical Instruments Inc New York Copyright 1950. To see how it might play on the horn, play the whole piece up a 1/2 step in Bb rather than A key for horn and see how it lies. * I read the old post about playing a single Bb Yamaha 322 and now looking for a double horn. My opinion is that maybe you get better results if you don't get the bigger horns such as Conn 8D or the Yamaha copys such as the 668 and now the newer horn they have which has shared tuning. I think that the so called "smaller" horns (smaller bells etc.) are under-appreciated. Where I live the bigger-is-better thought prevails. I also finally decided that what I was doing with my Bb single horn was "counterproductive". I was playing the same band pieces,one week on the Bb single and the next week on my double believing it would help my overall playing.I believe now you get better results practicing when you play different music and not the same pieces i.e. small group chamber music with the Bb single, large sound music with the Conn 8D. If you play the same music there is always that question in your mind of what horn do I have in my hands;what you try to eliminate as a musician is indecision such as what is the fingering---it should be instinctive. On my single Bb King student grade 3 valve instrument plus stopping valve I love the tone (the other members of the group do also). But I also love the greater choices of tonal colors on the double. *** As to Hans's question some students believe that when they pay good money to a teacher or professional for lessions, that if the teacher says play top line F on the Bb side it must be "carved in stone" and you leave your burnt offering behind when you leave the lesson room. I know many of the horn players I meet locally still believe that the Bb side is to be used for all notes over 2nd line G. Unfortunately the art form of playing horn has been reduced to techique form science. I have a fellow horn player who takes out his metric measuring stick to determine how far out to pull his six slides to the valves. I might add that all his slides EXCEPT the main tuning slides are almost off the instrument. So much for technique science. But we have given up on him to change his ways---once you get to age 50 you alone know best is his logical position. Maybe, just maybe there might be an opening in a Munich opera orchestra for him and then he will leave our group and be some other person's worry. jim buchholz ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] tuning & fingering
Greetings, Prof. Pizka - Were the auditioning horn candidates in tune with the piano on their concert e-flat after they tuned up? Did they play the Mozart in tune? Thank you very much. Regards, Carlberg At 6:35 AM + 1/25/03, Prof.Hans Pizka wrote: >When they tuned their horn to the piano (for Mozart no.4), they used >concert e-flat (our written b-flat - middle line) without exception. Carlberg Jones Colima, Col., Mexico Tel. 001-52-312-330-3531 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Muted notes in the Gleire concerto
Hi, everyone! For Solo and Ensemble for all the high schools in my district, I am playing the Gliere concerto, the third movement. I want to earn the highest rating, and so details count. There are muted passages in it- not very much, just small phrases; for those of you who have played it, you know exactly what I mean. Well, the go from open to muted immedately, so it leaves no time to pop a mute into my bell. So, do you think I could stop the notes instead? I've already practiced it stopped. Do you think it might cost me arating? Thanks in advance, Brittany Davies, from Fort Myers, Florida ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] tuning & fingering
Of course low grade amateurs should know their place, but when Hans makes his report on his observations at the audition for a fairly high grade pro job, then I yet would like to ask a question: How many young horn players understand the nature of their instrument as it is based on the natural horn with its own logic of note selections and pitch tendencies? Why does it happen, that both horns in Vienna classic and early romantic music are written to play the top line F in unisono? Because for players with a less developed hand technique, that was the first note, that represented the root of the subdominant. I have seen this often, but remember specifically one place in Mendelssohn's violin concerto. Why does the soloist in KV447 not end the 2nd movement on the root in the key of Ab? Because that would have had the soloist ending on the top line F. Which would not have allowed WAM to take the tension out out of the music at the end of that movement. Whereafter he of course starts with a full tension contrast in the 3rd movement. The 447 is written before the Mendelssohn, but still it utilises a wider palette of notes. Gottlieb (yes, that is WAM also) had a soloist at his hand, who knew of a developed Hampelian hand technique, whereas Felix could not count on orchestral horn players being