[Hornlist] Re: Horn Repair Ethics
> > Meanwhile, that "Carl Beyer" horn on eBay (Item # > 2507014258 ) looks like > it's actually marked Carl Geyer, Chicago. OK, presuming the horn on ebay is a real Geyer, I have an ethical question to present to this list. Should this Geyer, even if it happens to be an import with Geyer's name on it, be left in its current state, or should the horn be "salvaged" in order to provide a decent bell for a Geyer double that has a damaged bell? The same might be said of the lead pipe, various braces, etc. At what point should an instrument of historic value be taken apart in order to keep other historic instruments working? It looks as if this ebay Geyer is still functional, but how much use would a single F/Eb horn get vs a Geyer single Bb or a Geyer double? Ignoring any conflicts of taper, bore, etc., should this F horn be sacraficed to keep the more highly played Bb's and doubles working? Any thoughts, especially from persons in the repair business, would be appreciated. Wilbert in SC ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Repair Ethics
> > Meanwhile, that "Carl Beyer" horn on eBay (Item # > 2507014258 ) looks like > it's actually marked Carl Geyer, Chicago. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Carl Beyer on Ebay
Watch out also for any horns you might see marked Walker Laughton, G.C. Kahn, Yamamoto, Holson Focus, Poxmann, Kyung, Gebr. Alexandre, Mirrofone, Lidel, McCrickman, Oldes, Pizzaka, Salmer, Krispie, Getzon, Karl Fischman, Jupitor, Ortiz, Bock, Queenon, Yamati, Knapf, Reynalds, S.W. Louis, Rauck, Winstan, Potterson, Serafinov, Fink, Shmidd, Callison, Rouax-Millereaux, Adkinson, Zeeter Otto, etc. You can't be too careful. Meanwhile, that "Carl Beyer" horn on eBay (Item # 2507014258 ) looks like it's actually marked Carl Geyer, Chicago. It also looks like it's a regular plain old single horn in F, not a "double sided French horn," although the way it's shown it has its Eb slide inserted. The F slide shown in the case right in front of the bell opening does not make it a "double sided" horn, whatever that concept is supposed to mean. Speaking of eBay, check out the "Matt Stevens" new double horn (Item # 2506614175). It looks like it might really be a Czech-made horn by Josef Lidl -- a decent instrument, especially at the eBay asking price ($649). Caveat emptor, however. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~~ At 06:46 PM 2/8/2003 -0600, you wrote: There is a Carl Beyer, Chicago single horn on Ebay. This worries me. I trust the current sellers but over the last few years I have seen several "CARL BEYER" horns listed for sale. Are they all just misreading the logo or did someone in the 40s or 50s sell counterfeit Geyers? Leonard B. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Carl Beyer on Ebay
There is a Carl Beyer, Chicago single horn on Ebay. This worries me. I trust the current sellers but over the last few years I have seen several "CARL BEYER" horns listed for sale. Are they all just misreading the logo or did someone in the 40s or 50s sell counterfeit Geyers? Leonard B. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Arf arf noch einmal
Hans P wrote: The Nocturno is less taxiing, much less. and I answered: Yeah, but neither piece is as taxiing as An American in Paris. Then after I gotta went, Walter L groaned: GROAN If you were a goose Cabbage, you could honk out the parts... ** Hey Walt, these parts give me no trouble. After all I'm not goose Cabbage, I'm Taxi Cabbage! Gotta go, Cabbage ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] A nice trio sonata
I just stumbled on another fine trio sonata that works well for two horns
and bass - a bassoon will probably sound better than cello (or a 3rd
horn!) here, and a piano playing basso continuo will fill it out, but can
be omitted.
It is:
Telemann Triosonata in G Major for 2 flutes or 2 violins, published by
Amadeus, BP 2281
The notes say that it is #1 in a series of 6 Trio Sonatas titled "6 Trii a
Violini e Basso". That may help to distinguish it from other Telemann
sonatas in G major.
