Re: [Hornlist] mozart 2
What does your music history teacher expect by ten pages analysis of Mozart no.2 concerto ? As a musical analysis of an "occasional work" (as are all horn concertos by Mozart anyway) would cover not more than one page, if at all (exposition - used natural harmonics, used "manipulated notes" - development - recapitulation - cadenca & similar but less material about 2nd % 3rd mov.), the only things you could write about: three pages blah-blah about the horns history, other two or three pages about the hand horn techique (difficult to assemble more text on this matter) and a list of performers ibcluding the different metronom, perhaps a long list of books with text about the horn. Sources: Heinrich Domnich: Method for Horn, Hans Pizka: Mozart & the Horn (get through interloan from e.g. Pierpont Mogan Library N.Y.), The Horn Call, Mozart Jahrbuch, Freiberg: The Horn (from Hohe Schule der Musik). Screw your teacher about his silly attempt to screw you. All this things are done over & over & over in the same way & are useless absolutely. It is just wasting time, wasting your time, as I am sure, you could do much better with your time. The music history teacher simply was too lazy to think more about what you could write about. e.g. the importance of the horn in the early development of the Woodwind Quintet Music. e.g. the change of the role of the horn in the brass- or Wind-Band. Good luck for your project. .. "joseph fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > I am doing a ten page form analysis of the mozart 2. > My teacher (music history) asked if I could get at > least five sources ,other than the piece, for the > paper. Does any body have any suggestionson where to > find some sources on the mozart 2 analysis. > thank you. > > joseph fuller > henderson state university > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at >http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] A nice trio sonata
David:
I'd like to try this trio sonata you mentioned - my
students love to play duets, and my wife and I are
both keyboardists as well. I tried to find the sonata
you mentioned but couldn't - could you provide a URL
to the specific site? Sorry for the inconveniece. If
you have any other trio sonatas which work well, let
us know. Thanks for your sharing of horn-related info;
much better than all the political junk going on
lately.
Thanks, Scott Pappal
--- David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just stumbled on another fine trio sonata that
> works well for two horns
> and bass - a bassoon will probably sound better than
> cello (or a 3rd
> horn!) here, and a piano playing basso continuo will
> fill it out, but can
> be omitted.
>
> It is:
>
> Telemann Triosonata in G Major for 2 flutes or 2
> violins, published by
> Amadeus, BP 2281
>
> The notes say that it is #1 in a series of 6 Trio
> Sonatas titled "6 Trii a
> Violini e Basso". That may help to distinguish it
> from other Telemann
> sonatas in G major.
>
> There are lots of noodly 16th note passages, a
> lyrical slow movement, and
> it all fits well within horn range (highest note is
> a2) for both flute
> parts. As I like to say, there are many concerti
> for two horns - they
> just don't mention horn on the cover, so we have to
> find them on our own.
>
>
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> { Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
>{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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[Hornlist] Uploaded: Horn trio - Canzona Villanesca
The most recent upload is a short Italian renaissance dance: Canzona Villanesca, a tititle that would translate into something like Village song. the file size is 54 KB. It can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/files/Canzona%20villanesca%20Hor n-4.pdf or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/files/ At the latter page you can find a number of my arrangements. As copyright is now a much bigger theme than it was decades ago, the selection offered only represents a fraction of my production. Below here you will find the foreword to the Canzona Villanesca. Enjoy! Klaus PS: All applicants have identified themselves by now. That is nice. There seems to be a problem for people, that do not like Yahoo. I will solve that problem as soon as I can afford a commercial site holding 400+ MB (and still counting). Sadly that is not likely to happen anytime soon. Canzona Villanesca by Tomaso Cimello (Venezia 1545) edited by Klaus Bjerre for 3 horns in F This is a small three part Italian Renaissance tune in the style of a village song. Nothing pretentious, but beautiful enough to be given as a presentation of a section of a quartet, while the 1st horn or a soloing member takes a short break. The opinion of the present editor is, that this tune with its varying meters comes out of a local dance tradition. An interpretation, that lies behind the articulations, which have been added. The dynamics are entirely by this editor. They have been added to support a declamatory performance. The original has 4 verses of text. The number of repeats, if any, is left to the discretion of the performers. In a context with other ensembles variations in instrumentation through the repetition of verses are an obvious option. No parts are provided, only a score. There are four more scores for