able to much more hand tuning, than lowering the 11th partial sufficiently to be bearable. A level of technique, that already Bach could utilise in BB1. Felix could not expect the subdominant represented by a minor sixth, where the 2nd horn could play the second space A by flattening the 7th partial a semitone. Wolfgang uses it all the way in 447. Beethoven must have known an expert player to perform the 3rd movement 4th horn solo of his 9th on natural horn. It is one of the more daring samples of writing just prior to the introduction of the valve horn. I have had the good fortune to play 2nd in Brahms 2. The opening duet clearly is conceived for hand horn. Of course I played the written B natural with 2+3 on the F side. But it would have been possible to lower that note with the right hand, as I have huge hands even compared to the bell of my Conn 28D. And in the Br2 opening I played all of the D major chord on my 3rd finger except for the written E, that I played 1+2 to avoid too much flatness. Is the name of the older British horn book author Moorley-Pegge? You would know to whom I refer to anyway. He writes that the modern practise of the double horn masks the deliberate use of the characteristic timbres of the different partials of the natural horn that the older composers employed. As I hear some modern players, they strive to make the horn a very egal and smooth wind driven synthesizer. Weren't the 5th and 10th partials slightly flat, the 9th bright and a shade sharp, the flattened or sharpened 11th a note that stood out by being dull or harsh depending of the type of stopping? And so on for all notes? In most modern horn playing the classic repertory is played on horns, that are shorter, than those of the original performance. Together with the generally larger bores and in some cases together with the on-the-leg playing that accounts for a darker, smoother, and more blending sound, that is desired in many orchestras. I do not say, that this concept is wrong, but wouldn't at least the horn players themselves, if not they listeners, have a richer understanding of pre-atonal music, if they were acquainted with the hand horn tradition, that was very much present in the mind of composers and original players of this music? Of course I have overstepped my competencies violently, but still this is a representation of some of the thinking the horn inspires me to. Klaus ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] horn solo with band
Isn't that a transcription of 4:33 by Cage? Prof.Hans Pizka wrote: You could tell the band director, the easiest piece would be "Silence" composed by Minute Intermission, scored for conductor solo. . "joseph fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: I have been approached about soloing with the concert band at Henderson state university and i would appreciate any suggestions you have on pieces to perform. The only limitation is that the director would like a relatively easy arrangement for the band. Thank you for any help you can give. Joseph Fuller __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
Don't get me started on percussion players, or for that matter trumpet players on afterbeats! It may be that I'm so used to blurry vision, that I can tell who the conductor's looking at. YMMV. I'm getting those cataracts out this spring. Herb --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/24/2003 5:57:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Assuming that the vision problem can be corrected by glasses, bifocals are > > not > > necessary, and you can save the cost. If the corrected vision focuses on > > the > > music (about 28 inches), the conductor can still be seen clearly enough to > > follow perfectly. Who wants to see the conductor in perfect focus and gory > > detail, anyway? Slightly fuzzy may be preferable... > > > > Herb Foster > > > > Hi Herb, > > I tried the single focus lens thing and was able > to see the blurred conductor but I could not see > his eyes clearly enough to tell if he was looking > at me. I now wear a special bifocal music lens > that focuses on the music AND the conductor. > I can now tell if he is giving me > (rather than the bassoon player) the cue. > > Been there, done that and got the bifocals ... > and the T-shirt. IMHO, having to see the conductor > clearly is just part of the price one has to pay to > play in an orchestra. . if percussion players > could just keep time to the music we wouldn't need a > conductor !! > > Regards, Jerry in Kansas City > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] amateur Horn Players in Boston MA