There are lots of noodly 16th note passages, a lyrical slow movement, and
it all fits well within horn range (highest note is a2) for both flute
parts. As I like to say, there are many concerti for two horns - they
just don't mention horn on the cover, so we have to find them on our own.
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Re: [Hornlist] Francis Hellstein
> > On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Anne Megenity wrote: > > > Believe he was first chair in the Detroit Symphony in the 40s. Funny, he's come up again... I did tape an interview with Joseph Skrzynski, Robert C. Jones, and Harold Hall from the DSO. They talked about Hellstein as having been a hockey player, and that he held his golf club like a hockey stick and had a weird swing. What none of them agree on, however, is how to spell "Hellstein." I have "Halstein," "Helstien," and "Helstein." Anyone have an authoritative print source? I want the transcript to be correct. This interview was to gather some anecdotal information about tubist Oscar LaGasse' for a memorial article. Carole Nowicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Advice,please
Anne, the thumb valve might be "frozen" due to accidentally screwing the valve cap too tight or by an accidental shift of the bearing plate. Remove back screw, lose valve cap just a quarter or half turn, take chopstick or similar, place it on the middle of the wing of the valve mechanism (the wing sitting on the axis), knock just a bit with a little hammer, to losen the valve or the cap, It works in most cases. If not yet, well, take the valve apart & set the valve properly again, the bearing plate at the right marking, so it stays even with the spindle. Avoid any force. Rescrew the valve cap but just to close it without force. The valve should work. In the future: if this happen again, why running for the spare horn. Use the horn as it is, just the F-side or just the Bb-side. Should work except the low C (Bb-horn). Greetings Hans .. "Anne Megenity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > Just getting ready to go to orchestra rehearsal,so was going to warm up a > bit on my Merker horn (which I like alot) and good thing I did,as the thumb > valve appears frozen in place. Never a problem before, and it is greased and > oiled about every other day..no problem yesterday whatsoever. Lucky I have > a backup horn,which I haven't used in months...help! I don't want to force > the valve,plus it would likely break the string. > TIA, Anne Megenity > > > > _ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Re: Advice,please
To diagnose a 'stuck valve', first you need to determine whether it is really the valve that is stuck, or the key mechanism. I suggest that you check in this way - 1) With your finger tips, gently grasp the 'swing arm' on the valve and try to move it a little bit. If the swing arm moves, then the valve itself is ok, and the problem is with the key mechanism. 2) Inspect the parts of the key mechaism to see if anything looks out-of-place. Compare the position of the various parts of the stuck valve to those of a valve that work. Check that there are not any missing screws, that the string is wound correctly, and that the arms are not wedged against anything. 3) If any attempt was made to adjust the valve by moving the bearing plate under the valve cap, then perhaps the bearing is too tight against the spindle and is binding it. This might also happen if you tried to install some type of 'magic disk' under the valve cap. If the above inspection does not reveal an easy & obvious fix, then take the horn to a reliable repair person. Do not attempt to 'force' anything. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA -- Anne Megenity writes: Just getting ready to go to orchestra rehearsal,so was going to warm up a bit on my Merker horn (which I like alot) and good thing I did,as the thumb valve appears frozen in place. Never a problem before, and it is greased and oiled about every other day..no problem yesterday whatsoever. Lucky I have a backup horn,which I haven't used in months...help! I don't want to force the valve,plus it would likely break the string. TIA, Anne Megenity ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Advice,please
Just getting ready to go to orchestra rehearsal,so was going to warm up a bit on my Merker horn (which I like alot) and good thing I did,as the thumb valve appears frozen in place. Never a problem before, and it is greased and oiled about every other day..no problem yesterday whatsoever. Lucky I have a backup horn,which I haven't used in months...help! I don't want to force the valve,plus it would likely break the string. TIA, Anne Megenity _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