various combinations of instruments, all in the same key, but with various clefs and transpositions applied to the three parts. All scores can be used simultaneously for ensemble performances, if the balance between the three parts is taken into careful consideration. There is an all concert bass clef score. To be played by any combination of bass clef instruments. In a brass contexts that could be 3 trombones, 3 euphoniums, or the top of a tuba quartet, 2 euphoniums and a bass tuba. There is a score for horn in F, trombone, and tuba as found as the bottom three fifths of a brass quintet. There is an all treble clef score for Eb alto horn, Bb baritone/Bb euphonium, and Eb tuba as found as the conical brass core in a British style brass band. Plus an all treble clef score for the Bb tenor range instruments of the brass band. And then there of course are all the lower pitched clarinets, the bassoons, and the saxophones, that might find a part to play from. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns
Kipp: On that type of budget, you could take a look at: Yamaha 567 (Should be around $1575 through NAMM) Conn 8D, 9D, 10D, or 11D (Without the cut bell, you could find these as low as around $2200.) I would not advocate the cheaper horns such as Jupiter or any of the Chinese models - they're just not worth it, and they won't hold up to everyday public school wear-and-tear. Holton horns are not for me, the sound is way too trombonish, and the quality control of the valves is terrible. These are just my recommendations. Scott --- Kipp Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi List, > I was approached today by my band director. He > wanted advice about what kind of horn to buy for the > school. He has about $2000 (maybe a little more) > set > aside to get a horn, and doesn't know much about the > market right now. This is for a high school band. > Currently they have two Holton 179s and three yamaha > marching horns. All five of those horns are around > 30 > years old. Any advice is welcome. Thanks in > Advance! > -Kipp Johnson > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns
Hi List, I was approached today by my band director. He wanted advice about what kind of horn to buy for the school. He has about $2000 (maybe a little more) set aside to get a horn, and doesn't know much about the market right now. This is for a high school band. Currently they have two Holton 179s and three yamaha marching horns. All five of those horns are around 30 years old. Any advice is welcome. Thanks in Advance! -Kipp Johnson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: recording rehearsals
Sorry, Jay, I understood it right that way. As a pro I must be more sensitive than others anyway. If there were big differences, they could never for an ensemble, but I have seen so many "individualists" recently even in big orchestras, that I began to doubt, if they really understood "ensemble spirit". "J. Kosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Perhaps the confusion is regarding the American (English?) idiom - > "not on the same page" > -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Schwanda
"Beej Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, subject: [Hornlist] Looking for parts Hi, I need to obtain the horn parts for the band version of Polka and Fuguefrom Schwanda. Can anyone offer suggestions of where I might be able to buy these parts? Somehow our band ended up with only 1 first horn part in Eb (none in F) and we don't have the money in our budget to buy another copy of the piece. I am not asking for illegal copies.. Beej, I would be most surprised if a retail store would have loose copies of the horn parts lying around available. The band score and parts are usually sold in complete packets, or scores can be purchased separately. Sometimes, however, you can order individual parts. I would try contacting Shattinger Music, one of the world's best sources for band music. Call 800-444-2408, or look on the web at www.shattingermusic.com. Jim Cochran knows the answer to absolutely EVERYTHING! If this fails, contact the current publisher, which might sell you individual parts. Hope it helps more than hurts, Brent Brent A. Shires, Instructor of Horn University of Central Arkansas: Conway, AR 72035 Phone: 501-450-5768 Fax: 501-450-5773 Web: http://www.uca.edu/divisions/academic/arts/music/faculty/bshires.htm 3rd Horn Arkansas Symphony Orchestra; Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp Horn Instructor; IHS Regional Workshop Coordinator & Arkansas Area Rep.; Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia Province 4 Governor ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Grand Conard
Well, this was not in peformace, but being a "born again horn player"
playing in a university wwq, I was at the school doing my "heavy" routine
some time ago. Part of it has me doing long tones starting on first line g
and then chromatically working my way one octave in each direction. I
decided one day to do this only on the F side of the horn. Right then,
start pp and then upto FF then back down. Simple enough... Top line F#
(chops already a bit tired), for lack of a better word, just exploded just
as I reached FF. Even the percussion studio downstairs stopped for about 20
seconds wondering what the heck that sound was... I think the flute player
next door just left...Oh well...