come on you people. hehehehe, enough fun :) yeas I made a mistake... My intentions are to get a small group to start some trios and if we can get some more people the expand to some bigger music. My goal would be the sextet ( did I spell it right now?) has anyone played the Dauprat sextet? I have a recording and it seems almost imposible because of the range anyway, I'm gla you guys had a laugh :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Nelson was talking about "Dauprat Sextect", whatever this might be, not about Dauprat Sextet. ... "Robert Dickow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: Wow! You guys must be good to get a total of 2 or 3 people to cover the Dauprat Sextet!! ;-) Bob Dickow - Original Message - From: "Nelson Velez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello. I am looking for 1 or 2 horn players ( amateur) to get together and play reicha trios and dauprat sextect. I have acces to a comunity center in Waltham MA and we can perform in some meetings. anyone interested please reply. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] amateur Horn Players in Boston MA
But Nelson was talking about "Dauprat Sextect", whatever this might be, not about Dauprat Sextet. ... "Robert Dickow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Wow! You guys must be good to get a total of 2 or 3 people to cover the > Dauprat Sextet!! ;-) > > Bob Dickow > > - Original Message - > From: "Nelson Velez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Hello. I am looking for 1 or 2 horn players ( amateur) to get together > > and play reicha trios and dauprat sextect. I have acces to a comunity > > center in Waltham MA and we can perform in some meetings. anyone > > interested please reply. > > > > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] amateur Horn Players in Boston MA
At 2:21 AM -0800 1/25/03, Robert Dickow wrote: >Wow! You guys must be good to get a total of 2 or 3 people to cover the >Dauprat Sextet!! ;-) Obviously they use double or triple horns. Mabe they rcord some of teh prats to. Carlberg Jones Colima, Col., Mexico Tel. 001-52-312-330-3531 ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] tuning & fingering
Back in Munich after a short vacation in Thailand (with my wife, - not what you think !), to take a deep breath before our new Goetterdaemmerung production with Mehta, I just jumped back in my duty. Arrived Thursday night, but back to work Friday morning audition for solo oboe, early afternoon with pre-audition for our today´s audition for assistant (we call it deputy solohorn) first horn (60% first - without assistant, off course - 40% third & Wagnertuba), evening with "A Midsummer-night Dream" ballet, with wonderful high-romantic music by Mendelssohn, The second act beginning with the famous "Nocturno". It went all very well, even I had not played the horn for ten days. But, well, it was hard & I had to invest all reserves to get through. Now I am warmed up again. There were some observations while listening to the candidates. But first I might express, that I am a bit confused, why students, invited to a great chance for a real audition, did not show up or cancel their participation. Why, the hell, do they apply for an invitation, if they get "cold feet" as soon as the invitation arrives. That´s wasting our time, off course. Next: the few, who appeared - think it is a + - 65.000.- job - seemed well preparede, but according to their level, not to our level. It was still student level. Are they or their teachers too blue eyed, perhaps ? When they tuned their horn to the piano (for Mozart no.4), they used concert e-flat (our written b-flat - middle line) without exception. Are their teachers & they "band-banded" completely ? How can I tune an instrument by using a valve altered note instead of using the best pitched open not, the best pitched for both sides, the concert "F" or our written "c2", second space from top. But using this not to be played as an interval to the given concert "a" by the piano. And after that adjusting the slides accordingly. I asked the candidates after all was over, if they never have been tought this way. Never they were. And never they had found out this way by themselves. Are we living in such a poor musical world now. What kind of teachers did they have ? Better not to tell about these well known names. It is disappointing, really. And their use of the Bb-horn open f2 (first line from top). Well, some horns allow that this note remains in tune just so-so. But how about later in the Mozart no.4 concert or in the Strauss no.1 during the 2nd round ? If one gets tired at least a bit ? The f2 flattens, right ? But why not using Bb+1, the first valve, so the note will be executed as the 9th step of the note scale provided by the physics. And this note (commonly notated as d2 - 2nd line from top) - is relatively (just a hair) sharp & compensates for the stress related flatness. When I told this the best candidate, he asked me: "on the F-side ?" - and was very surprised, when I said: "No, on the Bb-side !". He had never heard or tried that the f2 works perfect with the 1st valve on the F-horn as well on the Bb-horn. The use of the F-side was reduced to the mere g1 (third line from top) with the funny result, that even the "echo passage" in the first movement of Mozart no.4 - you remember the played notes g (upbeat 1/4), 1/2 g, b-nat.- g - b-nat - g (all 1/8) - c - g (all 1/8) - g (1/4) - resulted in funny thumb actions, as they played just g on the F-side. All candidates, who were from 5 different countries, had their horn as Bb-/F doubles instead of (much better) F/Bb. I just wonder about their teachers, I wonder very much about their thoughtless teaching, about their shameless stubbornity. They talk a lot - and often too much - about breath & breath & breath aigain, but forget the most important things. When did any teacher talk about phrasing things like a viola player ? Just using the bow hand, the bow movement as a guide for "naturality" ? When did their teachers talk about "finding the easiest way of playing" (where you can play with the minimum effort to create the maximum effect), so the players can concentrate themselves to security, tone quality, expression, style (no ranking) ? This leaves many questions open, many hurting questions for their teachers. And finally, are these candidates so much depending on their teachers, that they never try to become independent through their own "discoveries" ? I hope very much, todays candidates (just eleven out of 20 invited will hopefully present themselves to the jury) will be of higher level. Just back in shape, greetings from early morning in Munich (7:30) Hans -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus c
Re: [Hornlist] horn solo with band
I have an arrangement of Victor Monti's famous Csardas for solo horn and band. The band part is playable by high school players (I know because I soloed it once myself with a HS band) You can listen to it on my website, BTW. The horn part is not easy, though I sort of hack my way through it ok. ;-) http://www.uidaho.edu/~dickow/hornsmp.html It is available on rental from Thompson Edition. Robert Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music University of Idaho - Original Message - From: "joseph fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: [Hornlist] horn solo with band >I have been approached about soloing with the > concert band at Henderson state university and i would > appreciate any suggestions you have on pieces to > perform. The only limitation is that the director > would like a relatively easy arrangement for the band. > Thank you for any help you can give. > > Joseph Fuller > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] amateur Horn Players in Boston MA
Wow! You guys must be good to get a total of 2 or 3 people to cover the Dauprat Sextet!! ;-) Bob Dickow - Original Message - From: "Nelson Velez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello. I am looking for 1 or 2 horn players ( amateur) to get together > and play reicha trios and dauprat sextect. I have acces to a comunity > center in Waltham MA and we can perform in some meetings. anyone > interested please reply. > ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Bad eye sight
Most of the suggestions and comments that I've read so far would be very useful to a player whose vision could be improved by eyeglass changes. But for the player who originally asked about vision-impaired musicians, I think he could obtain better advice by contacting an organization that deals directly with vision problems. That type of group is much more familiar with devices that might help, work counseling, etc. There are numerous musicians who are severely vision-impaired, but the ones that I know about work in small groups, or as soloists - so they can thoroughly memorize their music. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] horn solo with band
You could tell the band director, the easiest piece would be "Silence" composed by Minute Intermission, scored for conductor solo. . "joseph fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >I have been approached about soloing with the > concert band at Henderson state university and i would > appreciate any suggestions you have on pieces to > perform. The only limitation is that the director > would like a relatively easy arrangement for the band. > Thank you for any help you can give. > > Joseph Fuller > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
I bought vari-focal glasses so that I could see the music clearly through the lower section and the conductor clearly through the upper. I don't use them to play (if I remember to bring my other pair). I found that sight reading especially was difficult because there was some fall-off in clarity towards the outer edge of the lenses and I couldn't see both the start and end of a line clearly. Although the notes were okay, sharps and naturals were difficult to distinguish. When I remember to take them I now use a single focus lens medium distance pair when I play - this means that the music, although not perfectly clear anywhwere is at least readable over all the page and the antics of the chap at the front are visible. When I have my eyes tested, tests are done at reading and general distance but also at music stand distance. All the best, Lawrence ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