Olav ("Conard Club" member) in Montreal
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[Hornlist] Re: Grand Conard
Bob Dickow wants to know:
> Ok, everybody knows that in French a cracked note is often called a 'conard'
> ('duck'), right? Ok, describe the biggest 'conard' that you yourselves have
> either personally executed or witnessed in a performance, recorded, live,
> or
> otherwise
I don't know where to start, there are just so many and how do describe them
without using improper language?
KB
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Re: [Hornlist] One more Horn Quartet upload
Sorry for forgetting to give the links: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/files/ or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/files/All%20people%20that%20on%2 0earth%20do%20dwell%20for%20Horn%20%204-tet.pdf Klaus on 18.02.03 18:16, Klaus Bjerre at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One more upload for Horn Quartet, which will be presented by a full quote of > its preface at the end of this posting. Size is 94 KB. > > Like the Vivaldi upload there are a number of very challenging technical > aspects to this arrangement. The 4th horn part is partially much more > difficult than the Vivaldi setting. Whereas the 1st horn again is not taken > above G on top of the staff. > > As for accessing the files: > > You will, as previously told of, have to join a Yahoo group only open to > approved members. I will only approve applicants identifying themselves. > Sadly I already have a line-up of applicants only giving me odd anonymous > mail addresses. They will not be approved until they reveal their identity. > I have not rejected these addresses yet, as that will prevent them from ever > becoming members. But rejection will happen soon. Sorry if this sounds > harsh, but I feel no obligations towards anonymous persons. > > If you join the group you will find files involving the horn in woodwind and > brass 5-tet arrangements. > > Enjoy! > > Klaus > > > > All people that on earth do dwell > > Edited for Horn Quartet by Klaus Bjerre (2003) > > A collection of settings based on the theme known in English speaking > countries as ³All people that on earth do dwell². The titles coming out of > other countries are given in the respective languages. > > The two first settings have the melody allocated to the Tenor. The rest of > the settings have the melody in the top voice. > > The general aim of this editor has been to make settings, which will work in > a church plainsong context. As Preludes, Interludes, Postludes, and of > course together with the congregation plainsong, alone or combined with the > organ. One aspect of that aim can be found in the equivalent settings for > Woodwind Quintet and for Brass Quintet, to which latter has been added > optional parts for church ensembles, among them a part for organ. These > three quintet/ensemble settings are fully compatible in all musical > respects. But of course all mixed performances will call for extra attention > to balance problems. > > However this setting very well might be of interest in a plain horn quartet > context. There is the challenge of the two upper parts playing rhythmically > active parts over a Tenor (Playnsong) or cantus firmus solo in the lower > midrange and of a quite agile bass line in the last setting by J. S. Bach. > Again the 3 upper parts can be played on single horns, whereas the 4th horn > part must be played on a double horn or a 5 valve Bb horn as it descends to > written E in the pedal range of the Bb horn. The 1st horn does not exceed > the G on top of the staff. > > No parts are provided, as reading from the 4 parts score is very much a > tradition in the performance of this type of music. This also allows for the > swapping of parts between the 5 settings and even between repeats. > > This edition leaves matters like the sequence of the settings, the dynamics, > and the number of repetitions to the performers to be decided according to > the environment of the performance. > > This edition can be used free of any charge, but as usually a mail or a > postcard reporting on readings and performances will be very welcome. > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] One more Horn Quartet upload
One more upload for Horn Quartet, which will be presented by a full quote of its preface at the end of this posting. Size is 94 KB. Like the Vivaldi upload there are a number of very challenging technical aspects to this arrangement. The 4th horn part is partially much more difficult than the Vivaldi setting. Whereas the 1st horn again is not taken above G on top of the staff. As for accessing the files: You will, as previously told of, have to join a Yahoo group only open to approved members. I will only approve applicants identifying themselves. Sadly I already have a line-up of applicants only giving me odd anonymous mail addresses. They will not be approved until they reveal their identity. I have not rejected these addresses yet, as that will prevent them from ever becoming members. But rejection will happen soon. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I feel no obligations towards anonymous persons. If you join the group you will find files involving the horn in woodwind and brass 5-tet arrangements. Enjoy! Klaus All people that on earth do dwell Edited for Horn Quartet by Klaus Bjerre (2003) A collection of settings based on the theme known in English speaking countries as ³All people that on earth do dwell². The titles coming out of other countries are given in the respective languages. The two first settings have the melody allocated to the Tenor. The rest of the settings have the melody in the top voice. The general aim of this editor has been to make settings, which will work in a church plainsong context. As Preludes, Interludes, Postludes, and of course together with the congregation plainsong, alone or combined with the organ. One aspect of that aim can be found in the equivalent settings for Woodwind Quintet and for Brass Quintet, to which latter has been added optional parts for church ensembles, among them a part for organ. These three quintet/ensemble settings are fully compatible in all musical respects. But of course all mixed performances will call for extra attention to balance problems. However this setting very well might be of interest in a plain horn quartet context. There is the challenge of the two upper parts playing rhythmically active parts over a Tenor (Playnsong) or cantus firmus solo in the lower midrange and of a quite agile bass line in the last setting by J. S. Bach. Again the 3 upper parts can be played on single horns, whereas the 4th horn part must be played on a double horn or a 5 valve Bb horn as it descends to written E in the pedal range of the Bb horn. The 1st horn does not exceed the G on top of the staff. No parts are provided, as reading from the 4 parts score is very much a tradition in the performance of this type of music. This also allows for the swapping of parts between the 5 settings and even between repeats. This edition leaves matters like the sequence of the settings, the dynamics, and the number of repetitions to the performers to be decided according to the environment of the performance. This edition can be used free of any charge, but as usually a mail or a postcard reporting on readings and performances will be very welcome. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looking for parts
I would check the score and see who publishes it. Then try J.W. Pepper Music. They might have individual parts for sale. Here is Pepper's Web site www.jwpepper.com Good luck finding the parts. Walt Lewis At 04:53 PM 2/17/03 -0500, you wrote: Hi, I need to obtain the horn parts for the band version of Polka and Fugue from Schwanda. Can anyone offer suggestions of where I might be able to buy these parts? Somehow our band ended up with only 1 first horn part in Eb (none in F) and we don't have the money in our budget to buy another copy of the piece. I am not asking for illegal copies.. Thanks! Beej Goodwin ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/welewis%40myexcel.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/03 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: recording rehearsals
Perhaps the confusion is regarding the American (English?) idiom - "not on the same page" In this instance I think that Steve meant that the musicians have minor differences about phrasing, interpretation, etc. - not that the musicians have big differences, or lack of ability. Listening to a recording of the session might provide a better view of how all the parts are performned than is possible while actually playing. In any case, I really appreciate all of the constructive ideas and suggestions regarding my original question about 'quintet metronome' - I have read and saved them all, and will try using them. I have also found that reading (not playing) the part and analyzing the rhythms has been much more helpful to ME than sight-reading with the other players. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA --- At 06:54 AM 2/18/2003 GMT, you wrote: >Sorry, Steve, my bloodpressure is lower than most expect, otherwise I could not do Siegfried etc. And I am not yelling, as you suppose, when I say something absolutely true. I just wonder about the "very curious" advise often given by people who have zero ideas about real professional horn playing, - not just in the orchestra, but as soloist & in small high class ensembles. This all very politely said. I could go on the common level also, if desired ..you would wonder. And after that long exposure to all kind of holes with the baton or with horn or other instruments in hand I am still alive & able to show them how things should be. > >.. > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> Hans wrote: >> > You have quite strange views about the reality of a professional musicians = >> > life. If they are not on the same page, as you said, they can NEVER >> perform= >> > at that great level as Canadian or Empire Brass. AND FOR THE RECORDINGS. >> T= >> > HERE IS ALSO A PRODUCER; WHO CAN READ MUSIC AND UNDERSTAND MUSIC And there >> = >> > is a sound engineer . No need to work with tape & metronome, except >> be= >> > fore their very first recording, just to know about themselves. These >> peopl= >> > e are hardest professionals, and they became hardest professionals because >> = >> > of their ebormous musical & working discipline & their study background. >> >> OK, breathe slowly, that's good, just relax, now read Jack and Karen's >> replies. That's what I was talking about. And, try not to yell, it's bad >> for your blood pressure. >> -Steve Mumford >> ___ >> post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de >> > > >-- >Prof.Hans Pizka >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to >www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) >www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) >www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon > >mail is virus checked >___ >post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jkosta%40pronetisp.net > > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
